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Report: Apple Exploring 20-Inch All-Screen Foldable MacBook, But Foldable iPhone Delayed Until 2025
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So..... a MacBook with no physical keyboard? Really? So it's the failed TouchBar on steroids? No no no no, us MacBook users love our physical keys, in case Apple didn't already get that memo. Yeah sure, give us a touch screen, but leave the bottom half just as it is, thanks.
Foldable screen technology is simply not there yet.
I’m almost 100% sure this won’t happen for decades.
I’m almost 100% sure this won’t happen for decades.
People used to hate touch keyboard when it came out. Now what?
Apple has likely delayed its foldable iPhone until 2025 and the company is exploring all-screen foldable MacBooks, according to Display Supply Chain Consultants (DSCC) analyst Ross Young.
In a new DSCC report on upcoming foldable and rollable devices, Young explained that Apple's long-rumored foldable iPhone has been delayed until 2025. This appears to be a significant delay compared to previous predictions that the device will launch in 2023 or 2024. News of the delay comes after discussions with supply chain sources, suggesting that Apple is not in a hurry to enter the foldable market.
Despite delaying its foldable ambitions for the iPhone, Apple is allegedly exploring the possibility of offering all-screen foldable notebooks. The company is said to be discussing foldable notebooks with displays around 20-inches in size with its suppliers.
Young said that this device could form a new product category for Apple and result in a dual-use product, with it able to work as a notebook with a full-size on-screen keyboard when folded and as a monitor when unfolded and used with an external keyboard. The foldable could also allow for 4K resolutions or higher at the size Apple is investigating, Young added.
The launch timeframe for the foldable notebook is "likely later" than 2025, with 2026 or 2027 being floated as reasonable possibilities. The disclosure of Apple's interest in the foldable notebook segment is said to be "good news for the foldable space" generally.
Young has revealed a litany of accurate insights into Apple's plans, such as the iPhone 13 Pro's ProMotion display, the display size and bezels of the sixth-generation iPad mini, the 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro's mini-LED displays with ProMotion, and more. Most recently, Young spearheaded rumors of the iPhone 14 Pro's pill-shaped and hole-punch TrueDepth camera design to replace the notch and the mini-LED iMac Pro's June release date.
Article Link: Report: Apple Exploring 20-Inch All-Screen Foldable MacBook, But Foldable iPhone Delayed Until 2025
Why do people just hate new technology without even giving it a chance? I just don't get it.
Decade(s)? As in like what? 20 or 30 years? I think that’s a bit of a stretch. I would think by 2030 at the very latest, and so much can change just in the span of two years to see advancements that may flourish or completely diminish.
I gotta say Apple is now just looking for more ways to charge there customers more, without really adding in more value to the user experience. A 20" foldable Macbook is dumb in my opinion, especially since there is a 16" Mackbook pro. What would be much more useful to me and many others would be a touch screen Mackbook instead. Now if this 20" foldable brings a touch screen to the Macbook, then that is okay. But if there is no touch screen on that Foldable Mac, then forget it!
Also a foldable iPhone/iPad in one physical device would be much better, especially since that kind of device would be a 2 in 1 type device. Carrying around a iPhone that can unfold to an iPad mini would be more useful, than a foldable Macbook.
Also a foldable iPhone/iPad in one physical device would be much better, especially since that kind of device would be a 2 in 1 type device. Carrying around a iPhone that can unfold to an iPad mini would be more useful, than a foldable Macbook.
Apple currently has an app ecosystem problem when it comes to foldables like the Galaxy Z Fold 3, or any other 2 in 1 foldable device. Apple went out of their way to not only encourage their app developers to create iPhone apps, but if you wanted to include support for the iPads as well, then they encouraged their developers to create another separate version of their app for the iPads as well. But Apple went even further with this separation by creating two iOS operating systems versions, one version of iOS for iPhones, and another iOS version called iPadOS for iPads.
This makes Apple's app ecosystem NOT CONDUCIVE towards foldables at all. Android and Google on the other hand did the opposite of what Apple did. Google encouraged their app developers to create one single app that supports both smartphones and tablets in the one physical app. Plus Google's Android supports all types of device sizes, and will even scale. All of that is NEEDED for foldables, and it is why we see 2 in 1 type foldables today from Samsung, Motorola, Oppo, Xiaomi, Huawei, and even up coming foldables like the Pixel Fold.
I will even bet big money that you will NEVER see Apple release a 2 in 1 type foldable device, like the Galaxy Z Fold 3. If you were hoping for an iPhone that could unfold to an iPad, then you will be waiting forever. Think about it. Apple claims to have 500,000 iPad specific apps, that is 500,000 iPad apps that will not run on an iPhone screen. Apple would have to get their developers to now merge their iPad apps into their iPhone apps. That is going to take a ton of time for all the iOS developers to modify their apps to be able to run on a 2 in 1 type foldable.
Agreed. A foldable iPad would probably make a lot more sense. Just imagine an iPad (when unfolded) with DOUBLE the screen area... a screen real estate rivaling the size of large laptops. Now THAT would be a compelling feature, and it makes a lot more sense over a foldable-clunky heavy phone.
And because iPad is not Apple's "sacred revenue cow".... but mostly a side hobby (like HomePod or AppleTV).... they can actually afford to experiment any kind of potential frankenstein-failure with the iPad. A foldable iPad might be a failure, but the failure does little to stain the iPhone's reputation (the iPhone being the sacred revenue cow). Or the folding iPad could be an unlikely success! In which case, Apple gets emboldened to expand their foldable device offerings....
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Really? And what is this?
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We’re talking about some fairly advanced technology, where it will be expensive to engineer, design and produce something of this magnitude for a folding device of 20 inches. How could you possibly say this wouldn’t be ‘adding into the value’, when there’s really nothing even like this on the market, and we don’t know what the potential product like this could have or potentially offer additionally to the consumer.
When we’re discussing future products that may not necessarily have relevance to you, I don’t understand why people have to be so shortsighted. We know it will be an expensive product, we know Apple will charge a higher price tag, we know not everybody will be able to afford this product, but it doesn’t mean there’s not a demographic that would not be interested in a product like this if it’s executed properly. What’s so difficult about taking into consideration this product has loads of potential.
If you’re this over critical this early in the game, then you never would’ve considered this product even if the price tag would met your expectations, given that you’re not someone that fully understand how this potentially would add ‘value to the experience’.
A foldable Mac without a touch screen is stupid. A foldable Mac screen with a touch screen could be a benefit. Apple and their M1 Mac being able to run iPhone apps is stupid on a non touch screen Mac, period. Also foldables like the Galaxy Z Fold 3 is great, because that is both a smartphone and a tablet in one physical device. That kind of device is most definitely a benefit to anyone that has used a 2 in 1 foldable device.
Apple is good at fixing category pain point and for a foldable screen the pain point is screen crease.
By launching a Macbook with foldable screen, Apple can focus on perfecting the hinge without making any screen crease. Another benefit is that Apple will have more time to sort out iOS interface issues on a foldable iPhone where rotation, folded screen, unfolded screen, multiple screen size could add more complexity.
The foldable Macbook form factor could be like Asus ZenBook Duo. Then we might be seeing features like Touch Bar/Touch Screen Macbook/Apple Pencil compatible.
By launching a Macbook with foldable screen, Apple can focus on perfecting the hinge without making any screen crease. Another benefit is that Apple will have more time to sort out iOS interface issues on a foldable iPhone where rotation, folded screen, unfolded screen, multiple screen size could add more complexity.
The foldable Macbook form factor could be like Asus ZenBook Duo. Then we might be seeing features like Touch Bar/Touch Screen Macbook/Apple Pencil compatible.
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It's the logical extension of the emoji keyboard. That one broke down as to be unusable in a few months. This one will be unusable from day one.
Edit: Or let's try again. How to make a self contained portable device non portable? Oh right, add a requirement for an external keyboard.
Edit: Or let's try again. How to make a self contained portable device non portable? Oh right, add a requirement for an external keyboard.
They sure have a “one more thing” add on…why someone would like an extra step in the iteration with your phone is beyond my understanding.
There’s that pathological tech pursuit again...
iPad Pro has perfectly demonstrated that you cannot touch-type on a touch screen. It’s an utterly enraging experience to try to use anything remotely like touch-typing on the thing’s on-screen keyboard.
The two concepts (touch-typing and touch screens) aren’t remotely the same, despite the similar wording.
iPad Pro has perfectly demonstrated that you cannot touch-type on a touch screen. It’s an utterly enraging experience to try to use anything remotely like touch-typing on the thing’s on-screen keyboard.
The two concepts (touch-typing and touch screens) aren’t remotely the same, despite the similar wording.
The iPad will be the test bed for foldable.
It's a lower volume product compared to the iPhone, and there is an actual excuse to fold it, ie. to make it smaller when you want to store it or carry it. Plus there's no need for IP68 rating.
It's a lower volume product compared to the iPhone, and there is an actual excuse to fold it, ie. to make it smaller when you want to store it or carry it. Plus there's no need for IP68 rating.
I did consider that but the machine I bought was a Compaq and that is what is shown. It was a great PC with an excellent screen, and built like a tank, but it weighed a ton and cost thousands with the setup I specified. I did the last year of or my undergraduate work on it and the first year of my PhD, but one look at the Mac+ and associated productivity software and programming software convinced me that switching to Apple was a no-brainer. So I sold the Compaq to a serious writer who used it to churn out books for 15 years or so. He mourned the machine's final demise (the screen went), as did I. The Compaq was a great machine - they don't make computers that robust any more because things are changing so fast that obsolescence is a greater threat than failure.
Apple is never going to release a foldable phone, and this years long "delay" is only further proof that they aren't finding a real use for it, or it can't done well.
It's a solution in search of a problem. A fad. Nothing more. In a few years when Apple still doesn't have one, Samsung and others will give up on them also. You'll see.
It's a solution in search of a problem. A fad. Nothing more. In a few years when Apple still doesn't have one, Samsung and others will give up on them also. You'll see.
Ever since Apple introduced the butterfly keyboard, I had the idea that they were trying to train their customers to accept flat keyboards. I don't see the foldable working like the mockup suggests. However, I do see it looking more like a screen that has a flexible screen material on top of the LCD that allows you to feel like you are pressing a button while at the same time being able to see through it. But I think that when we hear this kind of information we are hearing what the final iteration looks like. There are years involved in getting there. The touchbar was one of the first steps, the touch ID button on macbooks as well.
Personally I would be much happier if Apple made screens as big as chicklets and had a keyboard full of individual screens that function as one. I don't need them to be touch sensitive, they simply need to be screens that change as the app changes or after pressing the function button to see hidden keyboards for those tho don't need to type but do need to access functions of the app quickly. If the screen was under the keyboard holes we have now you could make bumps of some type of rubber on top of it that flex but you can clearly see through. But the flex would be so small that it would feel like a butterfly keyboard.
Personally I would be much happier if Apple made screens as big as chicklets and had a keyboard full of individual screens that function as one. I don't need them to be touch sensitive, they simply need to be screens that change as the app changes or after pressing the function button to see hidden keyboards for those tho don't need to type but do need to access functions of the app quickly. If the screen was under the keyboard holes we have now you could make bumps of some type of rubber on top of it that flex but you can clearly see through. But the flex would be so small that it would feel like a butterfly keyboard.
