Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay

[I7guy]

Exactly what I wanted to convey. Anything can crash. Especially, in the hands of Apple, which cannot have any software without bugs, the danger is multifold.

Yes. So stop your life because anything you do, you can become a statistic due to a software bug.

This went from some hypothetical to the realm of ridiculousness. I’m sure you drive a car from the 1960s era without any computers because of the fear of software bugs.

 

[Mr_Ed]

CarPlay is an advanced Lock Screen that displays info from allowed apps, nothing more. Most folks that have CarPlay issues resolve their issues by using a new cable. I’ve followed along with all of the folks that have complained about CarPlay connection issues and problems. The “problem” is almost always the car or the cable, not CarPlay itself.

So you think the problem is almost always the car or the cable, even though wireless CarPlay has been available since iOS 9? Of all the permutations of car make/model, car model year, iPhone model, iOS version, wired vs wireless connection, Apple is never the problem. Really? And how does a cable help with wireless CarPlay?

 

[Beautyspin]

Yes. So stop your life because anything you do, you can become a statistic due to a software bug.

This went from some hypothetical to the realm of ridiculousness. I’m sure you drive a car from the 1960s era without any computers because of the fear of software bugs.

So, you think GM or BMW will take the hit due to Apple's software bugs? Can I also have whatever you are having, seems to be highly potent.

 

[Beautyspin]

Most of the time air bags are good. Ask takata. Most in the time planning fall out of the sky. And yet. So what is your point?

You won’t drive or fly because of the worse of probabilities?

According to you, only the most likely situation should be considered. If they had done that, there would be no airbags. That was my point. An average driver gets into a crash once in every 18 years.

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[Obioban]

So, you think GM or BMW will take the hit due to Apple's software bugs? Can I also have whatever you are having, seems to be highly potent.

GM stops selling the Chevy Blazer EV to deal with ‘software quality issues’

A software update to address the problems is on the way.

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I think you overestimate GM's software quality. They had to stop selling cars because their (current, platform they're moving to for this discussion, that's ending carplay support) was breaking cars/making it so they couldn't charge/routinely sending them to the dealership.

 

[I7guy]

According to you, only the most likely situation should be considered. If they had done that, there would be no airbags. That was my point. An average driver gets into a crash once in every 18 years.

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To bring this home, if you want to be a Luddite, please feel free. I’m absolutely fine with CarPlay controlling some of the functions of the car.

 

[I7guy]

According to you, only the most likely situation should be considered. If they had done that, there would be no airbags. That was my point. An average driver gets into a crash once in every 18 years.

How Many Times Will You Crash a Car in Your Life? | Crash Stats

Most people will crash a car 3 to 4 times in their lifetime, filing a collission claim once every 18 years. Here's a look at some other interesting car crash statistics.

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According to you we shouldn’t be using software because it may have bugs. That’s about as ridiculous as what you claim I’m saying.

Not to mention, conflating the goalposts by comparing a car crash to a software bug.

 

[gank41]

Not sure why, but my 2020 Ford lets me connect wirelessly to make/receive calls, but without physical tethering I can't use Apple Music or Google Maps. I assume because the connection is just a feeble Bluetooth one. I've seen Qi charging pads in cars I've rented, but usually it doesn't work well/at all on my 15PM thanks to the case and camera bump. Qi2 can't become ubiquitous soon enough...

From what I've found, there's not that many cars that offer Wireless CarPlay at the moment. Mostly just NEW cars like 2023-2024 models.

 

[gank41]

So you think the problem is almost always the car or the cable, even though wireless CarPlay has been available since iOS 9? Of all the permutations of car make/model, car model year, iPhone model, iOS version, wired vs wireless connection, Apple is never the problem. Really? And how does a cable help with wireless CarPlay?

I never said never, I said almost always. And just because iOS offered that feature, doesn't mean car manufacturers are going to offer it. And in order to use Wireless CarPlay, you'd need to connect with a Cable first to pair it. But I never mentioned anything about using a Cable due to having Wireless Issues. I said that most folks that have CarPlay issues resolve their problem by replacing their cable.

(Also, that DuckDuckGo search just brought up a bunch of sites I've never heard of, besides MacWorld. And they referenced a pretty buggy version of iOS. Yeah, that happens, too- Some update gone wrong. And in my experience, that tends to only be from Beta updates, not official releases)

 

[ric22]

From what I've found, there's not that many cars that offer Wireless CarPlay at the moment. Mostly just NEW cars like 2023-2024 models.

Maybe CarPlay2 will bring it as standard? Unless there's a concern about overheating the phone... 👀

 

[gank41]

Maybe CarPlay2 will bring it as standard? Unless there's a concern about overheating the phone... 👀

It's easier when people replace their phones year over year, maybe every two years. But people keep their cars for a long time; it'd take a lot longer for Car Manufacturers to play catch up with technology.

 

[chachawpi]

It's easier when people replace their phones year over year, maybe every two years. But people keep their cars for a long time; it'd take a lot longer for Car Manufacturers to play catch up with technology.

This is very true. My car doesn't have either Android Auto or CarPlay because it's a 2015. I'll never replace the car just to get that functionality because cars are way too expensive.

 

[lindros2]

You're blaming CarPlay instead of figuring out the true culprit? Maybe the car system was trash? With so many happy CarPlay users, the only different factor is that car you were in.

Nice try, though.

I resemble this remark.
CarPlay is good - solid on Ford/Lincoln rental vehicles as well as Hyundai/Kia (which used to suck), Mercedes, and Chrysler/Stellantis (actually Jeep have been the best) and Porsche.

But ass in my daily Nissan/Infiniti (which have some major underlying trash issues).
It's okay in our Honda/Acura.

I haven't really used BMW.

 

[ric22]

It's easier when people replace their phones year over year, maybe every two years. But people keep their cars for a long time; it'd take a lot longer for Car Manufacturers to play catch up with technology.

Sadly true, but auto manufacturers have to start sooner rather than later.

 

[lindros2]

It's easier when people replace their phones year over year, maybe every two years. But people keep their cars for a long time; it'd take a lot longer for Car Manufacturers to play catch up with technology.

And car development lead time is 4-8 years (this was the debate referenced in the article - "how long do you think it takes us to design and manufacture an iPhone?" retort to GM). Basically you're getting nearly decade-old tech when you take delivery, because the whole car is "Operational Technology" and has to be locked down.

Even with OTA updates, cars aren't patched like my Windows 10 machine (well, maybe Tesla is).

My Nissan, Honda, and Infiniti's haven't had an update in 3+ years.

 

[chachawpi]

I resemble this remark.
CarPlay is good - solid on Ford/Lincoln rental vehicles as well as Hyundai/Kia (which used to suck), Mercedes, and Chrysler/Stellantis (actually Jeep have been the best) and Porsche.

But ass in my daily Nissan/Infiniti (which have some major underlying trash issues).
It's okay in our Honda/Acura.

I haven't really used BMW.

It's pretty bad on Subaru and Volvo (pre Android Automotive) too because it only takes up half of the tall screen and thus looks small and weird as a result.

 

[Steve121178]

From what I've found, there's not that many cars that offer Wireless CarPlay at the moment. Mostly just NEW cars like 2023-2024 models.

My 2021 VW offers wireless carplay like a lot of everyday vehicles here in Europe. The major downside is the phone gets very hot when charging so I just end up plugging it in anyway.

 

[ric22]

My 2021 VW offers wireless carplay like a lot of everyday vehicles here in Europe. The major downside is the phone gets very hot when charging so I just end up plugging it in anyway.

Does your VW offer all the functionality when only wirelessly connected?

 

[Steve121178]

Does your VW offer all the functionality when only wirelessly connected?

Yeah, everything except lossless audio of course as that needs a cabled connection.

 

[I7guy]

And car development lead time is 4-8 years (this was the debate referenced in the article - "how long do you think it takes us to design and manufacture an iPhone?" retort to GM). Basically you're getting nearly decade-old tech when you take delivery, because the whole car is "Operational Technology" and has to be locked down.

Even with OTA updates, cars aren't patched like my Windows 10 machine (well, maybe Tesla is).

My Nissan, Honda, and Infiniti's haven't had an update in 3+ years.

100%. Telsa updates, which to me average 2 month, encompass bug fixes, security updates and new functionalities.

 

[AZhappyjack]

I got to use carplay in a Ford Edge a couple weeks ago, it's trash. Maybe they should fix that first?
I'm truly amazed at how many people say it's a good thing? That carplay randomly disconnected about a million times.
iphone 14 pro max up to date on software. I'm much happier with my everyday bluetooth link that works flawlessly.

Wife’s 2022 Edge w wireless CarPlay is amazing. So far (2+ years in) has been flawless. SYNC4 (22 Edge) is so much better than SYNC3 on my 21 Ranger w wired connection. (Using a wireless dongle in the Ranger and it’s pretty solid, too.)

Back on topic, give me CarPlay or give me nothing.

 

[boombashi]

I currently own a 2018 GMC Yukon Denali that has CarPlay and that was a high priority feature in my purchasing decision. I won’t even consider buying another GM car if it doesn’t have CarPlay. I don’t care how much they improve their infotainment system, it will never have the seamless integration that CarPlay has.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Even if it's the best thing in the world for you, imagine choosing a car because of carplay?

It’s not “choosing a car because of CarPlay”… it’s eliminating a car because of lack of CarPlay. Like passing in a vehicle without AC or cloth vs leather seats. But for me, CarPlay does carry a lot of weight/sway.

 

[Obioban]

This is very true. My car doesn't have either Android Auto or CarPlay because it's a 2015. I'll never replace the car just to get that functionality because cars are way too expensive.

All my cars have flawless wireless CarPlay, including my 2005 M5 (via aftermarket head unit).

 

[wonderings]

Think GM will find most people do not want to pay for another service, especially one that is just in their car. The name itself is difficult, not sure how they think they can somehow do something simpler then what Apple has. Sounds to me like GM is not really trying to do something better but to actually just try and get more money out of peoples pockets.