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Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay

I think most consumers (ie not enthusiasts on an Apple forum) will be looking for “works with my iPhone” and not necessarily “CarPlay” specifically.

Changes like this probably are very easy to sell. Dealers will be able to confidently claim the models fully support iPhones. They just will gloss over the fact that it’s not native CarPlay.
 
chrono1081 said:
No, it's not proof. Are you a developer? I am. Everything I read looks like data needed to make the app function. Nowhere in where you linked was any proof (only accusations) that Apple sells data.

Again, did you read what you linked?
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I guess you have not read both what I wrote as well as what I linked. Please read it and then we can have a discussion.
 
Valve1138 said:
No CarPlay is a dealbreaker for me.

As an owner of a ‘14 GMC Sierra, it will not be replaced with a GM product down the road when it’s time.

The CarPlay experience in my ‘24 CrossTrek is fantastic.
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I'd agree. Could I go without it if I didn't have a choice? Absolutely. But after having it and getting used to having it...it's one of those "nice to haves" that gives a car with it a definite edge over a car without it.
 
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My next car is going to be a 2024 Toyota Prius or Prius Prime. Luckily for me it has CarPlay. Whenever I shop for a new car, CarPlay is a serious make or break feature. Well, that and a backup camera lol
 
Icehawk said:
Carplay was the deciding factor when I got my current car vs a couple alternatives. When it comes to traveling,I only rent cars with Carplay. There's enough stress travelling. I don't need to be figuring out the info system too.

GM not supporting Carplay means one less option to consider.
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I bought a VW id.4 instead of a Blazer EV because of the availability of CarPlay.
 
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JordanCautious said:
My next car is going to be a 2024 Toyota Prius or Prius Prime. Luckily for me it has CarPlay. Whenever I shop for a new car, CarPlay is a serious make or break feature. Well, that and a backup camera lol
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I don’t think you can buy a new car without a backup camera. At least in the USA.
 
icwhatudidthere said:
Kinda, yes. Take a look at what the Mercedes CEO called us customers:


https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/mercedes-benz-tech-update-silicon-valley-1234830050/

The thing is, I already pay for my Apple Music subscription. But Mercedes also wants me to pay them to use their version of the app. And until recently they wanted me to pay for a data subscription to use that app. Both of which I already have on my phone. They just want extra money to do it in an "integrated" way.
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Not true. You can use your existing music subscription from AM or whatever service. You pay for the entire bouquet of services in the package as given below. This seems to be for the UK. Maybe there is something like this for your country.
shop.mercedes-benz.com

Entertainment Package | Mercedes me Store United Kingdom

Listen to all your favourite stations, songs and playlists in high quality, wherever you happen to be.
shop.mercedes-benz.com shop.mercedes-benz.com
 
I7guy said:
You have it backwards. Why should I pay for something I’ve already paid for in my car and that already has hardware and works or that they are pissed off they can’t fully utilize the customer as a product?

That different than using an add-on product. The company that produces the add-on product is certainly allowed to do what we they want , within the law, with their product.
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You can use your existing subscription in mercedes.

shop.mercedes-benz.com

Entertainment Package | Mercedes me Store United Kingdom

Listen to all your favourite stations, songs and playlists in high quality, wherever you happen to be.
shop.mercedes-benz.com shop.mercedes-benz.com
 
haemolysis said:
I think most consumers (ie not enthusiasts on an Apple forum) will be looking for “works with my iPhone” and not necessarily “CarPlay” specifically.

Changes like this probably are very easy to sell. Dealers will be able to confidently claim the models fully support iPhones. They just will gloss over the fact that it’s not native CarPlay.
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Especially with the bait and switch.
(the GM infotainment is free for X years, then probably $75 a month, once you're trapped (own the car)).

Most people won't realize what they're signing up for till it's waaaaay too late.

Shady.
 
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CarPlay or android automotive (different from Android Auto) is what I prefer. My polestar has both. I typically use AAOS, but will use CarPlay sometimes.
 
Beautyspin said:
Not true. You can use your existing music subscription from AM or whatever service. You pay for the entire bouquet of services in the package as given below. This seems to be for the UK. Maybe there is something like this for your country.
shop.mercedes-benz.com

Entertainment Package | Mercedes me Store United Kingdom

Listen to all your favourite stations, songs and playlists in high quality, wherever you happen to be.
shop.mercedes-benz.com shop.mercedes-benz.com
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Everything I said is true, since I have a Mercedes and experienced it first hand. You need to pay Mercedes a subscription fee to use their apps. In the US, it's called "Online Music". And then you have to pay Apple to access the service. Until recently, you also had to pay for a third subscription for data.
 
Victor Mortimer said:
What would you suggest choosing a car because of?

I know a lot of people think exterior looks matter, but stop and think for a minute. Where do you spend time with your car, outside of it looking at it, or inside driving it? And once you're inside it, what systems do you interact with most? Sure, there's the steering wheel (so no Turdlas) and the other controls like the turn signal stalk (so no Turdlas), the pedals (one pedal driving is stupid, so no Turdlas), the gear shift (no Turdlas), the screen (NO TURDLAS), and the gauge cluster (I ALREADY SAID NO TURDLAS).

Every car has reasonable acceleration now. Every car gets you from point A to point B. Every car has air conditioning. So you've got to pick based on something. In order of importance, that's comfortable seats, no analog gauges, and CarPlay.
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Jesus you are annoying.
 
Beautyspin said:
Well, considering that Mercedes-Benz is also not going to let CarPlay in, due to reasons specified by CEO Ola Källenius in the following interview, I doubt others would let CarPlay in too. Their reasons will apply to all the others too.
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This is a wildly misleading statement. MB absolutely supports CarPlay across it's entire lineup and has made no indication otherwise about future models.

GM has 100% entirely blocked it from their current crop of EVs. These are totally different things.
 
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jayducharme said:
I’m one of those who wants CarPlay in my car, so I would never consider purchasing a GM vehicle for that reason. It will be interesting to see if enough other customers feel the same way.
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Ditto. Although I wonder if Apple tried to do too much
 
vantelimus said:
If I apply the same logic that the EU and DOJ are using to sue Apple, then Mercedes and GM must be forced to allow CarPlay. Otherwise they are creating an anti-competitive walled garden.
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The EU will not apply their "logic" to car companies. Most of their IRE is against Apple.
 
If anything, I'd like car manufactures to embrace CarPlay more fully and utilize it across the entire dashboard experience. It seems like they hire idiots to create their user interfaces. The best thing about my Toyota's dash is CarPlay. I would love to replace the instrument panel with CarPlay's and have the whole system work seamlessly across the media console and the panels. If they could just drop me into CarPlay right off and polish the multi-user/driver handoffs, I'd be set. Also, it might seem petty, but CarPlay was a larger consideration with picking a car than you'd think it should be, it's just that big of deal to me.
 
bvdecicco said:
I am a life long GM buyer, mostly Pontiac and then Chevy - Been very happy with my Bolt EUV, but sadly this will be the last GM for me unless they reverse this horrendous decision.
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Hey, fellow Bolt EUV owner here! Nice to see others out there. I love the car, but yes I agree, this will be the last GM vehicle I buy unless this is reversed.
 
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Beautyspin said:
Apple ditched Google Maps and faced a backlash. They have recovered after years of floundering with their own maps. Why? Because they did not want to depend on Google. Already, people are giving importance to Carplay and Android Auto. If they let these to further entrench themselves, they will be manufacturing $40,000 to $400,000 cars but will be dependent on the whims of fancies of Apple and Google. Better face the backlash today rather than use them to bolster the sales today but become entirely locked into their ecosystem.
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Are you intentionally ignoring the fact that people who still wanted to use Google maps could still download it and Apple just removed it from being the default? Personally I never had issues with Apple Maps but maybe because I live in the NYC metro area.
 
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Maybe the EU will stick their nose in this and force another American company to comply with their overreaching demands.
 
Terrible miscalculation by GM that ignores the fact that phones are now ubiqitous and almost necessary. Either IOs or Android will be the first choice for almost anyone buying a car over a GM supplied system. at a minumum if they want to persuade people to use their system, let it coexist with Carplay so the customer has a choice. If the GM system is better it will win out in a side by side comparison. If they won't allow that it just proves they are afraid of that kind of comparison. No way I would buy a car that barred Carplay and Android Auto. I don't think GM can pull it off.
 
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