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I completely agree. Not to mention the freedom of dust to settle in the case and cause heating problems over time. I have a G5 case, and for the most part, there is quite a bit of extra room in there. I'm not as familiar with the newer Mac Pros, but surely they could make it a tad smaller (and lighter....I'm a college student and the case kills me on move in day :) ) and still keep the storage and processor capacity high.

That being said, they put a lot of thought into making the inside and outside of the current cases clean (at least on the G5). No bundle of wires as is found in some other desktops. For that, they are to be commended.

We all have different aesthetic perceptions. I think the PM/MP is beautiful, inside and out. Coming from a 15 year career in precision aerospace machining, this is truly a magnificent example of engineering design and manufacturing. I have worked with:

System 32, System 34, System 36, AS 400, RS 6000, SG Indigo MIPS 4000, Sparc Classic, Sparc 5, Sparc 10, Sparc 1000, IBM PC & XT, HP Vectra, HP (whatever), Sequoia, Dell 360, 370, 380, 390 and several more I am too tired to think about. The PM/MP is the most beautifully crafted computer I have ever seen. Everything fits like a glove.
 
I imagine since hot air rises it reduces the need for fans if the heat is vented through the top. Wasn't that the idea on the Cube?
Reading it again, "out the top" could mean "top corners"-- maybe the top could still be used as a shelf, and the heat is expelled around the perimeter of the top edge?
 
Coming from a 15 year career in precision aerospace machining, this is truly a magnificent example of engineering design and manufacturing.

Aircraft are built with everything neatly placed in an ideal location. Perhaps this is why we both like the design of the case. (I'm an aerospace engineering student.)
 
Wasn't the cube a commercial failure because the ventilation was on top?

I think it was a failure because it wasn't cheap. Initial price at $1800 and $2300. (In year 2000 dollars.) Yee-ouch!

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The Cube was expensive and underpowered since it used the Motorola G4 which was on its last leg before the mhz speed stalled (thanks for nothing, Motorola!). That, and it wasn't upgradeable...

The style and silent operation were its strong points, but not enough to overcome the cost and lack of performance.
 
CPU: Central Processing Unit. There can't be more than one, because if there were it couldn't be central. This must therefore refer to the collection of processing units working cooperatively.

No. According to Wikipedia, The phrase "central processing unit" is a description of a certain class of logic machines that can execute computer programs. Before there were multi-core chips, SMP-capable systems consisted of multiple CPUs (as do our current Mac Pro systems - 2 CPUs, each with 2 cores).

Core: a full and self sufficient processing unit. May be one of many on a single piece of silicon. Not all cores in a system, or on a single piece of silicon, need be identical.

A Core is not self-sufficient. Things like L2 cache and bus interfaces are separate from the Core. It also doesn't have to refer specifically to a CPU core - you could have a dual core GPU, or even a DSP.

Multi-core: containing more than one "core". May be on one or many silicon components. The Dual G5s were multi-core machines. The Quad Xeons are multicore.

Kind of. You could argue the Dual G5s (the original G5, before they went dual-core) were multi-core, as each CPU has a "core" - typically, though, it refers to a CPU with multiple cores.

Processor: seems to refer to the chip containing one or more processing cores, which must be interesting for those in the UK-- do you say "The processor are..."?

Processor is typically synonymous with CPU.

The processor/core thing has always felt nebulous to me... Multi-processing used to be the phrase used, then multi-core became the hip jargon. I still think people think in terms of what each processor is doing on a multi-core chip. It makes sense that this would be nebulous since it doesn't really matter... How many chips are used to carry all the cores is an implementation detail.

I'm kind of tired of hearing people bash each other over the use of nomenclature when I don't think that nomenclature is well established...

I don't know about that - I think it's clearly defined - perhaps people just aren't using it properly.
 
I imagine since hot air rises it reduces the need for fans if the heat is vented through the top. Wasn't that the idea on the Cube?

Funny... I was thinking the same thing. The Cube aniversary model!... just kidding.
it is kinda due for a redesign... I don't think we'll see it for a while though.
 
The idea of having the hot air exit at the top really should be done....basic physics.

Now, where are the pics? :p
 
Maybe this is an indication of that a Core2Duo (or whatever) desktop is coming? The one that fits between Mac mini and Mac Pro?
 
Carbon Fiber. ;)

Nah, carbon is too expensive, has very little impact resisltance, and is kinda trendy (though on the fading side already).

I'd like to see a new look, but I do have to admit that it is only for the sake of newness. The current one looks strong and clean and simple (though I wouldn't say beautiful), and is very practical, but no the aluminum computers no longer catch my eye.
 
The idea of having the hot air exit at the top really should be done....basic physics.

Now, where are the pics? :p

That's already being done in the G5 and Intel iMacs. Feel the speaker grill. Do you feel cool air slowly being sucked up? Now, feel that stripe on the back near the top. Do you feel warm air being pushed out?

The G5 required so much cooling and space, I think Ive and his team could easily shrink the iMacs and Mac Pros. Of course, they've done so much with that extra space in the Mac Pro, so it'd probably be a challenge to keep the two disk drives and four hard disk bays.. I haven't seen the inside of an Intel iMac, but I'd think they could at least make it a little thinner.

Semi-off topic: I've been thinking about the iMac G4 recently, and it's amazing to compare the 10.6" base of it to the minimac. If they turned the minimac into a semi-spherical base, keeping the same size of the minimac, but put the iMac G4's screen on top of it, and kept the mini's aluminum, you'd have a buyer here. Who's with me?
 
I wish they'd make it rack-mountable... It would be more convenient in a studio setup. There is a company that builds special racks to fit the current MacPro design, but with the heat coming out on top, this new design could cause a ventilation problem.

Im pretty sure that the XServe is rack-mountable. I dont know if it was DESIGNED for that but hey you could give it a shot.


oh yes, that IS sarcasm for those of you who take the special bus to school.
 
Nope. The cases will be made of semi-conductor thermopiles, that will recover a small portion of the heat generated by the computer, and use it to run peltier junctions to remove heat from the computer faster, without, or with a minimum of, fans.

That would be cool. Literally.

>>Gauchogolfer: I don't think they've invented heat superconductors yet, but if they do, I'm sure Apple would be first to use them.

Perhaps Apple can purchase miniature black holes from the Large Hadron Collider, when it's up and running? Apple could then use them as a convenient and compact method of removing heat from the Mac Pro. Then Apple could buy them back from us, and turn the hawking radiation they emit into electricity, which could be pumped back into the power grid, ready to power a whole new generation of black hole cooled Mac Pros!
 
A redesigned Mac Pro should ideally not be a cube but rather the dimensions of a large VCR/DVD player/Set Top Box - something that is perfect for under the TV. Oh, and heat out of the top is what most TV and HiFi gear does - which makes me think Apple are looking at this. LoopRumors though is not a solid source for me.
 
A redesigned Mac Pro should ideally not be a cube but rather the dimensions of a large VCR/DVD player/Set Top Box - something that is perfect for under the TV. Oh, and heat out of the top is what most TV and HiFi gear does - which makes me think Apple are looking at this. LoopRumors though is not a solid source for me.

Exactly, because they really need a home theatre type device. and it has to do wifi, and wired lan. and it should have hdmi, and optical audio. oh and a hdd for syncing stuff from itunes, and it should be able to stream from itunes too..


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