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Report: Apple Losing Talent to OpenAI

ronrather said:
Incremental Tim looked really old in the last keynote. He's getting tired re-painting Steve's old toys, and we're getting tired of buying them. Apple needs someone who is ready to make big leaps, not slow and steady creeps.
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Scott Forstall is the only answer
 
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ChrisA said:
When LLMs emerged, I was astounded at how well they worked. They seemed on the surface to act intelligently. But I knew how neural networks were trained and how they worked, and knew "thinking" would be impossible with that technology. But it certainly gives the illusion of it. The explanation is simple: Training is actually a search through a billion+ dimensional space for the best way to store 200 trillion tons of data in a 20 billion ton box. Then we know from information theory that the best way to compress data is to remove as much redundancy as possible, leaving only rules and procedures for regenerating it.

So the current LLM-based AI "vanishes" when we can explain it as simply an inevitable result of regularization and compression.
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Go back to Hofstadter's notion of Strange Loops. The feedback loop happens during training. It then gets fixed in the weights. It "thought" at training time. It doesn't "think" in real time. However, the context-conditioned computation that is done at inference time does represent a type of thinking. That is, the growing context offered by the prompt (which includes previous responses by the LLM) alters the output of the neural network in a way that is analogous to changing weights.
 
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Is anyone asking for an AI pin? I’ve seen them online and can’t really work out who would buy one or for what use. It just seems so niche when everyone has a phone in their pocket and a laptop on their desk.
 
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danny842003 said:
Is anyone asking for an AI pin? I’ve seen them online and can’t really work out who would buy one or for what use. It just seems so niche when everyone has a phone in their pocket and a laptop on their desk.
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No.

This is the standard tech approach of trying to create a new market rather than doing something people want or need.
 
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So some time back, we had a story of facebook hiring AI engineers at apple, now its opanai. Siri, is a mess. They're unable to produce the AI they had promised in 2024 - there's seemingly no real direction AI at apple, at least not yet. All we're getting some vague promises about future capability - no wonder Google poked fun at them in commercials regarding over promising and under delivering.
 
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ry-guy said:
Siri and Apple Watch hardware have moved nowhere in the last 5 years, so i don’t think those employees will be missed
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That’s a management failure, not an employee failure. Employees aren’t the ones who make decisions like that
 
Wx_Man said:
To everyone clamoring for a design “revolution”by Apple…pray tell. What kind of revolution do you envision?
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We’re not getting paid millions to come up with that idea. We don’t have an R&D department.

We’re users on a web forum. It’s unreasonable to ask us to design a revolutionary device

Apple is one of the biggest companies in the world. They have the resources to design revolutionary devices. They’ve done it multiple times before. It’s not unreasonable to ask Apple to do that
 
cjsuk said:
No.

This is the standard tech approach of trying to create a new market rather than doing something people want or need.
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What do people really want or need now?

IMO it’s higher wages, better healthcare, cheaper housing, a healthier environment, a less divisive culture, accessible childcare, better work-life balance

Tech companies can’t turn that into a product, can they?

Our lives are already convenient and entertaining enough. AI companies seem to be selling a product that lets us work more and enjoy life less.

I see ads telling parents they can use an AI to make up a bedtime story for their children so they don’t have to. What?? Making up stories for your kids is a fundamental part of being human. Why would we want to give that up?

Basically, tech has solved all the problems it can and now it’s either grasping at straws or causing new problems. We don’t need more tech. We need a better society
 
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maxoakland said:
I see ads telling parents they can use an AI to make up a bedtime story for their children so they don’t have to. What?? Making up stories for your kids is a fundamental part of being human. Why would we want to give that up?
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This sort of stuff is SO dystopian and such an incredible turn off to me.

It's just how I felt about that awful Apple AD of the wife scrambling to have her iPhone whip up a photo slideshow for her husbands birthday, that she forgot.
 
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maxoakland said:
What do people really want or need now?

IMO it’s higher wages, better healthcare, cheaper housing, a healthier environment, a less divisive culture, accessible childcare, better work-life balance

Tech companies can’t turn that into a product, can they?

Our lives are already convenient and entertaining enough. AI companies seem to be selling a product that lets us work more and enjoy life less.

I see ads telling parents they can use an AI to make up a bedtime story for their children so they don’t have to. What?? Making up stories for your kids is a fundamental part of being human. Why would we want to give that up?

Basically, tech has solved all the problems it can and now it’s either grasping at straws or causing new problems. We don’t need more tech. We need a better society
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100% agree on all points. 👏
 
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MacBH928 said:
Scott Forstall is the only answer
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Good point, what tech company has he been leading for the last however many years? If Steve Jobs left and formed his own computer company, I’m sure Forstall has done the same!

Of course, if he hasn’t, then… nah :)
 
Wx_Man said:
To everyone clamoring for a design “revolution”by Apple…pray tell. What kind of revolution do you envision?
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What they don’t realize yet (but will one day. Hopefully!) is that they’re no longer in the group of folks that Apple is expecting will buy new products for them. And, for Apple, that’s fine because there’s masses of folks that have never owned any Apple product buying buying new products. It’s one of the benefits of running a small marketshare almost everywhere. There’s always more people that down own their products than do, so not only can they sell to folks that don’t have anything, they can also sell to folks that have only used non-Apple products.

And, to be sure, some large number of them will be upset with Apple in 11-15 years or so because Apple’s once again targeting a new set of folks. If they can keep hitting the mark with new users, they’ve still got a lot of life left.
 
Unregistered 4U said:
Good point, what tech company has he been leading for the last however many years? If Steve Jobs left and formed his own computer company, I’m sure Forstall has done the same!

Of course, if he hasn’t, then… nah :)
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Jobs company that he made "NEXT" failed financially AFAIK
 
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