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Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay
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pixieblack
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Without CarPlay, how will iPhone users interact with iMessage while driving? Apple has a lock on this service and I think unless they open iMessage up to third party applications, a lack of CarPlay support could really hurt these manufacturers.
bigjnyc
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Tesla's software is pretty damn good... But outside of them I agree with you 100% car companies make some really crappy software.
bigjnyc
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The problem is that most people don't really care lol... a bunch of tech nerds on an apple forum with their pitchforks out will not move the needle. Most people in john Q public who are shopping for a car could not care less about carplay or what's on their infotainment.... In fact a lot of people don't even know what carplay is.
Stromos
macrumors 65816
Tesla still doesn't support Amazon Music. Trying to use Amazon Music over bluetooth is both dangerous and buggy.
Apple isn't gaining anything by connecting to your car. The $100,000 car company wants you to pretend you don't have a phone and pay for the car to do everything you want already do with the device in your pocket.
It's as simple as that. I already own the phone I already pay for the cell plan. I already pay for the music services I want to.
Carplay just lets me use them in the car. It's amazing how many people sit there and defend cars needing to be "another cellular device with a subscription".
There is zero incentive. I don't know a single car infotainment system that has every music service available. They have zero intention of ever supporting all services because they get kickbacks playing the exclusive game.
When any of the manufactures work with all the big services and don't have a monthly subscription then maybe we can have a discussion if it's better than using what you already have/pay for. Think that's unreasonable and no company will ever do it? Yeah I agree that's why Carplay is the answer.
Carplay 2.0 is a fun gimmick that has nothing to do with the conversation.
I am not faulting Apple here. I am trying to draw an analogy. When Apple ditched Google Maps, there were a lot of complaints. However, nobody complains now. Some even prefer Apple maps. Same will be the case with GM ditching CarPlay. There will be a hue and cry today, but when GM develops a good infotainment system, this will no longer be an issue.
Whatever reasons Benz specified, are true for others too. They will not want to cede control of basic functions like HVAC, Odo meter, etc., It is just a matter of time before others bite the bullet. Just wait and watch.
Good for them. The fact that you paid Apple subscription should not matter to MB. AM is using MBs IP to play the music. Apple is fine with it.
Apple Music and Mercedes-Benz bring immersive Spatial Audio to drivers worldwide
Apple Music’s highly acclaimed Spatial Audio with support for Dolby Atmos is now available as a native experience in Mercedes-Benz vehicles.
www.apple.com
Once, in a short term rental car. And it killed my battery. No thanks.
Just a comment to Beautyspin about all the responses you have received about your post… I think confusion was caused by using the word “also” in your post. That gives the impression that Mercedes is ALSO doing what GM is doing. In actual fact Mercedes is doing something quite different from GM. I know you know that, and your subsequent posts make that clear, but your initial post gives a different impression. 🙂
Colpeas
macrumors 6502a
And they can shove ‘em up somewheres. As if owning a car from GM wasn’t already a PIA.
I love having car play for my entertainment system because it does cross from my MacBook Pro and my iPad and I see all the things. I don't think I would want Apple taking over the entire dashboard.
I have used CarPlay in 5 different vehicles, both wired and wireless. It has worked flawlessly for years. Maybe CarPlay isn’t the issue. Just saying…
This is what I saw on the website. However, it provides much more than just streaming your music. Not even comparable.
Stream your favorite music in your Mercedes-Benz
If you're serious about music, you'll enjoy virtually endless play from numerous online music services seamlessly integrated into the familiar environment of Mercedes-Benz. Services such as Apple Music®, Spotify, TIDAL and Amazon Music can be accessed via the intuitive MBUX Voice Assistant, along with the music on your linked smartphone or other mobile device. You can stream via your own phone's data plan, or sign up for In-car WiFi. Thanks to streaming, your favorite songs are always available – now directly via the MBUX multimedia system. "Hey Mercedes, play the latest hits!"
*To use the service, a corresponding acitve account with the respective streaming provider must be available. Apple Music® only available on select models.
CarPlay is great when the software isn’t.
If you have great software, like Tesla and Rivian do, then you actually don’t really miss CarPlay.
Opposite for me. Don’t miss CarPlay that much since the Tesla software is so good already.
This is one of my favorite things, too. I use my calendar to run my life. It's nice to just click and go.
kpluck
macrumors regular
I think the real gold mine that GM is trying to go after is data. How you drive, where you go, how you use the vehicle…every single piece of information they can hoover up to generate more revenue streams for themselves, or whoever they choose to sell the data to. That is why CarPlay was dropped.
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Mr_Ed
macrumors 65816
Can you imagine the back-and-forth if MR posts about “some users” experiencing strange/inconsistent behavior from their vehicle’s HVAC system when extended CarPlay is used?
“Well, clearly it must be [auto manufacturer]’s fault.”
“Then why does it only happen with iPhone [generation]? It must be Apple’s fault!”
“Well, I’ve seen it in my [different auto manufacturer].”
“No! It’s only a problem with iOS [version]!”
😆
Me: Hey Ultifi - set cruise to 75
Ultifi: Your subscription for exceeding speed limits in cruise is expired. Would you like to renew? BTDubs - rear passenger temp controls are also expired. Teehee.
Ultifi: Your subscription for exceeding speed limits in cruise is expired. Would you like to renew? BTDubs - rear passenger temp controls are also expired. Teehee.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Absolutely! My wife and I drive a Chevy right now and even though it has Carplay, we have just used the built in service just fine. But it isn't a subscription service. We just use it and it works! I will never pay for a service like this in my car that I already paid thousands and thousands of dollars for.
rhett7660
macrumors G5
I hate to say it, but I agree. I love my Carplay and both me and the wife use it every time we drive.
I used wireless CarPlay on 3 vehicles so far (including my wife's Subaru that has it) and actively navigating over wireless with maps / traffic being downloaded takes about 7% of battery life per hour of navigation. This is (IMO) completely reasonable (and is of course higher than just playing music over Bluetooth).
But that is why most wireless CarPlay equipped cars have a wireless charger also. I do not really see this as a "problem" especially for most-used scenarios which is driving around urban areas where even if I get a 7% hit for 1 hour of navigation, I still have 40% battery at the end of the day.
Just bought my wife a new car with the stipulation it had to have Carplay. She only used it reluctantly in the past. Going from wired to Bluetooth made all the difference in the world.