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Lol, you that thick.

We haven't found a substitute for water to survive. On the other hand, the 3.5mm jack is an archaic POS with plenty of better alternatives.

I don't want to argue... It's not a matter of being thick, and it is irrelevant how old the 3.5 jack technology is, it's very useful in this situation. Not to mention the big investment a lot of have in Bose headphones for travel, etc. The lightening port is horrible, it's not a standard like USB-C, it's a waste and bad for the environment to have all these different standards. If they were going to only do one port, make it USB-C at least. And please explain, if we were to have 2 ports... the better alternative to the 3.5 jack for everyone would be?
 
Barely mentioned in MacRumors article on this is one of the key benefits of the recovered space from the outdated 3.5mm jackhole - - 2 hours more battery life than the 6s!
Wha??? That's some wicked physics there if the battery space of a 3.5mm jack supplied 2 hours of iPhone operation. Heck, you'd better call Elon. With that kind of tech, you could charge a Tesla once per year.
And yet there it is.
 
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The ATV4 has a USB C as a maintenance/developer port. Just like the 3 had a micro USB port.

BTW, that is the only thing I own with a C port.
Missing coherence I'd say. Also why does the MacBook have usb-c instead of lightning (or thunderbolt) ?
 
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Or like this?

galaxy-note-7-blows-up-jeep.jpg

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http://www.androidauthority.com/note-7-blows-up-vehicle-715428/
 
Please may I ask what your mext phone is likely to be?.....and why?
cheers
I can't tell at this point because that's too far in the future, and I don't need to think very far ahead anyway. All I can say is it's hopefully going to be another iPhone. But, who knows, in several years, I may be using a Linux PC and Android.
 
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Well people use steering wheels in cars. Whoa, another 100+ years old technology! Lets dump this and build cars with joysticks steering. Just for the sake of moving on. :rolleyes:
However as fast as we can we are moving to autonomous vehicles, so wont need steering wheels, achieved the goal.
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Maybe it's a good idea to read the real story behind it all before you make it sounds like the Samsung Galaxy S7 Active isn't IP68 resistant: http://www.consumerreports.org/smar...ne-in-response-to-consumer-reports-dunk-test/

It was a manufacturing issue that caused some few units to fail the tests. Samsung admitted the fault and was replacing all faulting devices to customers who was affected by that.

Man, some of you guys are really bad at reading the news on the internet.
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Yeah, the speakers in the iPhones are also a technology that is over 100 years old. Let's just remove all speakers from the next iPhone so you have to use an external speaker to be able to hear your phone recieve calls and that.

Yeah, just get over that, to, right?
[doublepost=1473375662][/doublepost]I'm gonna explain something here that someone here clearly doesn't understand the basics of when it comes to sound. First. The ears can only hear analog sound. Because of that, you still have to convert the digital sound from the phone to analog sound before the sound is reaching the speakers on your headphones that you can hear. Thus, the need of a DAC.

Secondly, let's get to some points here.

- 1st point. The port on the phone don't determines the sound quality. That's the DAC and the speakers in the headphones job to decide that. The 3.5mm minijack is just a 'middle point' of the analog sound that is converted from the DAC in the phone where the sound is going through.

- 2nd point. Moving the integrated DAC in the phone outside of the phone will not magically make the sound quality better just because you place the same DAC in the controller on the cable for the headphones no matter what port that is used.

- 3rd point. Someone will say that you can use much better DACs via the Lightning / USB Type-C connector over what the phones have. That's true. However, you can already use external DACs with the current phones via the Lightning / USB Type-C / MicroUSB ports which you could have been using for years already. So there is no reasons to remove the 3.5mm minijack just to be able to use better DACs.

- 4th point. The 3.5mm minijack is actually extremely good and in fact flawless. Because the 3.5mm minijack can deliver MUCH MUCH more sound than what out ears can capable of understanding and hear anyways. So you wont get better sound quality by going to another port. Why else do you think the best and most expensive DACs and DAPs out on the market today are using either 3.5mm minijacks or 6.35mm headphone jacks?

Go figure.

Because the jacks are as good as they can be for our ears. If not, they would have been changed out for something else a long time ago. They just works and does it jobs without ANY issues. So why change out something that just works and are perfect?

- 5th point. Removing the 3.5mm minijack is only going to remove choices for the consumers, which is a very bad idea when you take into consideration on how much the 3.5mm minijack is used on everything today.

- 6th point. The only reason Apple is removing the 3.5mm minijack and only makes it possible to use the Lightning port (if you don't want to go around carrying a dumb adapter) for listening to musics via headphones is because they want more profits. If all of the headphone manufacturers have to use the Lightning plug on their headphones, then Apple will charge them a licence fee of 4 dollars (i think it is) over that. That means more profits for Apple.

- 7th point. And everyone knows that Apple will go 'no f**ks given' to their users and do ANYTHING to gain more profits. So again, why remove a plug that can't be any better for delivering sound to our ears for something new (Lightning) that isn't better for any casual users when it comes to just listening to musics?

- 8th point. The 3.5mm minijack might be an old technology, but who cares about that when the 3.5mm minijack have no limitations to what our ears can understand and hear and doesn't have any flaws?

The 3.5mm minijack just works and does the job of delivering sound perfectly. That's why the 3.5mm minijack have survived for so long time, because it's perfect and it JUST WORKS.

- 9th point. And if we are talking about old technology. What about the loudspeakers that are in the phones? Isn't the normal loudspeakers a very old technology aswell?

The loudspeakers was developed in the late 1800s. So maybe we should remove all of the speakers aswell on the next iPhones, just because they are old, so you can just use external speakers instead as a fix for that, right?

- 10th point. Apple only does this for the money, and not because the 3.5mm minijack is old or have any flaws. Read this and you will understand fully on what all of this is about: https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/courage/
So at the end of that, Apple made a decision which you are not happy about, buy another brand phone. All manufacturers reserve the right to make what they want to sell. Sorry for whatever reason they choose, they have done it.
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Correct, so now you need to carry more crap with you to just do what the old, wired headphones did without effort.
Apparently you can still use the old wired ones anyway? I think there are definite advantages to the wireless set for flexibility but I wait to "hear" what they sound like.
 
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The cradle will fall...

Or, same thing as when any headphone cable breaks... you buy a new headphone. Or you have it replaced under apple care.
Point is you have the apple tax compared to the cost of 3.5mm and can't charge in car and listen at same time
 
Or considering how much more often iOS devises crashed compared to Android as a whole?

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Repo...-first-time-during-the-second-quarter_id84528

I have to raise the ******** flag on reports like this. They don't sample everyone. I've used both for years and years and apps on Android crash way more often than they did on the iPhone. Way more often. The whole OS might not ever crash, I never saw that on either platform, but apps? Most definitely.
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Point is you have the apple tax compared to the cost of 3.5mm and can't charge in car and listen at same time

Can you show me the "Apple tax"?
 
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It won't matter too much as there'll be a headphone manuf. that will release a lighting headphone.

What annoys me is this BS for "thin-ness", you get the camera poking out making liable to scratch, why not make it that .5mm thicker, no-one will notice. You'll get a bigger battery, more space to stick more stuff in (which was what Apple said one of the reasons was the 3.5 jack took up space) everyone's a winner.
 
I have to raise the ******** flag on reports like this. They don't sample everyone. I've used both for years and years and apps on Android crash way more often than they did on the iPhone. Way more often. The whole OS might not ever crash, I never saw that on either platform, but apps? Most definitely.
I have to raise the ******** flag on posts like this. Now personally I have very rarely seen app crashes in general (iOS or Android), and never one on my current Android phone.

But you know what crashes reliably and often? The Safari page renderer, on my iPad. Particularly on those news sites that load more articles as you scroll down, that's a guaranteed crash at some point.

Then there's the case of you substituting your anecdotal evidence for what seems to be a pretty well documented report, just because your brand loyalty makes you dislike the conclusion.
 
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I don't want to argue... It's not a matter of being thick, and it is irrelevant how old the 3.5 jack technology is, it's very useful in this situation. Not to mention the big investment a lot of have in Bose headphones for travel, etc. The lightening port is horrible, it's not a standard like USB-C, it's a waste and bad for the environment to have all these different standards. If they were going to only do one port, make it USB-C at least. And please explain, if we were to have 2 ports... the better alternative to the 3.5 jack for everyone would be?
USBC for sure would be better. Especially since they have put it on the MacBook and most likely the new rMBP. Using a proprietary plug instead of a standard will reduce the number of future options we will have to choose from.
 
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I'm completely for change, but not if it means using a piece of proprietary technology (Lightning). If you're a fanboy / completely into Apple's ecosystem and nobody else, then this obviously isn't an issue. But for everyone else? It can be.

Good point, you're right.
In light of your comment, I'm interested to see what Apple is going to make of this change.
If competitors jump on the train and the market of wireless headphones expands, it may be a win-win for all of us -- if not, Apple made a mistake when scrapping the headphone jack.
 
So I usually listen to music on my iPhone before getting on train/airplanes then when i'm onboard I usually work with my headphones in on the laptop. How do I do this with the new lighting connection headphones as the macbook pro doesn't have this connection?
 
So I usually listen to music on my iPhone before getting on train/airplanes then when i'm onboard I usually work with my headphones in on the laptop. How do I do this with the new lighting connection headphones as the macbook pro doesn't have this connection?
Apple will probably be happy to sell you a new lighting to 3.5mm dongle for only $29.99. Problem solved. Make sure you lose it frequently, they need the cash.
 
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If you honestly believe that the display has no affect on battery life then I'm forced to end this discussion due to the amount of ignorance. I'll reply once you understood how basic components such as a display work lol.
Lets start here, as for the direct correlation between display resolution and battery life, care to point the scientific evidence that supports that.

Are you supporting that having higher resolution screen is a good excuse for poor battery life?

Display specifications are a trade off the manufacturers made, its just that, a trade off. As a user, once the infatuation with the resolution specification dies down, the only thing that affects the user regardless of display specification is how long will the battery last on that phone with that screen resolution, with that GPU. Now that we are back to battery life of a device regardless of what other hardware components are on it, the question is what is the closest scientific evidence that points to comparison of battery life. That would be the one done by Anandtech.
 
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Yes. It sounds good in theory.
So many problems with that in real life though.
Also, they could have done this and left the 3.5mm jack. (But Money!)
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Standard headphones connected to the adapter must get an already converted through DAC and now analog signal.
Not sure how they are detecting this. Surely it's a battery drain at the least.
No way will that sound as good as connecting the headphones direct to 3.5mm as before if all else is equal.

Headphones do not have DAC's in them. That will need to change to meet Apple's vision.
Or they won't and most will still use 3.5mm. Or we will live in this mess of various incompatible standards and adapters for some time before this normalizes. Things could normalize back to 3.5mm. Or 3.5mm and bluetooth. It's so early to say at this point.

The 3.5mm jack is a specialized simulated analog port that we’ve all gotten attached to but that the lightning port and an accessory can provide. A ‘one size fits all’ with a single DAC implementation that is by necessity limited in what it is allowed to do because of the potential of electronic interference in the tightly packed environment of the cell phone.

Now all audio data will leave the phone as data so that it can be dealt with by the audio accessory in the best way for it. The AirPods are the first implementation of this, the DAC 3.5mm adapter provides legacy support.

90% of people will be happy with a wireless solution to their listening needs, the 10% that aren’t will see custom cases that have two lightning ports and a faux analog port, maybe two, toss in some power storage or whatever it is they need - its just a hub wrapped around a phone.

If you just can’t switch until these options appear then don’t now, the 6s/+ are still available. And this is an innovative opportunity - power pack case where the bottom ¼ lets a person buy and install whatever ports they personally need to the bottom back edge. Musician needs 2 faux analog ports and 2 usable lightning? No problem. Need to have a USB-C port? Toss that in too.

Apple has done this before - removing an old standard (serial/SCSI/floppy/Optical) sparks improved options while the old ways still available for those that have legacy needs. Every single time it has turned out for the better - making that 3.5mm plug and its way of handling audio an available option rather than always being there is just another case of the same.

There will be a power case that has that dongle built in eventually - if that’s essential for you to use a phone then just wait for that, but do try to stay open that there just might be better ways for audio devices to handle DAC than the old way.
 
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"Real" courage will be putting the headphone jack back in the Iphone 8.

If Air Pods have batteries in them, is there the potential for them to explode?
 
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