Report: Apple Focusing on OLED Rather Than Foldable iPad

[scorpio vega]

Maybe irrelevant to you, but to the market, no.

The market hasn't spoken lmao. You acr as if they are outselling OTHER phones. They are popular, yes because the idea is still new and "cool"

Windows phones also were selling well for a new OS/device for its time (even outselling iPhones and Androids in some places). And we quickly saw that they died out. Foldables have android behind them. But this is not the first time fads in Android were popular then died (see: 3D phones and 3D screens).

I rather like smaller in my pocket.

Good for you

 

[scorpio vega]

although I'd say the same thing about the Vision Pro.

Vision Pro is far more innovative in my opinion than a foldable galaxy.

Personally I've never argued that foldables were going to take over, if anything I feel they are a highly imperfect solution to have a larger screen and much too expensive to get a foothold in today's market. My only gripe has been the "solution in search of a problem" brigade who refuses to see that millions of consumers to indeed use them to solve the problem of carrying around a tablet sized screen.

Your foldable friend above sure seems to think they are
I can think of many things that millions chose to use in the past decade that seemed interesting or even cool at first that quickly proved to be gimmicks and waste of money.

Apple has always been conservative(in the last 10 years) and I appreciate and applaud that vs jumping onto every trend to say they were the first. One of the many issues with Google/Samsung and Android.

 

[Surf Monkey]

With all the time they're waiting for with regards to foldables, I'm sure their implementation of it will be pretty much perfect.

I think we’d hope for something very different from what we’ve seen other makers do, but I no longer believe that Apple has the necessary design talent to do it.

 

[spinedoc77]

Vision Pro is far more innovative in my opinion than a foldable galaxy.

Your foldable friend above sure seems to think they are
I can think of many things that millions chose to use in the past decade that seemed interesting or even cool at first that quickly proved to be gimmicks and waste of money.

Apple has always been conservative(in the last 10 years) and I appreciate and applaud that vs jumping onto every trend to say they were the first. One of the many issues with Google/Samsung and Android.

I would temper my comments with my belief that if Apple did come out with a foldable it would be an instant hit, again just my personal belief/opinion. The Vision Pro isn't innovative at all, it's just a glorified VR headset. I do think we will move into a space where headsets like the Vision Pro will be important, but not until they shrink them down, although I think there is definitely a case for them in certain industries, just not for the general consumer.

 

[ThaGoochiestMane]

Not even that, foldables are fast approaching the thinness of smartphones even when folded. Were talking just a few mm here and that gap gets less with each generation.

Exactly. I have my iPhone 12 Pro (in the silicon case) next to my Surface Duo 2 right now and the Duo is only (maybe) 1-2mm thicker.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I would temper my comments with my belief that if Apple did come out with a foldable it would be an instant hit, again just my personal belief/opinion. The Vision Pro isn't innovative at all, it's just a glorified VR headset. I do think we will move into a space where headsets like the Vision Pro will be important, but not until they shrink them down, although I think there is definitely a case for them in certain industries, just not for the general consumer.

The innovation in the VP is about the eye tracking and hand gesture interface, not the hardware.

But the idea that it’s going to be a consumer device on par with iPhone or even iPad is absurd.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Exactly. I have my iPhone 12 Pro (in the silicon case) next to my Surface Duo 2 right now and the Duo is only (maybe) 1-2mm thicker.

I doubt Apple will do a simple fold. I think they’re more likely to go with a roll than a fold.

Motorola’s Rizr is back as a concept phone with a rollable screen | TechCrunch

The concept is not entirely dissimilar from foldables, in that it’s screen technology designed to fit more phones in less space.

techcrunch.com

Fold isn’t “magical.” Roll is.

 

[spinedoc77]

The innovation in the VP is about the eye tracking and hand gesture interface, not the hardware.

But the idea that it’s going to be a consumer device on par with iPhone or even iPad is absurd.

I don't think the Vision Pro would be as it stands today, but I could see an iteration which was boiled down to a light set of glasses or even contact lenses be a huge hit. Of course that's admittedly a hell of a lot of dreaming and crystal ball waving.

 

[bobcomer]

Personally I've never argued that foldables were going to take over, if anything I feel they are a highly imperfect solution to have a larger screen and much too expensive to get a foothold in today's market. My only gripe has been the "solution in search of a problem" brigade who refuses to see that millions of consumers to indeed use them to solve the problem of carrying around a tablet sized screen.

I don't think they'll take over either, but I'm happy they continue to be available, and getting better all the time, because they do work really well for me. And there's enough people that it works for and will buy them for them to just die out in a couple of years.

 

[spinedoc77]

I doubt Apple will do a simple fold. I think they’re more likely to go with a roll than a fold.

Motorola’s Rizr is back as a concept phone with a rollable screen | TechCrunch

The concept is not entirely dissimilar from foldables, in that it’s screen technology designed to fit more phones in less space.

techcrunch.com

Fold isn’t “magical.” Roll is.

Roll is nice, but has its own set of problems. Are you really going to wait a few seconds every single time you want to open/close the phone? Now I'll really start to wonder about the durability, etc. But still this raises the point I have made for years now, it may not be foldables, but some technology will advance the desire consumers have for LARGER screens.

 

[bobcomer]

The market hasn't spoken lmao.

It sure has, people are buying them, and more every year than the last.

 

[bobcomer]

Vision Pro is far more innovative in my opinion than a foldable galaxy.

It is, but it's also something I will never buy. No use case for me, and it really wouldn't work well for my eyes anyway.

Your foldable friend above sure seems to think they are

If you're talking about me, I never said it would, nor do I think that -- but it will continue to sell. At least until the next form factor that solves the bigger screen, smaller storage problem. Maybe rollables. I expect my watch will have some kind of big screen ability via hologram or something like it eventually, and that's probably where I'd want things to head. At least until I get a neural implant.

I'd never be stuck on one thing, I'm always looking towards the future.

 

[spinedoc77]

If you're talking about me, I never said it would, nor do I think that -- but it will continue to sell. At least until the next form factor that solves the bigger screen, smaller storage problem. Maybe rollables. I expect my watch will have some kind of big screen ability via hologram or something like it eventually, and that's probably where I'd want things to head. At least until I get a neural implant.

I'd never be stuck on one thing, I'm always looking towards the future.

THIS is actually what us foldable owners are saying, but somehow it gets extrapolated to us being Android Fanboys saying foldables will take over every single phone category for the next hundred years, or idiots who don't realize we aren't solving any problems by using foldables (hint my 6 year old easily sees the problem I'm solving).

 

[Realityck]

There probably isn't a viable foldable option that meets Apple's standards. I've played around with the Samsung Fold 5 and Flip, and the crease in the display is unbearable. It's always there. I can never imagine Apple accepting that level of compromise.

A iPad in a decent protective case can survive a lot of drops or physical abuse. I can't see a foldable design being comparable as far as ruggedness. That thought of Apple accepting something more fragile seems not their style.

 

[0339327]

Because there are plenty of other companies who play the “and” game, throwing literally every technological advantage at a product or series of products and hoping that it takes off.
Samsung being the easiest example, they have made basically every kind of smartphone imaginable and yet, despite some of these phones having some incredible technology, tons of it has just been abandoned over the years because no one wanted it or liked it.

1. Your answer indicates that you misunderstood what I'm asking.
2. It appears you do not fully understand the business concept of the and.

Basically, I'm not asking about folding iPhones. I'm asking about the idea that a trillion dollar corporation struggles to focus on multiple product categories at the same time, pulling engineers from one project to another. This has played out time and time for a while now and is frustrating for the consumer.

 

[0339327]

It’s more to do with the attention span of the general public.

Apple doesn’t like to dilute the marketing message by dividing the customer base’s attention between different technologies.

I'm not asking about that. I'm asking why Apple has to pull engineers from project to project instead of having dedicated teams, properly staffed, to focus on all their product categories simultaneously.

Why, for example, did Apple wake up with ChatGPT and start pulling engineers to work on this? Why will matured products suffer from a lack of staffing instead of having a dedicated team of engineers who are available to move around in different teams where extra, temporary staffing is needed?

 

[scorpio vega]

THIS is actually what us foldable owners are saying, but somehow it gets extrapolated to us being Android Fanboys saying

Well the last 2 weeks i have heard quite a bit from Android fans on an apple enthusiast site. you'll forgive me for mistaking your intent.

I'd never be stuck on one thing, I'm always looking towards the future.

I am as well. I also dont waste time on gimmicks and trends. Hence why i dont own a foldable. That and its OS.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I don't think the Vision Pro would be as it stands today, but I could see an iteration which was boiled down to a light set of glasses or even contact lenses be a huge hit. Of course that's admittedly a hell of a lot of dreaming and crystal ball waving.

Glasses won’t happen. Contacts are even less realistic.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Roll is nice, but has its own set of problems. Are you really going to wait a few seconds every single time you want to open/close the phone? Now I'll really start to wonder about the durability, etc. But still this raises the point I have made for years now, it may not be foldables, but some technology will advance the desire consumers have for LARGER screens.

Like I said: we’d expect Apple to do something different. Like a roll that flashes right out without delay.

My point is that folding is far from the only way Apple could and likely will employ flexible screens.

 

[scorpio vega]

I would temper my comments with my belief that if Apple did come out with a foldable it would be an instant hit, again just my personal belief/opinio

Finally you say something i can agree with

 

[Abazigal]

From the first day I joined Macrumours, I have noticed that Apple is constantly being graded on a curve, though to be fair, it's not a phenomenon confined solely to this forum (other placed, like Cnet, Engadget, even TheVerge tend to be overwhelmingly pessimistic about Apple's prospects). One thing that continues to puzzle me is why so many people like to claim that Apple needs to copy everything else the tech industry is doing, or it's falling behind and thus doomed?

First and foremost, Apple is just one company. I have never thought it was realistic to expect Apple to be everything to everyone, much less ape every single feature being worked on by every tech company in the industry. Smart speakers, touchscreen laptops, Netflix, chatGPT (and its growing number of clones), supposedly smart AI features that I see people crowing about in the Android phone section, even folding screens.

For an industry that was expected to put Apple in its place, that sure have been a lot of fails, flops, and disappointments over the last decade or two. But there seems to be zero awareness and self-reflection going on in this regard. Do so many people here genuinely believe that these represent (or at one point, represented) the future of technology, or they just desperately want to have something to mock and ridicule Apple over? The easiest way to argue that Apple is no longer innovating is to point to something another company is doing that Apple isn't. The implication is that Apple is lagging behind simply because they aren't hopping on every bandwagon out there.

But Apple does a lot of things differently, and if all you are doing is simply comparing Apple to everyone else and then go “Hey, Apple isn’t following what everyone else is doing, so I don’t think whatever Apple is doing is going to work”, I think they go down the wrong path. That Apple doesn't have the practice of aimlessly launches new products and features for no other reason than to say they are first is to me, is a a strength, and one of the chief reasons I use Apple products.

I would like to think that given Apple's track record at this point, more people would attempt to study, understand, describe and teach what makes Apple tick, not deny that it is happening.

Genuinely perplexing.

 

[scorpio vega]

Genuinely perplexing.

What is even more perplexing is the people bragging about and demanding open everything like Android because they dont think one company like Apple should be a monopoly ( it is not) but are quite fine with Google literally being a monopoly on the internet so long as it fits their needs the way they see fit

 

[bobcomer]

I also dont waste time on gimmicks and trends.

One mans gimmick is another man's gold. (in usefulness.)

 

[scorpio vega]

One mans gimmick is another man's gold. (in usefulness.)

And one man's meat is another man's poison. (example: Android)

 

[bobcomer]

And one man's meat is another man's poison. (example: Android)

Exactly.