As far as Apple are concerned there is no 3.5", its defunct.
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As far as Apple are concerned there is no 3.5", its defunct.
Which kind of goes to show the current intelligence level of the folks making these decisions. These are the same people trying to built 'autonomous' cars though, so I guess they've drunk the kool-aid w/o engaging sound reasoning.
clearly the people making these decisions had one thing on their mind, and thats lining up the pockets of shareholders at Apple with more money.
This doesnt surprise me one bit, its just another ploy by them to further constrain people into their ecosystem.
I am a huge fan of tech and gadgets but Apple have shot themselves in the foot and the reality is that their products are not cutting edge, advanced and for the most part far too expensive for what you get.
The Galaxy Note 7 moved to USB C, or USB 3.1 as a matter of progression. It is not a new standard and most new devices will have USB C in the coming year, they wont go chopping off 3.5" audio jacks or making up pretty lame excuses about it.
This doesnt surprise me one bit, its just another ploy by them to further constrain people into their ecosystem.
I am a huge fan of tech and gadgets but Apple have shot themselves in the foot and the reality is that their products are not cutting edge, advanced and for the most part far too expensive for what you get.
The Galaxy Note 7 moved to USB C, or USB 3.1 as a matter of progression. It is not a new standard and most new devices will have USB C in the coming year, they wont go chopping off 3.5" audio jacks or making up pretty lame excuses about it.
I mean, to be fair, it's their job to line the pockets of shareholders... the debate is more about the how, in what time-frame, and at what expense. For any reasonably sized company, they can always make short-term increases in income if they do the right internal juggling... but those decisions might hurt them long-term.
Apple is now running much like most other tech companies, and ironically, more like they were in the mid-90s before Jobs returned and saved them. It's like they didn't learn anything from that.
I really don't understand how some people can not see how ridiculous this is.
So essentially you are saying that it's all good because with dongles and special cases that don't exist yet and will cost a lot extra you will be able to do what you could before they removed the 3.5mm.
You could already do an outboard dac through lightning the way things were with the 3.5mm jack. You could choose which jack to use. Whether to use 3.5mm or lightning headphones or outboard high end dac. Now how many choices do you have? How many of those choices don't lead to more money for Apple? It's clear as day!
Theoretically moving the dac out could allow manufacturers to increase sound quality.
I can't imagine being naive enough to think manufacturers will all do a good enough job on the dac in tiny headphone enclosures that it will be an improvement. People are saying this will be a given benefit to sound quality across the board. No it won't..
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Then why can every other manufacturer seem to fit one in with batteries twice as big and bezels less than half as big?
Don't believe those lies from apple and just let them off like that for a second.
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We'll see when ifixit takes it apart.
I expect to see about 200mah more. So still way behind what others are putting in phones with much smaller bezels and headphone jacks.
It's total BS. Don't just suck it back like that.
Exactly.
The latest Smasung batteries have capacities (or gravemetric densities if you are any bit understanding of charge times and batteries themselves) much greater than the Apple iPhones, try 3500mAh.
And they have a larger more advanced display to power up and offer fast charging and many useful power saving modes.
This is real usable technology that is passed onto the consumer.
Apple pass nothing onto the consumer, only the idea that they own something that is superior..
They dont.
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Apple are making mugs of people for a long time now.
As Meboy aptly pointed out above.
iPhones are behind the times with technology. Would you pay about $1000 for a Iphone 7 Plus. That looks pretty identical to the previous model and has a battery much smaller that what competitors have, doesnt have any fast charge, zero wireless charge capability, zero power saving modes, no ability to use a SD card...
If you are a devout Apple fan you would and that is why Apple can rip off even more money from Apple fans by removing the 3.5" Jack, They have made themselves look like idiots saying they had to take that off to meet IP compliance.
unfortunately I have a Masters in Electronics and work with compliance and regulation and know this is BS.
They have plenty real estate space on the outdated 750P bezel on the iPhone 7 to incorporate a 3.5" Jack and meet IP rating.
Hell, Samsung can have higher IP ratings and have less real estate to work with as they use edge to edge displays.
Apple are passing none of that tax free money they earn back to consumers, they are just making mugs of people.
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Are all brand new forum members of MacRumors required to have an advanced degree in electronics? Seems to be a rash of them lately.
Yes, you ‘can’t imagine’, we have gotten that from the people who need to keep suckling off the 3.5mm port and that lack of imagination is what is ‘ridiculous’.
if you can’t do what you used to do with the 3.5mm then change the way you do it. Those of us that don’t need the 3.5mm shouldn’t have to have one just because you can’t figure out how to do what you want in a new way.
Again, the single data port can do all you used to with the 3.5mm and much much more. Try to imagine that.
Yes I'm planning to "upgrade" my iPhone SE to iPhone 7 capabilities!
This gif sells the whole thing for me brilliantly:
• dongles for legacy 3.5mm equipment inexpensively available.
• Lightning port is reversible, the micro USB-C is not, a phone can be damaged by putting a micro USB-C in the wrong way.
I have no problem with you expressing your opinion that Apple is behind the technology curve in batteries, displays, or features. But I draw the line when you claim that Apple is making "mugs" of those who buy an iPhone 7. (I had to look up that bit of British terminology, as I didn't think you were saying that we're large cups.) Just because you have a Master's in Electronics doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant and is being duped. I know exactly what I'm getting from Apple. If I wanted a Samsung device I'd get it instead, but I don't.
I can't believe you wrote this on a tech forum.
I apologize. I don't actually own anything with a micro USB-C on it and when I did the QuickScan on the Internet obviously I grabbed the wrong piece of information.
Truth Hurts, want to see my degrees and masters certs, did my masters in Microelectronics in 2010.
The way Apple eschewed the USB is another case in point. The properitary Apple connectors for all I can see have no real benefit other than being flimsy and resulting in more sales of said chargers, with all profits going back to them lovely shareholders.
USB on the other hand has gone through several changes with the benefits passed onto the consumer. Faster data transfers and higher current handling (faster charging for larger batteries) a few areas.
Apple have made fools of people for a long time now but as of Q2 2016 almost 90% of people use Androids so most people have common sense.
https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/gartner-androids-smartphone-marketshare-hit-86-2-in-q2/
Truth Hurts, want to see my degrees and masters certs, did my masters in Microelectronics in 2010.
The way Apple eschewed the USB is another case in point. The properitary Apple connectors for all I can see have no real benefit other than being flimsy and resulting in more sales of said chargers, with all profits going back to them lovely shareholders.
USB on the other hand has gone through several changes with the benefits passed onto the consumer. Faster data transfers and higher current handling (faster charging for larger batteries) a few areas.
Apple have made fools of people for a long time now but as of Q2 2016 almost 90% of people use Androids so most people have common sense.
https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/18/gartner-androids-smartphone-marketshare-hit-86-2-in-q2/
Apple didn't eschew USB. USB did not offer Apple a suitable replacement for 30-pin. Where was USB-C when Apple was developing Lightning 5 years ago? Now that USB-C was developed, with Apple's support and involvement, to incorporate features from Lightning, Apple should just switch half-a-billion customers over to it, even though the devices they're using Lightning with don't need it?
It's as simple as Apple said it will increase sound quality... and since most people don't pay enough attention, and/or can't think their way out of a paper bag anymore... they just go with it.
Meboy made a mistake (but the points were valid). There's no way you're getting 2hrs or 200mAh in the space of a 3.5mm jack. Period. If the battery gained that much size, it wasn't from the 3.5mm jack (but, again, I don't expect it gained much size, because the battery savings came from advancements in the A10).
No, but I think one should be able to expect some high-school level physics and/or common sense from most of the forum participants. (If you're in <8th grade, maybe I'll give you a pass.)
Um, we can figure it out. We're well aware Apple is including an adapter in the box. We're saying it was a bad decision, trade-off... and that from experience with Lightening (I have it on several of my devices), that it isn't going to be as good as the 3.5mm, mechanically (i.e.: lots more breakage and problems), and that it introduces other challenges, like charge while listening, etc.
Yes, they can all be overcome... but why? The only good reason I've heard yet, is for that few square mm of internal space. They could easily gain that back (and then some) if they increased the thickness by a few mm.
There real reason they did it (reading between the lines a bit), is to get one step closer to being port-less... a fantasy of Ives, probably. And THAT is a very, very bad idea.
Mini and micro USB are horrible connections. While I like standards, I can see why Apple went Lightening at that point in time. I think Apple was justified there.
Fair point. But, yes, I think they EITHER should have left the 3.5mm until they were ready to make the big switch, or stick with the 3.5mm and still go to USB-C one day. There's no future for Lightening, aside from Apple being stubborn... it's a proprietary connector. My fear is that they will try to expand it across the product line. That would suck.
WELL I SUPPOSE LIKE 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE HERE, IVE NOT HEARD WHAT THE W1 IS CAPABLE OF YET.
Right, that's enough of that nonsense, just as you seem to like needlessly shouting, I thought I'd make you feel at home
The thing is there is no technical hurdle to prevent a wireless signal producing as good as or better a signal than the good old analog jack. Will the W1 do it? I highly doubt that. But a couple of generations down the line, it probably will.
A wired Lightning connection on the other hand can be stunning, or a bit crap, depending on the cans you use. So no huge difference there.
As for the compatibility panic, well, intelligent purchasing choices negates that aspect. When there's products like the Audeze Sine out there, which offer both Lightning and good old analog 3.5mm compatibility. They also back it up with great sound quality.
Ok those may not fit every budget, but it's just an example to highlight that universal compatibility is possible from a single product. So expect that to find its way into a lot of products. Even on the wireless side the W1 products are compatible with standard Bluetooth.
So, yeah, Lightning is proprietary. So I've got to attach a little cable to my wired headphones to use them, it's hardly ideal, but meh. I can use my Bluetooth cans and when I do want wired, I'm hardly inconvenienced by a teeny wee wire. And it may well be proprietary, but there's a wealth of products in the world that are Apple compatible. The majority of manufacturers realise that with hundreds of millions of devices using it, there's a big market to tap into. So they do.
I guess it boils down to the individual and as I've said many times, thank god we're not all the same. What if we ended up like Trump, shudder (wouldn't complain about the cash. Although if I had to put up with that barnet, maybe I'd rather be without the cash
)Personally I'm not particularly afraid of change, I welcome it with open arms when I can see a benefit in the long run. And completely wireless, high quality audio is definitely one of those things.
Ever since I was a young boy and had to sit, rooted to the spot, within 3 feet of my record player just so I could listen to my music I imagined what it could be like to have headphones without wires being a hindrance. That day may in a few short years finally arrive and I'm really looking forward to it. Hell im living in what was just science fiction when I was young, that's awesome, I'm all for it
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My thesis...
So, yeah.
Apple saying they removed the 3.5" out of necessity is just garbage. Modern Semiconductors are amazing things and they can fit easily a 3.5" Jack, OLED Edge to Edge Displays, 3500mAh batteries, Power Saving circuitry and USB C connectors at the bottom end of the devices, and retain IP compliance.
Samsung do, dont see why it needs to be removed, nothing but greed and Apple absolutely dont care about the end user.
My thesis...
So, yeah.
Apple saying they removed the 3.5" out of necessity is just garbage. Modern Semiconductors are amazing things and they can fit easily a 3.5" Jack, OLED Edge to Edge Displays, 3500mAh batteries, Power Saving circuitry and USB C connectors at the bottom end of the devices, and retain IP compliance.
Samsung do, dont see why it needs to be removed, nothing but greed and Apple absolutely dont care about the end user.
Considering how far out the fulfillment rate is for iPhone 7’s are just from this initial weekend the hoped for ‘backlash’ of the removal of this legacy port just isn’t happening.
Not sure where the ‘greed’ part kicks in, but Apple has been about removing redundant ports since the inception of the Macintosh. Maybe someday they will even switch the lightning to USB-C (or D or whatever though the C is supposed to be ‘future-proofed’) but I doubt there will be two wired ports whatever they might be ever again.
Funny. Of course I was referring to physically connected ports in contrast with the 2 wireless ports, wifi and BT.