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I have been waiting to make the switch. Making Pixel 10 officially available in more locations which Google doesn't seems to give a xxxx, and taking video should be as good on Android as on iOS.

If Tim Cook could just tell the team, no software features for the next release. You are going to fix all the UI problems as well as optimise / refactor and improve your software.
They have an entire year to fix bugs. That’s more than enough time.

They need to POLISH the features that are there, though. For example, the translucency that isn’t able to be read because it doesn’t have the proper contrast in place. They also need to come up with something different for phone to phone transfers on new phones, the current setup is buggy and terrible.

They also need to nix Siri and just have Gemini AI as an assistant, or at least some kind of Apple interface that’s not Siri over Gemini.
 
There are other metrics that many users care far more about.

Oil companies are worth a lot too. 🤮
No you're right there are other metrics that people care more about than a company's overall value. However to make a blanket statement that it's "disgusting what Apple's become" without quantifing why is a bit disingenuous imo.
 
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It’s funny how every Apple thread like this turns into Steve Jobs would’ve never let this happen, or Apple died with Steve Jobs. Look, no doubt Steve was a genius and set the bar for product vision and design. But Apple’s strength was never just one man. Jobs himself famously said, “I hire people smarter than me so they can tell me what to do.” Tim Cook was handpicked by Steve, not by accident, but because he knew Apple needed operational excellence to scale the kind of innovation he started. And guess what? Under Cook, Apple became a multi-trillion-dollar company that now builds its own chips and redefined wearables while still making massive impacts in the iPhone category.

So yeah, Steve made an impact but pretending Apple’s a mess now because he’s gone is like saying Disney stopped being creative after Walt died. The founder laid the blueprint the company built the empire.

So true. But I have to say... it's hard for any founder to spot the right people. Very few can. Years ago one colleague of mine, retired now, said to me: "Upper management still doesn't know how to recognise the capacity and talent of their employees." He was right then and still is today. It takes more than having a "employee of the month award".
 
I have been waiting to make the switch. Making Pixel 10 officially available in more locations which Google doesn't seems to give a xxxx, and taking video should be as good on Android as on iOS.

If Tim Cook could just tell the team, no software features for the next release. You are going to fix all the UI problems as well as optimise / refactor and improve your software.
Doubt it will be much better in Pixel land. Plus with Android you are the product.
 
Steve Jobs was a visionaire and one of the most important people in tech EVER. Yet, looking at the "homage website" it almost looks like he was a good person. He was not. Anyone that worked with him saw that. At least when he was around Apple stuff was exciting and new. These days Apple is just 1999 Microsoft. No ideas. No excitement. Nothing. That's what you get when you put a woke Excel guy on the helm.
 
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What I miss most from him is the way he could speak so passionately about Apple products. His passion felt really genuine

Indeed. The way he spoke is missed not just because of his passion, but also because he could be honest about what Apple did or was doing. There were instances where Jobs admitted Apple's mistake on stage during a presentation (like saying "Why should you believe us, this is coming from the guys who gave you MobileMe?"). This matters because not only is there an extra degree of sincerity (and often humor), which we always appreciate, but you also get the feeling that the mistake has been recognized and they're going to do better.

As opposed to that, Apple now cannot admit to anything that they did wrong, and there was a lot of it. When CSAM didn't exactly fill people with enthusiasm, Apple released a statement saying they were moving forward with it, but they need time to make it even better than it already was. That was years ago.
AirPower? FineWoven? Just come out and admit a mistake every once in a while, just to balance things out.
 
The reason Jobs was so impactful wasn’t because he was doing it for the money, he did it because he wanted to bring computing to everyone.
???

He was a salesman. A great one. He made you want to buy the product he was talking about.

He was absolutely doing it for the money. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.
 
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He was a salesman. A great one. He made you want to buy the product he was talking about.

He was absolutely doing it for the money. To suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.

Disagree.

I think Steve saw money as giving him the freedom to keep creating amazing products to delight people and change the world.

Without money, he wouldn't have the resources to build what he wanted to build, and he would have been at the mercy of those that have money.

Sure, he was great at selling, but I think his true driver was desire to share his amazing new products with the world.
 
Disagree.

I think Steve saw money as giving him the freedom to keep creating amazing products to delight people and change the world.

Without money, he wouldn't have the resources to build what he wanted to build, and he would have been at the mercy of those that have money.

Sure, he was great at selling, but I think his true driver was desire to share his amazing new products with the world.

I agree with you. He knew a good product will bring in revenue, so he focused on Apple delivering the best possible product. Having good sales was a side-effect of that. It's the complete opposite with Cook and his finance bros. Cook is delivering mediocre products and mediocre software since 2014, you can just tell that Cook's Apple is milking the legacy, nothing more. They keep pushing for a "better" product every year, and yes they do get incrementally better, but it's always more of the same. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing like a flop after flop under Cook. Jobs was a salesman, but he understood that a good product will have good sales. Cook's philosophy is making an "okay" product that won't make Apple lose too much on R&D and production and aligning with marketing to push the thing as hard as possible to make sales, it feels very forced. Under Jobs, it just felt natural. You saw the new thing, it was pretty much self-explanatory why you'd want to buy it, you didn't need a pre-recorded hour-long ad with 30 people telling you why you should buy the new product.
 
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I agree with you. He knew a good product will bring in revenue, so he focused on Apple delivering the best possible product. Having good sales was a side-effect of that. It's the complete opposite with Cook and his finance bros. Cook is delivering mediocre products and mediocre software since 2014, you can just tell that Cook's Apple is milking the legacy, nothing more. They keep pushing for a "better" product every year, and yes they do get incrementally better, but it's always more of the same. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing like a flop after flop under Cook. Jobs was a salesman, but he understood that a good product will have good sales. Cook's philosophy is making an "okay" product that won't make Apple lose too much on R&D and production and aligning with marketing to push the thing as hard as possible to make sales, it feels very forced. Under Jobs, it just felt natural. You saw the new thing, it was pretty much self-explanatory why you'd want to buy it, you didn't need a pre-recorded hour-long ad with 30 people telling you why you should buy the new product.

I would rather have Steve than Tim. Without Steve, Tim is nothing. I don't care Tim making Apple the richest company and turning it into a Walmart. It does not concern me. I am only interested in innovative computer products. Not phone, not watch, not homepod, etc.
 
For all the naysayers regarding Tim I would just say look at the present day MacBooks. Then remember those plastic-bodied models that used to crack at the corners. There were plenty of products in Steve's time that didn't really adhere to his oft-repeated high standards. What I remember Steve for was his vision but the implementation with regard to product has improved vastly with unibody and Apple Silicon to name just two aspects.
People get hung up on clickbait testing of stuff aimed squarely at undermining what products have to offer. Without finding and exaggerating issues their videos won't succeed.
Steve's vision is still there even if there are gaps and areas that need attention - it was ever thus. I look at what I'm typing on now, my phone, those Airpod Pro 2s and the Mac Mini M1 that saved me during Covid and I am incredibly thankful to the legacy of Steve and the present-day achievements of Tim and his team.
 
Such a key difference between Steve and Tim

(Among several others)
Lol. Right. Steve who famously didn’t want to share a penny with his colleagues when Apple went to market, unlike Woz. Steve who earned billions vs cook who earns (hundreds of) millions. If cook was just in it for the money he’d have taken another position at another company years ago. They’d pay him.
 
I agree with you. He knew a good product will bring in revenue, so he focused on Apple delivering the best possible product. Having good sales was a side-effect of that. It's the complete opposite with Cook and his finance bros. Cook is delivering mediocre products and mediocre software since 2014, you can just tell that Cook's Apple is milking the legacy, nothing more. They keep pushing for a "better" product every year, and yes they do get incrementally better, but it's always more of the same. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing like a flop after flop under Cook. Jobs was a salesman, but he understood that a good product will have good sales. Cook's philosophy is making an "okay" product that won't make Apple lose too much on R&D and production and aligning with marketing to push the thing as hard as possible to make sales, it feels very forced. Under Jobs, it just felt natural. You saw the new thing, it was pretty much self-explanatory why you'd want to buy it, you didn't need a pre-recorded hour-long ad with 30 people telling you why you should buy the new product.

I'd go as far as to argue that the one thing that has changed at Apple since Steve Jobs was alive is not the quality of coders, designers, or managers, but that the company's core reason for existence has gone from wanting to "put a dent in the universe" to "vacuum up every dollar from the market it can"
 
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