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I really like having CarPlay, but more importantly no car I buy can hide essential features like AC control or controlling music volume in sub menus. Those functions MUST have physical controls. I think removing those two and hiding them in menus is downright dangerous!!
 
I would encourage going into the dealer to look their electric cars and ask: “does it have CarPlay”?
”oh, it doesn’t! Sorry I will look eksewhere”
Ironically, (besides the discontinued Bolt EV and EUV, which many dealers still have some available,) GM has CarPlay in the Lyriq for now, and in their gasoline vehicles.
 
I really like having CarPlay, but more importantly no car I buy can hide essential features like AC control or controlling music volume in sub menus. Those functions MUST have physical controls. I think removing those two and hiding them in menus is downright dangerous!!
I could not agree more, those two are frequently used and a safe way to control them is definitely necessary.
 
Despite these aspirations, the rollout of Ultifi has encountered significant obstacles such as software malfunctions that dealerships have struggled to resolve.

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See Bloomberg's full article for more insights into GM's move to abandon Apple CarPlay.

Article Link: Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay

Golly, who could have predicted that? :rolleyes:

And these car companies want us to trust them building "self-driving" cars, they can't even make a decent *car radio.. .. roflmhwpcao!

Too many stupid people and not 'nuf sabertooth tigers to eat them all. SMFH.

*All the time and energy likely went into sending user data to GM and Google, and not actually.. you know.. working.

Even if GM eventually gets this working reliably, how long before a major data breach and inevitable lawsuit from affected customers? This is such a losing battle.. Wish they just focused on making better, lighter weight, fun to drive cars, and left the infotainment to the owners of the car to choose between Apple and Google via a "dumb" car radio system..

Oh well.
 
Kind of a flawed article. GM’s new “interface” is literally just Android. It’s “Android Automotive with Google Automotive Services”. Same as Volvo and Polestar now use.

You have Google Maps, Google Assistant and all the apps on the Google Play Store (automotive specific ones). An 8-year subscription is included when you buy the cars.

This reference to “Ultifi” is mostly all a behind-the-scenes OS running the rest of the car’s modules. It’s made by RedHat. Pretty much the whole car will be OTA updateable.



 
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I actually agree with Mercedes on this one. I love CarPlay. It is definitely been a determining factor on the cars that I have bought.

That said, I think Apple is overreaching in wanting to expand to control any aspect of the vehicle beyond what is offered in CarPlay.
I’d have to see how well it works, if it’s as much of an improvement as Carplay is over the built in infotainment, I’d love to have it as an option at least. No one understands good UI as well as Apple imo

I can almost certainly say it would be better than what’s on my TT’s dash, it’s not smooth or intuitive at all. After 3 years with it it’s still a pain to use
 
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Well, considering that Mercedes-Benz is also not going to let CarPlay in, due to reasons specified by CEO Ola Källenius in the following interview, I doubt others would let CarPlay in too. Their reasons will apply to all the others too.


Apple wanted to control core functions of the vehicle like HVAC, as well as the speedometer and odometer.

"But Mercedes doesn’t appear to be in any rush to follow its luxury vehicle peers in letting Apple dominate the in-car experience for its customers. Instead, Källenius said that the company is working closely with Apple’s main rival, Google, in designing a new navigation feature that will be built on Google Maps. The key difference there is that Mercedes’ own engineering team will be heavily involved in the process."
Mercedes will still have regular CarPlay though.
 
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Honestly it's because it's Ford. Whatever systems they use just work awful with CarPlay. My two buddies hate CarPlay and I never understood why until I got into their vehicles (both Fords). For the enormous screens each of them had CarPlay only took up a small segment (which is on Fords end to fix) and they too had lots of disconnects.

In every other vehicle I've been in (including mine) it's worked great.
My 2017 Ford works with CarPlay nearly flawlessly. Only time I have had a problem is when the lightning cable got damaged internally. My next car will most likely be Honda / Acura and they still support CarPlay.
 
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The only company i have personally seen make it work without car play is Tesla but that’s on a whole different experience from most cars. The internet fee makes sense especially with the big screen display. Its one of those things where the whole package makes the lack of carplay acceptable.
 
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Maybe GM thinks in say 5-10 years they will be at parity or better than CarPlay and a short term hit is worth this control and independence.
Perhaps CarPlay and iOS generally will remain static for that long, but I doubt it. I haven't seen a UI from an automaker that I didn't hate. Embedded device engineers don't make good UIs.

I still don't get why more iOS apps don't appear in CarPlay, like Weather.
 


An in-depth Bloomberg report today resurfaced General Motors' decision to replace Apple CarPlay with its own software.

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Last year, GM announced that it planned to forgo Apple CarPlay in its new electric vehicles, starting with the 2024 Chevrolet Blazer EV. Instead, the automaker introduced a proprietary infotainment platform, aiming to control and customize the digital experience within its vehicles. This transition is part of GM's strategic pivot toward enhancing its software capabilities and establishing a stronger digital services revenue stream. However, the change has not been without its hurdles, with numerous customers and automotive reviewers reporting technical issues and a steep learning curve associated with the new system.

CarPlay has become a staple of most new vehicles, offering drivers a familiar interface that mirrors their iPhone's functionality onto the vehicle's dashboard. Apple reported in 2022 that 79% of car buyers in the U.S. insisted on CarPlay support when considering a new vehicle purchase.

GM's new in-house system, Ultifi, is envisioned as a comprehensive digital platform that offers a range of services such as navigation and media streaming, enhanced by subscription-based add-ons to drive revenue. Despite these aspirations, the rollout of Ultifi has encountered significant obstacles such as software malfunctions that dealerships have struggled to resolve.

GM's move is driven by a wish to reclaim customer connections and data insights from third parties, but customer resistance to abandoning a familiar and popular system like CarPlay that directly integrates with their iPhone poses a significant challenge to GM's strategy.

The outcome of GM's decision could influence future industry practices significantly. If GM can refine Ultifi into a robust, user-friendly platform that rivals or surpasses CarPlay's functionality, it may set a precedent for other automakers to follow suit. Conversely, if consumers continue to prefer established systems like CarPlay, automakers may find themselves in a difficult position, needing to balance their corporate interests with consumer preferences.

See Bloomberg's full article for more insights into GM's move to abandon Apple CarPlay.

Article Link: Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay
So stupid. I don’t want to learn yet another in house gps system.
 
I got to use carplay in a Ford Edge a couple weeks ago, it's trash. Maybe they should fix that first?
I'm truly amazed at how many people say it's a good thing? That carplay randomly disconnected about a million times.
iphone 14 pro max up to date on software. I'm much happier with my everyday bluetooth link that works flawlessly.
I have a 2013 F150 with Microsoft Sync 2 which was absolutely horrible. took forever to respond to touches on the 8" scree.

Once the newer models got Sync 3 in 2015/2016, I retrofitted everything from a Ford Expedition to my F150 and love using Carplay. I've never experienced disconnected issues.
 
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I really like having CarPlay, but more importantly no car I buy can hide essential features like AC control or controlling music volume in sub menus. Those functions MUST have physical controls. I think removing those two and hiding them in menus is downright dangerous!!
If you have never driven a Tesla (as an example) the climate control is set it and forget it. If you have to change settings voice control works very well. Anyway we have our own opinions on this.
 
The only acceptable option to CarPlay is Tesla, in my experience.

Still would love if Tesla gave us the option to use CarPlay
I've had my Tesla since 2019 and they've not really done much at all to improve the UI (it actually gets worse over time) or phone integration.

I've never used CarPlay but it would be nice to have an alternative to the basic Tesla UI.
 
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Stick to what you're good at. GM should build cars and leave the infotainment to organizations that have this down pat already.

But that’s what they’re doing. The new system is Android Automotive. People have this weird notion GM is making their own infotainment OS. It’s literally a Google system with most all the Google Play Store apps. Google Maps, Waze, Spotify, etc.
 
I mean listen I love car play but ultimately if auto manufacturers decide not to incorporate it anymore will all of you “I’ll never buy a car with no CarPlay” go back to horse and buggy?
 
Sure. It’s always good to speculate as to the worst possible thing but not necessarily the most probable.
Most of the time a car does not crash. So, is that what a car manufacturer considers when designing air bags?
 
There is also the possibility of disaster with the on-board computer systems. I’ve had it hapoen both in multiple ICE vehicles and once or twice in my Tesla.
Exactly what I wanted to convey. Anything can crash. Especially, in the hands of Apple, which cannot have any software without bugs, the danger is multifold.
 
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My 2017 Ford works with CarPlay nearly flawlessly. Only time I have had a problem is when the lightning cable got damaged internally. My next car will most likely be Honda / Acura and they still support CarPlay.
even the bastard child EV's (Prologue and ZDX) in partnership with GM have CarPlay, undermining the argument that Ultium doesn't support it.


 
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