Regulatory Filing Confirms Samsung Will Copy Apple and Ditch Power Adapters

[I7guy]

It generally tends to be. That aside, whatever the reason, it seems like things have been going down a rabbit hole of sorts mostly spiraling coming back to the same things that have already been covered.

Exactly. And you know what they say about assumptions.

 

[Tech198]

Expected.. and many other company’s will follow, unfortunately.

Well, this just stinks..

Why does Apple always have to be the leader.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Someone who doesn’t take the Hippocratic Oath seriously?

And/or someone who complains about someone not taking the Hippocratic Oath seriously but cheers on when children are separated from their parents and put in cages.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Was just a matter of time. Seems like all Samsung can do is mimic.

See, that's the thing. They don't always do that. And when they don't mimic, their ideas are often excellent.

I've used Samsung phones (LOVE the Note series) since I got rid of my 4s (until now, when I'm getting a 12 Pro) due to them offering features and capabilities that Apple just didn't.

Sadly over the years, they've copied Apple more and more to the point where right now there was no reason for me to stay with them anymore. Apple both caught up feature-wise and Samsung removed the features (that I cared about) that differentiated them from Apple.

 

[31 Flavas]

Well, this just stinks..

Why does Apple always have to be the leader.

Uh... you know that there isn't any rules which says competitors needs to follow.... Maybe don't buy phones from the ones that do follow.

But, that's just me. Given everyone else's feedback about how genuinely upset they are. It seems silly that Samsung wouldn't just take the super easy win and permanently endear themselves by simply stating "We disagree with Apple's philosophy. And we want to make it abundantly clear without jokes or memes or mockery that not only we will *never* not pack-in, a no cost, CHARGER for your phone. But, it'll always be a fast charger, too."

Boom instant Apple toast.

I just doubt that anyone will actually disown Samsung over this (as many have said they will disown Apple over it).

 

[I7guy]

Uh... you know that there isn't any rules which says competitors needs to follow.... Maybe don't buy phones from the ones that do follow.

But, that's just me. Given everyone else's feedback about how genuinely upset they are. It seems silly that Samsung wouldn't just take the super easy win and permanently endear themselves by simply stating "We disagree with Apple's philosophy. And we want to make it abundantly clear without jokes or memes or mockery that not only we will *never* not pack-in, a no cost, CHARGER for your phone. But, it'll always be a fast charger, too."

Boom instant Apple toast.

I just doubt that anyone will actually disown Samsung over this (as many have said they will disown Apple over it).

You don't think Samsung wouldn't be next on the hit list of public, dirty e-wasters? "They" would be going after Samsung next and Samsung decided to head it off at the pass.

 

[repoman016]

Kuo: Apple to Launch 'Completely Wireless' iPhone Without Lightning Connector and 'iPhone SE 2 Plus' With Touch ID Power Button in 2021

Apple plans to launch a high-end iPhone without a Lightning connector in the second half of 2021, according to a new prediction from analyst Ming-Chi...

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So we have an analyst and a couple leakers saying it, but where does Apple fall into this?
What if my phone crapped out, and I need to put it in recovery mode?
I am so glad you asked...

Apple Developing Over-the-Air Recovery Feature for iOS Based on Code in iOS 13.4

Code in the iOS 13.4 beta released this morning suggests that Apple is developing an over-the-air recovery feature designed for the iPhone and the...

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So all Apple has to do is enable this wireless recovery mode, include a MagSafe puck in the box, and introduce an accessory to turn wired CarPlay into wireless CarPlay. This accessory‘s already exist, but Apple will just have to make a first party adapter.
And then boom!
Completely wireless iPhone.
I already have an idea of how they might market it as well.
More waterproof, more room for bigger speaker and battery, and more secure. Since there’s no more wire data transfer, there’s no chance of gray key or anything like that getting in your phone.

This is all great and I agree, I just think the 2021 timeline is too soon.

Kuo: Apple to Launch 'Completely Wireless' iPhone Without Lightning Connector and 'iPhone SE 2 Plus' With Touch ID Power Button in 2021

Apple plans to launch a high-end iPhone without a Lightning connector in the second half of 2021, according to a new prediction from analyst Ming-Chi...

www.macrumors.com

Leaker: Apple to Stick With Lightning Over USB-C for 'iPhone 12' Before Going Port-Less Next Year

Apple will use a Lightning port instead of USB-C in the upcoming "iPhone 12," but it will be the last major series of Apple's flagship...

www.macrumors.com

So we have an analyst and a couple leakers saying it, but where does Apple fall into this?
What if my phone crapped out, and I need to put it in recovery mode?
I am so glad you asked...

Apple Developing Over-the-Air Recovery Feature for iOS Based on Code in iOS 13.4

Code in the iOS 13.4 beta released this morning suggests that Apple is developing an over-the-air recovery feature designed for the iPhone and the...

www.macrumors.com

So all Apple has to do is enable this wireless recovery mode, include a MagSafe puck in the box, and introduce an accessory to turn wired CarPlay into wireless CarPlay. This accessory‘s already exist, but Apple will just have to make a first party adapter.
And then boom!
Completely wireless iPhone.
I already have an idea of how they might market it as well.
More waterproof, more room for bigger speaker and battery, and more secure. Since there’s no more wire data transfer, there’s no chance of gray key or anything like that getting in your phone.

This is all great and all, but I've also heard they were going to put a fingerprint scanner behind the screen. I think your predictions are correct, I (personally) just think 2021 might be too soon for Apple

 

[31 Flavas]

You don't think Samsung wouldn't be next on the hit list of public, dirty e-wasters? "They" would be going after Samsung next and Samsung decided to head it off at the pass.

Look, this is simple, I want critics to put their money where their mouth is. If it's just a straight up con job from Apple and excluding the charger is only about abject anti-consumerism. Then any company engaging in the same is equally culpable.

Look at it this way, if "you" give Samsung a pass on this. Then you give license to everyone else. Do you want to loose your Dash / Turbo / Warp chargers, your Supet Vooc, or otherwise +65watt in-box chargers? Because this is how you loose them.

I saw what I thought was a lot of genuine feedback on how upset people were at Apple doing this. But, maybe, instead they weren't.

Maybe it was all, instead, just a version of "Damnit, yes, I realize just how wasteful and harmful in-box chargers actually are ... but I can't publicly acknowledge that."

Or could more realistically just be a double standard.

 

[I7guy]

Look, this is simple, I want critics to put their money where their mouth is. If Apple excluding the charger is abject anti-consumerism. Then any company engaging in the same is equally culpable.

Look at it this way, if "you" give Samsung a pass on this. Then you give license to everyone else. Do you want to loose your Dash / Turbo / Warp chargers, your Supet Vooc, or otherwise +65watt in-box chargers? Because this is how you loose them.

I saw what I thought was a lot of genuine feedback on how upset people were at Apple doing this. But, maybe, instead they weren't.

Maybe it was all, instead, just a version of "Damnit, yes, I realize just how wasteful and harmful in-box chargers actually are ... but I can't publicly acknowledge that."

This is not simple at all. For me, I'm giving Apple a pass and I'm giving Samsung a pass. It's not anti-consumerism as a number of expensive consumer electronic devices do not even come with a charger. Why doesn't a $300+ set of bluetooth headphones come with a charger when the Homepod mini at $99, comes with a power brick.

I don't honestly know if people are upset at Apple. My son bought an iphone 12 and then said it didn't come with a charger. I asked what he was going to do, and he said use the charger and cables that he had. Can't make a generalization of the hundreds of millions of Apple customers from the microcosm here at MacRumors.

 

[C DM]

All kids of people settle for all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. That itself doesn't necessarily mean much as far as something actually being good or bad.

 

[ryanflanders256]

Haha! Typical.

Remember how cranky people were when Apple shipped the first generation iMac without a floppy disk drive?

 

[31 Flavas]

This is not simple at all. For me, I'm giving Apple a pass and I'm giving Samsung a pass. It's not anti-consumerism as a number of expensive consumer electronic devices do not even come with a charger. Why doesn't a $300+ set of bluetooth headphones come with a charger when the Homepod mini at $99, comes with a power brick.

I don't honestly know if people are upset at Apple. My son bought an iphone 12 and then said it didn't come with a charger. I asked what he was going to do, and he said use the charger and cables that he had. Can't make a generalization of the hundreds of millions of Apple customers from the microcosm here at MacRumors.

Well, as far as the HomePod Mini goes, it clearly needs more power then what a regular USB 5v/2.4 amp charger can provide. The mini probably needs PD-3.0 which the vast majority of USB chargers can't provide. More than that though, the HomePod Mini does not have a battery so it will need to be permanently plugged in. So, IMO, it's self-explanatory why it was shipped with a charger.

That $300+ set of bluetooth headphones, any modern mobile cellular phone, any tablet, airpods, apple watch, etc all have built in batteries due to their design as portable devices. As such they don't need to be permanently tethered to a power source. You can charge them for a bit with any regular USB charger and go.

My son bought an iphone 12 and then said it didn't come with a charger. I asked what he was going to do, and he said use the charger and cables that he had.

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I don't honestly know if people are upset at Apple. [...] Can't make a generalization of the hundreds of millions of Apple customers from the microcosm here at MacRumors.

Oh believe me I know it. I really can't imagine that the actual regular iPhone 12 consumer is going to be anything more then your own son. Possibly confused for a second or two, but then will put two and two together and realize oh... I can just reuse any of my existing charging infrastructure.

But, you know, genuinely there have been very strong opposition opinions to Apple's decision to drop the charger. To those that expressed those very strong opinions, though, I'm going to hold them to the standard that they setup. That said, of course, the standard will shift because apparently Apple's competition is a quivering pile of Jell-o with no will or power of its own to resist.

 

[SFjohn]

Not true at all.
No matter how big Apple gets, they are never “too big” to fail.
Just look at the original HomePod. Apple introduced it as this top-of-the-line speaker, ranted and raved about how great it was and how everyone needed it in their house, put it on the market for $350, and no one bought it. They lowered the price not even a full 18 months later, and now they have a $100 version that they are marketing.
Another example is the iPhones. In 2018, Apple introduced the iPhone XR as a lower end, more budget friendly version of that years standard iPhones, which were the XS.
Once the iPhone XR absolutely blew up, the next generation of that XR design was just labeled as the 11. So now, the cheaper one became the standard, and the more popular ones became the “pro.”
Another example is the MacBook Air. Apple introduced it in 2008 at $1800, that’s $2100 in today’s money, and it didn’t sell very well. So in 2010, they completely redesigned it, re-engineered it, and priced it at $1000. And that’s when it took off.
You might not think that your money means that much to Apple, but it really, really does.
And clearly, if removing the charger would’ve been that big of a deal to people, then the phones wouldn’t have sold as well. But nope, the majority of people either already have a charger, or see that it’s a literally just an just anand clearly, if removing the charger would’ve been that big of a deal to people, then the phones wouldn’t have sold as well. But nope, the majority of people either already have a charger, or see that it’s literally just an extra 20 bucks and just go ahead and buy it.

We have a stereo pair of original black HomePods that really are amazing. I’ve never heard such great sound out of similar sized speakers. Great value too. For everyone? No, but many of us love them.