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The AI bubble will collapse in a few years, maybe sooner. LLMs/GPTs are overhyped for what they offer, and if you follow the research consensus is building that for any further advances towards AGI we need a new fundamental technology shift that might take many years to be discovered.

Without question AI will be part of our lives in the future, but like the dotcom-bubble, things can become severely overvalued.

For Apple, maybe they're lucky that they are 'behind'.

Agree. I've been following and studying AI since I was an undergrade in the late 1970s

Even back in the day, there was this term called "Vanishing AI". It meant that when someone creates software that does something that seems to be intelligent, such as playing chess (well) or making medical diagnoses or whatever, then later we look inside and see it is not intelligent at all, but just a clever algorithm, the AI vanishes, and it becomes "just basic computer science."

When LLMs emerged, I was astounded at how well they worked. They seemed on the surface to act intelligently. But I knew how neural networks were trained and how they worked, and knew "thinking" would be impossible with that technology. But it certainly gives the illusion of it. The explanation is simple: Training is actually a search through a billion+ dimensional space for the best way to store 200 trillion tons of data in a 20 billion ton box. Then we know from information theory that the best way to compress data is to remove as much redundancy as possible, leaving only rules and procedures for regenerating it.

So the current LLM-based AI "vanishes" when we can explain it as simply an inevitable result of regularization and compression.

But this is not to say the current technology is not useful. Just as useful as other computer science.

What will the next big revolution be? If I knew, you all would know my name, I'd be famous. But I think the clues about how real (not artificial) intelligence works are "Brain Waves". Humans and Animals have these echo-cycles in their brains that pass through many filters, and when they stop, they say we are "brain dead". That SHOULD be a huge clue. I think our "awareness" is stored in the echo, not in any physical object.

Who to store data in an echo? In the 50s, there was a proposal to transmit data in a radio signal and bounce it off the Moon, and a receiver would collect the data and send it via a long cable to the transmitter. The data would cycle forever, and the storage media would be just empty space. So we know with certainty that information can be stored without the need for physical media. Real AI will work kind of. like that. Figure out the details, and you will be famous.
 
Recent experience with Siri and Apple Intelligence reveals serious shortcomings that persist.

Viewing a video where an iPhone and Android phone placed side by side and asked the same question, revealed just how shockingly behind Apple is.

One wonders just how clueless Apple is about this massive failure. It’s hard to imagine it’s anything other than complacency if we take into consideration Apples record of success in other areas.

AI is not really ready, even OpenAI's GhatGPT still hallucinates badly! Apple does not like that! If Apple is so complacent then why does everyone want their AI people?
 
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Agree. I've been following and studying AI since I was an undergrade in the late 1970s

Even back in the day, there was this term called "Vanishing AI". It meant that when someone creates software that does something that seems to be intelligent, such as playing chess (well) or making medical diagnoses or whatever, then later we look inside and see it is not intelligent at all, but just a clever algorithm, the AI vanishes, and it becomes "just basic computer science."

When LLMs emerged, I was astounded at how well they worked. They seemed on the surface to act intelligently. But I knew how neural networks were trained and how they worked, and knew "thinking" would be impossible with that technology. But it certainly gives the illusion of it. The explanation is simple: Training is actually a search through a billion+ dimensional space for the best way to store 200 trillion tons of data in a 20 billion ton box. Then we know from information theory that the best way to compress data is to remove as much redundancy as possible, leaving only rules and procedures for regenerating it.

So the current LLM-based AI "vanishes" when we can explain it as simply an inevitable result of regularization and compression.

But this is not to say the current technology is not useful. Just as useful as other computer science.

What will the next big revolution be? If I knew, you all would know my name, I'd be famous. But I think the clues about how real (not artificial) intelligence works are "Brain Waves". Humans and Animals have these echo-cycles in their brains that pass through many filters, and when they stop, they say we are "brain dead". That SHOULD be a huge clue. I think our "awareness" is stored in the echo, not in any physical object.

Who to store data in an echo? In the 50s, there was a proposal to transmit data in a radio signal and bounce it off the Moon, and a receiver would collect the data and send it via a long cable to the transmitter. The data would cycle forever, and the storage media would be just empty space. So we know with certainty that information can be stored without the need for physical media. Real AI will work kind of. like that. Figure out the details, and you will be famous.
thanks for that insight. I think you are right about AI...but whatever we are calling it ....right now it's a critical feature set that apple must have because it's going to be expected by the majority of users going forward as just standard practice.
 
By this point I couldn't care less what Apple introduces. If they come up with something good, I'll buy it, but if Open AI offers a good product, I wouldn't say no to it. Apple is slowly morphing into Microsoft and seems to be genuinely losing its identity of "think different". Yes, I will probably get hate for this post, but I don't care. Someone has to say it. This company has gotten way too comfortable with tiny progress in their RnD for the most part.
 
Apple is a moloch without vision and ideas, isn't so Tim? Your persona is the handbrake. No wonder that people are jumping out from the slow rolling wagon..
 
AI is not really ready, even OpenAI's GhatGPT still hallucinates badly! Apple does not like that! If Apple is so complacent then why does everyone want their AI people?
Yes it’s true, AI is still an unknown with a questionable future.

Yet to remain competitive in today’s “AI space” as being promoted by Google and even Apple, they need to produce some results.

Something beyond loss of talent is holding Apple back. The decision maker, or makers aren’t performing. Perhaps they’re the complacent ones.

Loss of their AI engineers comes down to money and working conditions. This company has all the money so what’s the hold up?
 
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Apple is a moloch without vision and ideas, isn't so Tim? Your persona is the handbrake. No wonder that people are jumping out from the slow rolling wagon..

And yet Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers continue to purchase Apple products. Propelling Apple to being one of the most successful consumer tech companies in the world.
 
And yet Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers continue to purchase Apple products. Propelling Apple to being one of the most successful consumer tech companies in the world.
Yes, Apples success speaks for itself. So that leaves one wondering what their problem is when it comes to AI.

Something is very wrong, and it’s being kept a secret.
 
Yes, Apples success speaks for itself. So that leaves one wondering what their problem is when it comes to AI.

Something is very wrong, and it’s being kept a secret.

Almost everyone here has said they'll turn off AI as soon as Apple loads it on their phone. What I find amusing is all the hand-wringing over something that no one here wants. And will immediately turn off.

My view is Apple is developing their own privacy-focused AI, that'll run on its own AI servers (now being manufactured in Apple's 250,000 sq ft factory in Houston, Texas) that will be distributed across the US. And accessed by users with their iPhones and computers. That takes time.
 
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My view is Apple is developing their own privacy-focused AI, that'll run on its own AI servers
My view as a long time loyal Apple customer, user, shareholder is one of observer. An enthusiast having owned nearly every single iPhone model since the original in June 2007. Fully immersed in the ecosystem.

Interested in the company as a whole, the same company that spent a huge sum of money last year promoting the very iPhone 16 Pro Max I own as "Built For Apple Intelligence". The very company that is touting something that's woefully lagging behind the competition.

When one goes to: Settings / Apple Intelligence & Siri and enables those, the same poorly performing Siri and now Apple Intelligence are inextricably linked with little to show for it.

All this talk of on/device processing and privacy causes one to wonder when it might produce beneficial results to match the company's bravado.
 
My view as a long time loyal Apple customer, user, shareholder is one of observer. An enthusiast having owned nearly every single iPhone model since the original in June 2007. Fully immersed in the ecosystem.

Interested in the company as a whole, the same company that spent a huge sum of money last year promoting the very iPhone 16 Pro Max I own as "Built For Apple Intelligence". The very company that is touting something that's woefully lagging behind the competition.

When one goes to: Settings / Apple Intelligence & Siri and enables those, the same poorly performing Siri and now Apple Intelligence are inextricably linked with little to show for it.

All this talk of on/device processing and privacy causes one to wonder when it might produce beneficial results to match the company's bravado.

"All this talk of on/device processing and privacy causes one to wonder when it might produce beneficial results to match the company's bravado."

I'm guessing when Apple's AI servers are manufactured and deployed. Perhaps in 2027.
 
Recent experience with Siri and Apple Intelligence reveals serious shortcomings that persist.

Viewing a video where an iPhone and Android phone placed side by side and asked the same question, revealed just how shockingly behind Apple is.

One wonders just how clueless Apple is about this massive failure. It’s hard to imagine it’s anything other than complacency if we take into consideration Apples record of success in other areas.
I’d be willing to wager that whatever AI is running on Android could be set up on the iPhone and give the same results. Could ask some questions on Android and then refer to those answers using the iPhone app.

So, Apple Intelligence being behind doesn’t even matter, there’s no AI vendor that’s not working to ensure iPhone users can get access to their stuff.
 
Someone in the 9to5Mac comments said "Steve would be rolling in his grave because Jony turned his back on Apple."

Mr. Ive didn't turn his back on Apple. He turned his back on Timothy.
 
Jony Ive should be the CEO of Apple as far as I am concerned. Apple should buy OpenAI and set him up to become the eventual CEO. He is the one who embodied the magic of Jobs. There are a lot of smart people who can do Operations like what Cook has done, but there are very few people who can create unique products and designs like Ive. It would be a bit like a Jobs 2.0 story to have him come back via OpenAI just like Jobs came back from the acquisition of Next.
Agreed but Sam Altman should be the CEO …
 
And yet Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers continue to purchase Apple products. Propelling Apple to being one of the most successful consumer tech companies in the world.

There was a time when we lauded Apple for their attention to detail, their thoughtful user interfaces, their hassle-free maintenance.

In the Cook era, their only positive trait seems to be "look at how much money they're generating for their billionaire shareholders".
 
Tim Apple spends too much time with Hollywood airheads instead of driving innovation for a company that was created for just that. Tim should sit down and watch episodes of “Silicon Valley” and particularly the episode where they invent the new internet. Couldn’t be any worse than how they operate now. I write this as a long supporter, fan and buyer of the Apple ecosystem system. Today it’s not new, not inspirational and not ground breaking. Just the same old thing but in a new colour.

AI won’t be as innovative in the next 5 years once all th LLM’s have been written, then AI will take over the next stage and all those highly paid EV polishers won’t have a job. Someone still has to invent the next level hardware for the future. It won’t be coders, it’ll be the artists like Steve Jobs was.
 
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I retired from a huge, multinational corporation a few years ago. I witnessed the talent depart for truly greener pastures, saw numerous talented individuals let go, and observed a significant amount of our internal IT work being outsourced to another country, where citizens of that nation gradually assumed C-suite level positions within the company. I observed an engineer being selected as CEO, and he and the board made decisions that prioritized the shareholders over the customers and employees.

I watched all that 'new' talent make poor purchasing decisions that negatively impacted the network and the company. As long as the quarterly dividends were high, no one cared, other than us rank-and-file employees.

I see Apple has gone down the same path. I suppose we can now understand the why and how of the poor decision to implement Liquid Glass, much less the fact that it is not ready, why Apple AI failed, why every iOS update lowers battery life, and much more.

There has never been accountability, and there will not be as long as the Apple board sees profits in their current path.
 
Stock grants of $1 million... so, half a cracker-box house in a good neighborhood of the Silicon Valley.
 
ChatGPT Soon:

Who is Jack Nicholson ?

GPT: I found this on the web about Boris Yeltsin
 
I retired from a huge, multinational corporation a few years ago. I witnessed the talent depart for truly greener pastures, saw numerous talented individuals let go, and observed a significant amount of our internal IT work being outsourced to another country, where citizens of that nation gradually assumed C-suite level positions within the company. I observed an engineer being selected as CEO, and he and the board made decisions that prioritized the shareholders over the customers and employees.

I watched all that 'new' talent make poor purchasing decisions that negatively impacted the network and the company. As long as the quarterly dividends were high, no one cared, other than us rank-and-file employees.

I see Apple has gone down the same path. I suppose we can now understand the why and how of the poor decision to implement Liquid Glass, much less the fact that it is not ready, why Apple AI failed, why every iOS update lowers battery life, and much more.

There has never been accountability, and there will not be as long as the Apple board sees profits in their current path.

there was a story that the original iMac was going to cost more if manufactured with clear plastic cover and it would have cheaper to go with another option. Steve Jobs still went with the clear colored plastic.

Jobs was one of a kind, and he made what Apple is supposed to be.
 
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