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The displays used in a television and used in phones and tablets aren’t always comparable.
One of them is a big device with much bigger pixels that’s constantly being powered directly from the wall.
The other is a 6-7 mm thin rectangle with millions and millions of tiny tiny pixels packed into it, that’s still supposed to operate on battery power for several hours.
Of course, but I haven’t heard of anything that causes particular difficulties in the middle range. As far as I know, it is primarily a question of economies of scale. Smartphones, tablets, laptops and TVs sell in larger numbers than higher-end desktop monitors.

Aside from that, a foldable tablet that is 13” folded would be around 18” unfolded, which isn’t that much bigger than existing OLED laptops.

And as far as power usage is concerned, it is proportional to the surface area, as is battery size and capacity. You’d only run into problems if you’d want to make the tablet significantly thinner unfolded than current devices, and the iPad Air is already quite thin at 6.1 mm.
 
as they should. folding phones are gimmicks. all it does is sacrifice the UX of a very common use case to solve a minor use case problem.
Making an object fit into a pocket doesn't seem like a minor use case. When we transitioned from feature phones to smartphones, losing the ability to fit easily into pretty much any pocket, and get the phone easily in and out, was the thing I most regretted.
 
Making an object fit into a pocket doesn't seem like a minor use case. When we transitioned from feature phones to smartphones, losing the ability to fit easily into pretty much any pocket, and get the phone easily in and out, was the thing I most regretted.

I also don't understand this at all. How does this affect the user experience (UX)? Use it closed and it's exactly the same user experience as any other smartphone. Open it up and you have a larger screen. Close it up again...see point 1.
 
Samsung has had OLED displays in their tablets since 2014. Apple's sitting around, scratching their heads for years wondering how to accomplish it? It's not rocket science. My Samsung Tab S8 has a beautiful AMOLED display and cost me $250 in 2022 and included a free keyboard cover. Just had to trade in an old obsolete iPhone XR. You can bet when Apple gets around to it, it'll only be in the iPad Pro line and will be north of $1000.
Apple has had OLED in their phones since 2017. Apple wasn’t wondering how to have OLED in the iPads, they just decided not to.
 
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What the iPad Pro really needs:
  1. Mac OS
  2. OLED
Wow. So easy. I'll actually buy one immediately. Otherwise, it's still just an upscaled iPhone with Pen support XD.
 
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2. The flex cable. No one has found a way to make an unbreakable one like laptop flex cable, to my bewilderment.
Why would the display cable need to fold? Unlike a laptop, the folding screen is also on the same side of the hinge as the motherboard; thats what it looks like in the Samsung Fold iFixit teardown. But even if the display cable did need to fold, why wouldn’t they just use the same cable design that laptops use.
 
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as they should. folding phones are gimmicks. all it does is sacrifice the UX of a very common use case to solve a minor use case problem.
I'm confused as to what use case it sacrifices the UX for (and how exactly it does that)?

The only thing I can think it'd be sacrificing is maybe the single screen experience. Even then, that seems like it'd only really be affecting the UX by increasing device thickness?
 
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Wow. Two foldables. May I see the photo of your phones? I want to confirm that you indeed possess those two beautiful devices, and your honesty.
I can't speak to foldables, but I can attest that have the ability to run 2 apps simultaneously is so nice that I might always need such a device. I have a Surface Duo 2 and it's amazing.

My phone is still an iPhone, but around the house I prefer to carry the Duo because of the ability to use it in different "postures."

It feels more natural for reading (on) Kindle, it offers a more desktop-like experience when browsing mail, and I can flip it and have a full screen keyboard if need be. Not to mention the ability to use one display to watch something and the other display to do anything else (in landscape or portrait) is my single favorite aspect. Picture-in-picture isn't even really necessary when you have 2 screens.
 
I'm confused as to what use case it sacrifices the UX for (and how exactly it does that)?

The only thing I can think it'd be sacrificing is maybe the single screen experience. Even then, that seems like it'd only really be affecting the UX by increasing device thickness?

many UX compromises (particular to the fold 4)
-front cover camera is a lower quality camera. you need to open the screen to access the higher quality front camera
-single handed UX on cover screen is compromised by the form factor (narrow/taller form)
-thickness/weight
-the main screen suffers from the crease. so you can either watch the movie on the cover screen which is a weird aspect ratio or watch it with the crease
-managing windows across displays isn't straightforward
 
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I don't really agree. True they aren't the most sold, but there's a lot of them sold and almost every big phone maker now has one except Apple. They're still selling YoY everywhere. So definitely not dying out!

A lot of chroembooks are sold as well but chroembooks are largely irrelevant. Android tablets are also still technically prevalaent but again nowhere as prevalent.

So i guess I shouldnt say die out. They simply won't ever be relevant and I very unlikely see a case where people want foldables as mainstream and it not be something tech enthusiasts want (look at the Android fans salivating over them lol). Even if Apple does make one.
I never had one, it was too big for me. It was very innovative for it's time though.
Not at all really. It was literally 2 screens on one phone lmao. Android was barely the average at best software it is now that it was then (terrible lol). Just like the Dell Streak 5 (yes, Dell made Android phones and even windows phones lol) was the first phablet Android and a terrible one until the Galaxy Note came out(also terrible till about its 2nd or 3rd generation).
Now that's funny.
Glad I can offer amusement.
With all the time they're waiting for with regards to foldables, I'm sure their implementation of it will be pretty much perfect.

Apple's "Lateness" usually implies it is near perfect. Though I can't wait to hear the android fans response at apple doing something "late"yet for the years advantage they have had a feature, it's implementation is always done better on IOS lol.

Oh, there is an exploit for android. I don't think they patched it yet. I used it on my niece's phone a couple weeks ago.
That does not surprise me at all. Even if they do patch it on Android, you have to hope you actually run an updated version. Android 14 JUST came out so its hard to tell but only about 38 percent of all Android devices are running Android 13 (which came out last year). Which is pathetic.

Especially if you look at android 10-12 from 2019-2021 collectively make up more than both Android 13 and likely whatever miniscule marketshare android 14 will have combined.

So even if it does get patched, most android phones wont get the patch lol. But that is the nature of owning an Android. A highly fragmented and outdated device unless you're the 2 percent who buys Galaxy or Pixel.
 
It’s no different than other people posting justifications to not buy one…which no one asked for either.
No one really needs the justification for buying one. THey will regardless. I suppose for Android, it is a unique device. It really is a waste of money in my opinion.

Again, Android OEMs should focus on making android tablets actually useful aka devices they already make vs gimmicks but i digress.
 
I'm confused as to what use case it sacrifices the UX for (and how exactly it does that)?

The only thing I can think it'd be sacrificing is maybe the single screen experience. Even then, that seems like it'd only really be affecting the UX by increasing device thickness?

Not even that, foldables are fast approaching the thinness of smartphones even when folded. Were talking just a few mm here and that gap gets less with each generation.
 
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Not even that, foldables are fast approaching the thinness of smartphones even when folded. Were talking just a few mm here and that gap gets less with each generation.
Well i hope that they stay the niche devices they are (likely) and not become something mainstream.

Apple want to bring something back, I'd rather they focus on reinventing the keyboard phone. Nobody asked for flip phones in 2023 but as we see there are a small subset of people who use them (less than 1 percent of Android devices) so might as well bring a format nobody asked for and see how apple can reinvent the wheel.

Although, I also would rather Apple focus on listening to their users who adored and miss the mini and figure a way to bring their Pro stuff to minis before they do anything gimmicky like foldables. There are/were far more iPhone 12 and 13 mini users combined than current Android foldables lmao.
 
A lot of chroembooks are sold as well but chroembooks are largely irrelevant. Android tablets are also still technically prevalaent but again nowhere as prevalent.
Maybe irrelevant to you, but to the market, no.

So i guess I shouldnt say die out. They simply won't ever be relevant and I very unlikely see a case where people want foldables as mainstream and it not be something tech enthusiasts want (look at the Android fans salivating over them lol). Even if Apple does make one.
No, you shouldn't say die, not when they sell more and more every year, but again, irrelevant to *you*, not the market. I for one want foldables, so very relevant to me too. I rather like smaller in my pocket.
 
many UX compromises (particular to the fold 4)
-front cover camera is a lower quality camera. you need to open the screen to access the higher quality front camera
-single handed UX on cover screen is compromised by the form factor (narrow/taller form)
-thickness/weight
-the main screen suffers from the crease. so you can either watch the movie on the cover screen which is a weird aspect ratio or watch it with the crease
-managing windows across displays isn't straightforward

What? Firstly you are commenting on last generation's Fold without regard to other foldables out there. Both Google and OnePlus have released foldables with form factors similar to smartphones, more so OnePlus. Thickness/weight isn't really an issue anymore, I wish people would get their heads out of 2021 and look up specs, we're talking a few mm here when folded shut and maybe 10-20 grams. The crease isn't a UX issue, most don't notice it but I never go as far as to say it's not an issue for some, no argument there, but it's still not a UX issue. Watching movies with letterboxing isn't a UX issue either, you just use the maximum the screen allows, if you want to say that's an issue you can include the iPhone's island either getting in the way or forcing letterboxing as an issue as well. Managing windows across displays (hint it's one big display) is also VERY smooth on Samsung, Google has done an ok job, and from what I've read/watched OnePlus has done a pretty good job as well, I'm just going to assume you haven't used one for any length of time (or at all).
 
The minor use case is needing an expanded square screen

Why? Do you think people ONLY watch 16:9 content on their phones and don't use the millions of apps on the app store, play the thousands of games which reformat their aspect ratio's just fine, read books, take pictures and video, I could keep going on and on. A large square screen is still better, in my personal opinion and use case, than a small rectangle screen any day of the week, and if it wasn't all I have to do is fold the phone and get a rectangular screen.
 
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Well i hope that they stay the niche devices they are (likely) and not become something mainstream.

Apple want to bring something back, I'd rather they focus on reinventing the keyboard phone. Nobody asked for flip phones in 2023 but as we see there are a small subset of people who use them (less than 1 percent of Android devices) so might as well bring a format nobody asked for and see how apple can reinvent the wheel.

Although, I also would rather Apple focus on listening to their users who adored and miss the mini and figure a way to bring their Pro stuff to minis before they do anything gimmicky like foldables. There are/were far more iPhone 12 and 13 mini users combined than current Android foldables lmao.

That's totally valid if you want them to stay a niche device as a business decision and don't necessarily disagree with you as an Apple shareholder, although I'd say the same thing about the Vision Pro. From a consumer pov I think differently and have just stopped buying Apple products.

Personally I've never argued that foldables were going to take over, if anything I feel they are a highly imperfect solution to have a larger screen and much too expensive to get a foothold in today's market. My only gripe has been the "solution in search of a problem" brigade who refuses to see that millions of consumers to indeed use them to solve the problem of carrying around a tablet sized screen.

Edit: Just reread and saw that part about a keyboard phone, eww lol, hell no.
 
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