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Tagbert

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Let me guess, it will only work on the A17 and later processors? They need a reason for people to buy the new phone, and bigger image sensors and bezels that are .05mm thinner aren't doing the trick anymore.

You would be wise to wait for the iPhone 17. Not even Apple can put together a stable AI platform in a matter of months. Even if they buy a patented technology, it will take time to incorporate and build Siri back from the ground up.
It only works on devices with 8GB of RAM minimum. that is why it works with the iPhone 15 Pro, the M-series iPads, and the M-series Macs. Any phone older topped out at 6GB. When the iPhone 15 was going into final specs 2+ years ago, the idea of running AI on a mobile device was crazy talk.
 

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Ok, so what will happen to the current iOS 18.0 betas then, currently in DB4? Will they get scrapped and replaced with 18.1 DB1 next week or what? And what about Public Betas then? Confusing… 🤷🏻‍♂️
Maybe they are going the route they did with IOS 16. Just jump right to .1 for the betas and then that will be the "launch" skipping .0?
 

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What is the good OS out there, then? Please enlighten us.
Listen, I get you may be a die-hard for apple, but their software has been a mess for awhile (this also isn't to say other OS's do not have their issues). This is talking about apple software. Don't get upset or offended, if you use apple you should want them to improve their software.

Siri is the worst out of all of them (and apple has made it worse since they bought it years ago, hence why they are rushing to the AI train in hopes of making it suck less).
 

Realityck

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Ok, so what will happen to the current iOS 18.0 betas then, currently in DB4? Will they get scrapped and replaced with 18.1 DB1 next week or what? And what about Public Betas then? Confusing… 🤷🏻‍♂️
They should be able to run both concurrently. Aren't we doing that with 17.6 wrapping up soon and 18.0 beta cycle that concludes in Sept? The question now might be is 17.6 the EOL except for patches on occasion for the next 2 years?
 

ThatsMeRight

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The way things are moving in the tech world right now, AI will probably have lost its luster by October. 😂
Have you tried any AI solutions? ChatGPT's paid subscriptions are extremely good already and just in the last 12 months already has become exponentially better. Microsoft's Copilot is very good as well.

I know for many people it's still a bit of a 'buzz word'. I understand that, because a lot of companies that are introducing 'AI tools' are just calling it AI for the sake of marketing. But, for example, the real large language models are already very, very good.

Look behind the hype and shady tools some companies are offering. There are some really good tools out there and a companies like Alphabet and Apple should be rightly worried. In the past year, my usage of Google has rapidly decreased for example. It's not that I don't have questions or that I am not looking for information. What has happened is that some of my usage shifted from Google to some AI tools.

It's only a matter of time before these tools become more accessible and easier to use for regular people. If companies like Google, Alphabet, Apple or Microsoft aren't providing these tools, than they'll lose lots of customers in the next decade. Of course, again, look past the 'hyped up' and 'shady' AI tools that a lot of companies are trying to sell as AI.
 

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Ok, so what will happen to the current iOS 18.0 betas then, currently in DB4? Will they get scrapped and replaced with 18.1 DB1 next week or what? And what about Public Betas then? Confusing… 🤷🏻‍♂️
Maybe release PB this week and then 18.1 for devs the following week?
 

KurtWilde

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Didn't they do this the other year? They had two beta tracks? Caused all sorts of issues at launch for people who got a new iPhone that was on the beta because they couldn't restore from their "newer" version?

Similar things have definitely happened a few years, maybe not .1 update but betas not perfectly aligning with RC on street date hardware
 
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ThatsMeRight

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I remember SJ and the iPhone (You're Holding It Wrong) 4.
Do you remember this:
? It is the 'iPhone 4 antenna song' where the gist of the song is: if you don't like iPhone 4, don't buy it or return it.

Apple faced enormous backlash and it's one of the few times in their history where they basically were forced to respond and do some very public damage control. They kicked off their 'damage control press conference' by playing this song.
 

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They should be able to run both concurrently. Aren't we doing that with 17.6 wrapping up soon and 18.0 beta cycle that concludes in Sept? The question now might be is 17.6 the EOL except for patches on occasion?

Ok, so basically iOS 18.1 betas will equal 18.0 betas + AI bits. Surely then, everyone whose device will support AI will be going for iOS 18.1 betas, dropping away from iOS 18.0. A strange beta cycle indeed.
 

antiprotest

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I am not the least bit surprised. Every high profile feature these days gets delayed. Better to get it right.
Getting it right is a bearable excuse if the delay is not exaggerated and if they actually get it right upon release, but at least in recent years, Apple never does. By now, they are already almost two years behind in AI release, and they never get major features right on release even after exaggerated delays. I expect at least some AI major features to be delayed even beyond October, Siri probably delayed til Summer, and they still won't get any of it right. But since I am an Apple user, I am still rooting for Apple, and I am always hoping for pleasant surprises.
 

ignatius345

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Listen, I get you may be a die-hard for apple, but their software has been a mess for awhile (this also isn't to say other OS's do not have their issues). This is talking about apple software. Don't get upset or offended, if you use apple you should want them to improve their software.

Siri is the worst out of all of them (and apple has made it worse since they bought it years ago, hence why they are rushing to the AI train in hopes of making it suck less).

Yeah, Siri is a mess, has been for years. Everyone acknowledges that. There have been some basic issues in the way it's designed that make it hard/impossible to improve, and they've absolutely hit a wall years ago.

But outside of Siri? I work 40 hours+ a week on a Mac, and spend god knows how many more hours on my iPhone and Apple TV -- and they work brilliantly. Are there bugs? Sure. There will always be bugs. But I've been using Macs for decades, and I find they're more reliable now (hardware side and software side) than they were 10 years ago, and definitely more reliable than 20 years ago. MacOS used to be straight up unstable. I used to hard-reboot from something or other several times a month, if not more. I can't even remember off the top of my head the last time I had to force a restart. (Hell, I was helping my mom with her old MacBook Air, and her uptime was like two years because she opens it, uses it, and closes it again and never restarts. Real unstable software, huh?)

Same with my iPhone. Rock solid. I rarely if ever power it down, and it just does what it's supposed to day after day after day. If I have an issue, it's 99% of the time some third-party app that's not doing what it's supposed to. Not saying it's perfect, but if you're waiting for software to be perfect, I have a feeling you're gonna be waiting around a while.
 

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Maybe they are going the route they did with IOS 16. Just jump right to .1 for the betas and then that will be the "launch" skipping .0?

I guess they will limit iOS 18.1 to devices that will actually be able to support the AI - so currently only iPhone 15 Pros and M1 iPads and newer. All the other devices will stay on iOS 18.0 beta stream.
 
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