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Remove camera icon from lock screen 4S 5.1

thought of a very real reason why this is bad

Piggybacking on my last post....
16 year old "Johnny" is at a friends house with a few friends. 15 year old "Sally" has a crush on Johnny, and wants him to notice her. Johnny goes to the bathroom, leaving his phone behind. Sally sees the phone, and convinces one of her friends to take pictures of her in various states of undress with Johnny's "locked" iPhone. Now, Johnny is in possession of "Child pornography" without even knowing it, which would possibly follow him for the rest of his life.
PLEASE Apple, let us disable this without completely disabling the camera app.
 
I really like the new one opposed to the old version. That plus now you don't have to doubletap the home button. And you don't have to slide your finger as far to the right to unlock. What's there not to like?
 
paranoidprgrmr said:
Piggybacking on my last post....
16 year old "Johnny" is at a friends house with a few friends. 15 year old "Sally" has a crush on Johnny, and wants him to notice her. Johnny goes to the bathroom, leaving his phone behind. Sally sees the phone, and convinces one of her friends to take pictures of her in various states of undress with Johnny's "locked" iPhone. Now, Johnny is in possession of "Child pornography" without even knowing it, which would possibly follow him for the rest of his life.
PLEASE Apple, let us disable this without completely disabling the camera app.
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Sally is the weak link here, not Apple.
 
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paranoidprgrmr said:
Piggybacking on my last post....
16 year old "Johnny" is at a friends house with a few friends. 15 year old "Sally" has a crush on Johnny, and wants him to notice her. Johnny goes to the bathroom, leaving his phone behind. Sally sees the phone, and convinces one of her friends to take pictures of her in various states of undress with Johnny's "locked" iPhone. Now, Johnny is in possession of "Child pornography" without even knowing it, which would possibly follow him for the rest of his life.
PLEASE Apple, let us disable this without completely disabling the camera app.
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How is this any different than what it was like last week when all Sally needed to do was tap the home button twice to get to the camera?
 
dot.ducky said:
not to mention johnny is also underage... so no harm, no foul, right?
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Wrong actually.
Child pornography is illegal for ANYONE to have.

But the camera icon is a non-issue really. Many feature phones have had instant on camera buttons.

Hell you don't even need to turn the screen on to use the camera on a WP7 phone. Just press the dedicated camera button and shoot away.
 
aztooh said:
I love how this guy gets down voted because he would like an option instead of something being forced on him.
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I think it was his tone and he proposed it as a security issue. I hope a simple feature request woudn't get voted down. Conversely, if it were just a button I would probably be looking at the camera 9 times out of 10 when I pulled it out of my pocket. The swipe is a great replacement for the double-click.

As far as having a choice to turn it off, there's probably an app for that (via Cydia). :D
 
Hmm, I did not know you could double-click to access camera on the locked phone. It's neat and worrisome at the same time. It seems to me (I don't have 5.1 downloaded yet) that new implementation is better if you want to have it.

That being said, I still think one should be able to disable this functionality for reasons already mentioned here; crappy/silly/illegal pictures on your phone and other devices with photo stream.

Just my 2 cents.
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vincenz said:
I really like the new one opposed to the old version. That plus now you don't have to doubletap the home button. And you don't have to slide your finger as far to the right to unlock. What's there not to like?
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cyks said:
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How is this any different than what it was like last week when all Sally needed to do was tap the home button twice to get to the camera?
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It's not, I just didn't know about it until 5.1 came out ;)
Actually, had I realized this was in previous versions, I would have raised this issue earlier.
 
PNutts said:
I think it was his tone and he proposed it as a security issue. I hope a simple feature request woudn't get voted down. Conversely, if it were just a button I would probably be looking at the camera 9 times out of 10 when I pulled it out of my pocket. The swipe is a great replacement for the double-click.

As far as having a choice to turn it off, there's probably an app for that (via Cydia). :D
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It's a common theme around here...someone doesn't like something that Apple implements, and the masses 'flame' them and down vote the hell out of their post. Honestly not sure why I still come to this forum...seems like a bunch of 12 year olds.

Why do you think you'd be looking at the camera so often? If you pull it out of your pocket while, say...it's ringing...the camera button wouldn't be there. When it is ringing, do you find that you've already answered/declined the call while pulling it out of your pocket?

If you're getting it out to do something without being prompted by a notification, then the screen is off, and obv no camera button would be there.

I'll probably find that the slider is not so bad, but the button wouldn't be an issue for me either. At any rate, back to the OP, there's absolutely no reason there can't be a setting to have the option disabled in settings.
 
paranoidprgrmr said:
It's not, I just didn't know about it until 5.1 came out ;)
Actually, had I realized this was in previous versions, I would have raised this issue earlier.
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You can presumably access child pornography if you search hard enough on the Internet. You should probably throw your computer in the trash because it can be used for vile things.
 
outphase said:
You can presumably access child pornography if you search hard enough on the Internet. You should probably throw your computer in the trash because it can be used for vile things.
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I think you missed the point. The point is, whether this is iOS only, iOS and Android, or "all" smart phones, the point is that things you don't want could be put onto your phone, and possibly ALL your computers through cloud access, without your willing participation pretty easily this way. Imagine the damage this could do to a politician, junior executive or even a high school student, with them being completely innocent of any wrong doing. If someone is actively searching for this kind of thing and get caught, they get what they deserve. However, in the scenario I put out, the "wrongdoer" may not have even known it was on their phone, but the pictures were taken with their phone, possibly making it harder for them to defend themselves.
 
paranoidprgrmr said:
I think you missed the point. The point is, whether this is iOS only, iOS and Android, or "all" smart phones, the point is that things you don't want could be put onto your phone, and possibly ALL your computers through cloud access, without your willing participation pretty easily this way. Imagine the damage this could do to a politician, junior executive or even a high school student, with them being completely innocent of any wrong doing. If someone is actively searching for this kind of thing and get caught, they get what they deserve. However, in the scenario I put out, the "wrongdoer" may not have even known it was on their phone, but the pictures were taken with their phone, possibly making it harder for them to defend themselves.
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Under 18 USC §2252A, the person must knowingly distribute or be in possession of child porn. If Sally did put those photos on there without Johnny's knowledge, his defense is easy because he did not know they were there. On top of that, there are at least 2 people that know that the photos were put there without his knowledge. People just don't get locked up as soon as they're accused.
 
aphexacid said:
I have no need for the camera icon to be there, and would like to remove it. But i cant find anything in settings.

So let me guess, apple have decided that we would like this better, and not given us an option to remove?

I know this is going to cause me problems....
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You can always Jailbreak and remove the camera from the lockscreen.:rolleyes:
 
I don't know that jailbreaking will put the old regular slider back. I would prefer the regular slider to be there myself. I use a custom slider (it's juts a black one). I hope it would still work provided I change the size to match.

Hopefully...........Someone will make a tweak that enables the camera slider button to show up only via an activation method. I hope so. I tried iOS 5.1....but didn't really like that I couldn't change the lock screen so I went back to 5.0.1.
 
Another very important reason to remove camera icon

If you have a passcode set to a certain time delay, and you close the camera before the time is up, you have access to EVERYTHING on the phone, not just pictures. For security alone, it would be a very good idea to make that icon optional.
 
patrick68 said:
If you have a passcode set to a certain time delay, and you close the camera before the time is up, you have access to EVERYTHING on the phone, not just pictures. For security alone, it would be a very good idea to make that icon optional.
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The same is true if you simply unlock the phone before the time has passed.
 
ITT: APPLE CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG, AND YOU ARE WRONG FOR WANTING TO CHANGE IT.

Seriously. This forum is full of people on their high horses.
 

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outphase said:
Under 18 USC §2252A, the person must knowingly distribute or be in possession of child porn. If Sally did put those photos on there without Johnny's knowledge, his defense is easy because he did not know they were there. On top of that, there are at least 2 people that know that the photos were put there without his knowledge. People just don't get locked up as soon as they're accused.
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So would wouldn't mind be falsely accused, have your name and mugshot in the press, then have the charges quietly dropped, right? I'd hardly call it easy.

/off topic, I know
 
And it took until freaking post #48 for the answer to the OP's question.

Install the No Lockscreen Camera package on Cydia.

Jeeze.
 
jplusc said:
for what its worth, if you disable the camera app under restrictions the quick launch on the lock screen will go away. Of course you would then need a 3rd party camera/video app.
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Thanks for the tip! But this altogether disables the camera not just from the lock screen. Anyway, at least it lets you get back to old lock screen.
 
outphase said:
Under 18 USC §2252A, the person must knowingly distribute or be in possession of child porn. If Sally did put those photos on there without Johnny's knowledge, his defense is easy because he did not know they were there. On top of that, there are at least 2 people that know that the photos were put there without his knowledge. People just don't get locked up as soon as they're accused.
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Wow...

You think it would be an easy defence to argue that the pictures taken using your phone weren't taken by you?

They wouldn't just take your word for it. And I doubt either of the two others would own up because they would then be in trouble.

Did you know that the child that takes naked photos of themselves can also be prosecuted for possessing child pornography? (in the UK at least)
 
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