Report Examines GM's Controversial Move to Abandon Apple CarPlay

[nburwell]

I won’t buy another car without CarPlay, no offense to those who would.

My thoughts exactly. If a vehicle is not equipped with CarPlay, then I will not lease it. It’s probably the most important feature for me when looking at new cars.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Maybe the EUC will force companies to offer choices as they are for "everything" else.
Won't get a car without carplay

 

[Beautyspin]

Which is nowhere near the same as gm discontinuing all phone projection, both carplay and android auto alike btw

Apple ditched Google Maps and faced a backlash. They have recovered after years of floundering with their own maps. Why? Because they did not want to depend on Google. Already, people are giving importance to Carplay and Android Auto. If they let these to further entrench themselves, they will be manufacturing $40,000 to $400,000 cars but will be dependent on the whims of fancies of Apple and Google. Better face the backlash today rather than use them to bolster the sales today but become entirely locked into their ecosystem.

 

[sgnl05]

BMW does support extended carplay.

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OG M3F sighting!

 

[hagjohn]

I got to use carplay in a Ford Edge a couple weeks ago, it's trash. Maybe they should fix that first?
I'm truly amazed at how many people say it's a good thing? That carplay randomly disconnected about a million times.
iphone 14 pro max up to date on software. I'm much happier with my everyday bluetooth link that works flawlessly.

My sister complains about disconnects in their Fords and carplay all the time.

 

[Beautyspin]

BMW does support extended carplay.

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Ok. I will let theverge and the Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius know that theverge article has a factual error.

 

[theLedger]

That interview is referring to the expanded CarPlay 2.0 experience Apple debuted at WWDC last year, where CarPlay takes over ALL of the infotainment and other screens in the car (odometer, speedometer, etc.). It's not about the "plug in and project your phone" CarPlay experience, which is what GM is disabling.

As mentioned before - Mercedes is not dropping CarPlay - they just aren’t implementing the CarPlay 2.0 features that enable it to display more car functions such as climate controls, speed, etc.

 

[SnowGlobalist]

Even if it's the best thing in the world for you, imagine choosing a car because of carplay?

I haven't seen anyone say they'd choose a car only because of CarPlay. But in a world of abundant options with CarPlay, it makes absolute sense for Apple users to eliminate cars without it.

 

[seek3r]

Apple ditched Google Maps and faced a backlash. They have recovered after years of floundering with their own maps. Why? Because they did not want to depend on Google. Already, people are giving importance to Carplay and Android Auto. If they let these to further entrench themselves, they will be manufacturing $40,000 to $400,000 cars but will be dependent on the whims of fancies of Apple and Google. Better face the backlash today rather than use them to bolster the sales today but become entirely locked into their ecosystem.

You dont actually seem to understand what phone projection is

 

[sleeptodream]

that Is a very uncommon experience. Perhaps you should try again?

And not in a Ford lol. The wi-fi was probably crap if it was the wireless version, I know it is in my parents’ Buick (big surprise 🙄)

 

[Beautyspin]

But GM (and Mercedes) cutting off CarPlay 2 isn't the same thing as GM cutting off OG CarPlay. That's all I'm saying.

Apple came back from Google Maps fiasco stronger and now they are not dependent on Google Maps. From the posts here, people seem to be giving importance to Carplay/Android Auto more than the car company. So, instead of the control being in the hands of the car companies, it seems to have gone into the hands of Apple and Google. Better face the backlash today rather than depend on them for sales today and become entirely locked into their ecosystem.

 

[seek3r]

Well, this is depressing. We will no longer see CarPlay in vehicles at all because of another Tim Apple overreach? I still don’t understand, however, why Android Auto is also being thrown out.

Mercedes is still supporting basic phone projection

 

[mantan]

I said - Apple wanted to control core functions of the vehicle like HVAC, as well as the speedometer and odometer. - That is CarPlay 2. Maybe Apple wanted more from GM, like 30% tax (just kidding), and GM decided not to play.

I actually agree with Mercedes on this one. I love CarPlay. It is definitely been a determining factor on the cars that I have bought.

That said, I think Apple is overreaching in wanting to expand to control any aspect of the vehicle beyond what is offered in CarPlay.

 

[bluespark]

Tesla has a native Apple Music app as well as YouTube, Netflix and others.

Yes, very true. I would put Tesla in the same category as Mercedes on this issue -- one of only a handful of manufacturers with non-CarPlay systems good enough to pull off what GM is attempting.

 

[Beautyspin]

If you actually listen to the interview instead of just reading the headline, Mercedes has no plan to stop offering carplay-- they're just not extending to the version that takes over all the screen in the car (cluster, passenger side screen, etc).

If you had followed my posts, you would have seen that I have quoted several passages from the article. They are not going to give all the screens to Apple today and regret it later. If Apple had not initiated taking over all the functions of the car, there would have been no friction from the companies. Not a smart move by Apple.

 

[Beautyspin]

Google maps works just fine on Car Play. No idea why you’d stick with Apple Maps.

Which is why they (Mercedes) is going with Google for their native navigation system. Which is what I stated. So, not sure what you meant by your comment.

 

[jakebrosy]

Didn’t GM just get a huge fine for selling customer location data?

Seems like they decided to double down on customer data.

 

[bluespark]

This is something everyone here - and all consumers everywhere - need to keep in mind. The ONLY language that any industry understands is money. Unless sales drop by a good amount, you don’t have their attention. If you have issues with what anyone is selling, then don’t buy. Consumers have much more power than they realize - even if it takes a couple of years to get results.

True, except that GM will have a hard time quantifying the sales they lost due to this issue. I may be a case in point here, as I'm looking in a segment for which Cadillac, a GM nameplate, has some good contenders. I would not consider Cadillac because of this, but GM won't know that unless they happen to read this forum. How many other potential customers could they have had, whom they will never know they lost?

 

[jaster2]

GM's recent history with customer data... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html

 

[Beautyspin]

You dont actually seem to understand what phone projection is

And you do not seem to understand what was written by me.

 

[BayouTiger]

If you base your car decision on Carplay, then you are certainly a phone guy and not a car guy! lol
Honestly, if my SuperDuty had a native Waze app, I could care less about Carplay. Add that neither the Ford Sync or Carplay will let me browse my own library easily while driving, even with a passenger (my Mopar uConnects never had this limitation) and as far as I am concerned they both suck.

As for GM, they stuck with OnStar for years after everyone else had superior services so who knows. I know Stellantis said a couple years ago that they expect over $2B in revenue from subscription services in. the next few years so I doubt GM will be the last to try to milk this.

 

[chrono1081]

As opposed to Apple which is an annual winner for Integrity Award and Corporate Leadership Award. /s

Proof please. Too many of you come in trying to claim Apple "sells your data" and the like just because you think it happens.

 

[macphoto861]

I won’t buy another car without CarPlay, no offense to those who would.

Same here. Terrible move by GM. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if their new system had the capability to enable CarPlay support with a software update (IOW, execs keeping that door open as a last resort, just in case the plan doesn't work out).

 

[bluespark]

BMW does support extended carplay.

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That's not extended CarPlay. That's BMW's interface on the left and CarPlay on the right. What BMW does (which is my preferred approach) is to use data from CarPlay in their own interface. That's very different from what extended CarPlay will do.

 

[fhall1]

True, except that GM will have a hard time quantifying the sales they lost due to this issue. I may be a case in point here, as I'm looking in a segment for which Cadillac, a GM nameplate, has some good contenders. I would not consider Cadillac because of this, but GM won't know that unless they happen to read this forum. How many other potential customers could they have had, whom they will never know they lost?

Exactly - it's very difficult to prove a negative...no one's going to make a trip to a GM dealer just to say they aren't going to buy anything because of no CarPlay.