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At this point it seems like there is a deep money laundering scheme going on in Hollywood or something. It is getting insane. The new and already cancelled Disney+ show Star Wars Acolyte SOMEHOW cost 231 MILLION to make, that is 28 MILLION per EPISODE!

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Wow, I had no idea. Game of Thrones was famously $15 million per episode and I thought that was ridiculous....I still lost interest somewhere during season four.

No episodic show is worth anywhere near that, and I have no interest in watching Wolfs.
 
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They just always seem to be missing something that I can’t quite put my finger on. My overall impression is that maybe the scripts are only 85% done(??). With Wolfs, there is no real ending and the relationships causing the…circumstances…became muddled. Otherwise it looks great and the two main actors don’t disappoint, but I’m glad I didn’t pay $15 to see it in a theater.
The ending was a spoof of "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid". I thought it was clever and funny.
 
Most of Hollywood these days are focused on making what people with money want made, which turns out to be mostly bad. They have gotten completely away from making what people want to watch.

I wouldn't say "most of Hollywood" but the issue in general is not really new. Some people have been complaining about this for a long time.
 
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300 million for a darn movie… My god, 300.000.000 bucks for a movie. How do you even manage to spend numbers like that… On a movie..!
The problem lies in their focus. They're not trying to make something interesting or even artistic; they're looking for a return on their investment. In cinema (as in the arts in general), that rarely ends well.
 
Getting in the streaming game was dumb for Apple! Maybe they get back to basics such as actually fixing bugs and doing real beta testing in iOS.

A company the size of Apple can easily do several things at once. I don't think getting involved with movies/streaming takes anything away from iOS or other development. iOS would be just as good (or bad) with or without Apple in the movie/streaming business.
 
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Oh! I know, I know! Here, pick me!

Answer: all of these movies were bad movies. That’s why they did not perform at the box office. They were bad movies.

You can get viewers for bad movies at home because people will watch anything when they are bored. But to buy the tickets online, get up, drive to the theatre, pay for popcorn, and then sit for two hours quietly? You need a compelling product.

That’s why movies suck now.
 
This seems a ridiculously naive expectation.

Personally, I would never pay for a cinema ticket for an Apple movie because I know that its coming to AppleTV+ very soon.
Argyll we had to wait quite a few weeks for but it was coming so why go and pay cinema prices when its coming as part of the AppleTV+ subscription you already pay.

That's why they haven't done well in cinemas - sure some of them have been less than stellar movies but hey.
Also, Argyll was terrible.
 
Constellation. One of Apple's shows I just couldn't continue as it made no sense. There are a few others I start but just don't deliver.
 
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They didn't need to choose the oldest directors making the longest movies. As opposed to their series, the movies they've produced were mostly poorly rated. They should have chosen excellent scenarios instead of old Hollywood royalty. And also wait 6 months between their Cinema releases vs streaming.
 
I know the movie business is in a weird place right now but its not so weird and unpredictable that "Brad Pitt $300m F1 movie" isn't an obvious bomb. Who the hell is the audience for this?

Ridley Scott is infamously hit-or-miss with more misses than hits as he's gotten older. Funding that Napoleon project was ridiculously irresponsible.

The people green lighting these movies must just be Gen-X types excited to work with the auteurs and stars of their youth and they should just not be allowed to make these decisions.
Hmmm. Watch F1 or the excellent Rush again. Tough choice (not really).
 
It is bad marketing on Apple's part. I bet most people don't even know these movies are actually in theaters. They literally show a trailer with an apple+ release date a few weeks later.
 
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A lot of those movies (and series) are missing something. Hard to put into words - you can see what they are supposed to convey, they are going through the motions, but you don't feel it. In the end, I guess, they are well executed except for the scripts - which is the most essential part. They feel a little tamed or held back or just don't work emotionally as they were obviously meant. Tldr, the are ok-ish, but not very good. As another poster said - 85% there. But it's the other 15% (which take just as much effort) that count.
 
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Apple TV+ is so promising yet so disappointing at the same time. They have some great stuff on there, but so much of it is ALMOST good to great. Their biggest problem is that Apple LOVES LOVES LOVES their celebrities. They think it’s 1996 and you can plug a big name star in a project for instant success. But those days are long over (remember when Steve Jobs made a BIG DEAL about The Beatles on Apple Music and nobody really cared?). Make stuff that people want to see. Get down in the muck a little bit with horror or some gross-out comedy. Make some action movies and silly sci-fi. Not everything needs to be an Oscar contender and artsy-fartsy.
Good point. Look at their best shows: good scripts with excellent but less billable actors: Slow Horses, Pachinko, Severance, Silo, Ted Lasso. And HBO did it with GoT and Chernobyl.
 
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Something else id like to add.

Apple get involved with projects that are... shall we say.... po-faced, serious in nature, highlighting social injustice etc.

Things they want you to want to like.... instead of things that the majority will like.

Sure theres some 'fun' stuff but theres always a message or some reason for it to be there.
Where's the fun and action? Where's the mainstream stuff. Yes we can have things like Foundation - a mega budget spectacle but it's not really got mass appeal. Silo too is good but again the 'message' is strong.

Basically.... where's the pew pew space adventure sci fi fantasy fun stuff that appeals to the majority?
AppleTV+ needs to diversify a bit and get out of its holier-than-though approach instead of looking for things that 'enrich the masses' (in their opinion) how about things that 'entertain the masses' instead?
 
This seems a ridiculously naive expectation.

Personally, I would never pay for a cinema ticket for an Apple movie because I know that its coming to AppleTV+ very soon.
Argyll we had to wait quite a few weeks for but it was coming so why go and pay cinema prices when its coming as part of the AppleTV+ subscription you already pay.

That's why they haven't done well in cinemas - sure some of them have been less than stellar movies but hey.
I didn't go to the cinema for years due to a similar thought process... be it streaming or DVD rentals prior, or even just eventually arriving on TV in the days of cable, I was in no rush to see over 99% of what came out. What changed for me was living close to a VIP theatre with reclining chairs that made watching the bloated 3+ hour movies more comfortable. I honestly will not sit and watch a 3 hour movie at home, so I tend to watch such things over 2-4 days.

I still only see a small number of movies in the theatre though, and it has to be something I really am desiring to see as well as something that I think the theatre experience will enhance.

Sadly, movie studios shot themselves in the foot when they began producing primarity for the longer-lasting smaller screen, as it renders viewing on the larger screen not so fantastic. For example, close-ups - on a smaller screen, seeing a screen filled with a face is fine but on a theatre screen... I don't need to see a king kong sized headshot of Brad Pitt, for example (first actor I thought of given the comments on Wolfs).
 
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Never have I even heard of these films. Maybe that's part of the problem. I cancelled tv+ a long time ago so I don't keep up. It was boring and everything I watched felt sterile and like the story is missing something.
 
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