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There should be zero ads on a platform sold to us as being the very opposite of the revenue model used by the likes of Google and Facebook. Apple needs to be reminded of its core values. Apple is now fully in the grip of the operations division rather than the design division. No wonder the design team is losing people. Jony Ive's departure is making more and more sense.
Core values for apple is making money, people never understood that everyone online will always be for sale, apple also loves to sell usage of their trademarks but that so called walled garden in privacy and data would not get the cash flow apple would had wanted so sacrifices had to be made, it sucks yeah but big tech is all the same, no one’s really different.
 
Apple are playing right into the hands of regulators. Why? well look at it this way. Apple are putting ad's in the app store, there is only ONE app store which means anyone that purchases a premium priced iphone has no choice but to put up with ad's. There is no other app store therefore iphone owners have no option but to put up with ad's.

I am not going to buy a $2,000 iphone and be told I have to put up with ad's in the only place I can download apps. This means ad's are being forced upon customers and they have no choice but to put up with it. Many countries regulators will be looking into this carefuly I think
I'm going to play devil's advocate here (so take this with a grain of salt). What if this is their way of getting ahead of the regulations and getting ready to make up for the "hits" they'll take because of it? The push to allow alternate app stores could hurt Apple's App Store revenue. Handling payments outside of the App Store...also a hit to revenue. How do you make up for that? Ads. I wouldn't find it a coincidence that all of the "open" platforms in existence already all have ads. The one closed platform suddenly is adding more and more now that they're being forced/scrutinized to open things up.

So let's say this is what the regulation and scrutiny is going to get us. If this is the case, be careful what you wish for...hope everyone who wanted Apple to open up are happy now. :rolleyes: (But who knows...maybe the ads were going to happen regardless. In the days of "we need more money", that's believable too).
 
I'm definitely not happy with it. Look at the Apple TV for example, it's expensive for a streaming box but it's worth it to many because it's not a mess of ads like the Roku or Fire TV or Google interfaces. Same with the iPhone or the Mac.

If they lose that, I'm discounting a lot of premium mentally.
 
One of the primary reasons I've stuck with the Apple ecosystem since the debut of the iPod is the distinct lack of ads/targeted advertising that all of the other competing platforms shove in their customers faces. The loss of this platform advantage has me considering backing out of the Apple ecosystem (I do a ton of HomeKit smart home stuff, use Apple TV, etc) and looking at other non-Apple options.

It's also mildly baffling to me that Apple - who at the very least puts up the facade of valuing customers privacy - is looking to double and triple down on targeted advertising. Obviously the response will be something like, "Sure, we're doing more advertising, but we're not selling your data - it stays in the Apple 'privacy ecosystem'" but consumers are smarter than that. An ad is an ad is an ad. We don't generally care for them, and it cheapens the Apple experience to go deeper into in-device advertising, first-party or otherwise.

I hope, however, that Apple employees with some push/pull within the organization are seeing the overwhelmingly negative response on sites like MacRumors and Cult of Mac, and that they see that they're at risk of losing their most valuable customers: the diehards. Even diehards have a breaking point. For me, this is one of them.
 
Apple Maps never gained anywhere near the popularity of Google Maps, and evidently Apple wants to keep it that way.

I thought it was getting better. I like lane guidance on GM. But I think it gets way too anal on saving time. I'd rather take a few mins more used roads that are brighter than dark windy roads. Especially if I'm already not familiar with the area
 
That’s good news, as I can’t stand ads. I don’t mind the occasional email from Apple pitching their services, but placing ads in the new weather app for example is just wrong.

Yeah, ads in apps people use for safety, like weather apps, always makes me shake my head. Front loading several ads before showing me how close the severe storm is to me is a fast way to get me to change apps.. permanently.

Ads in service I'm already paying for?

Good way to make me cancel the service, and never come back.

And, ads in the app store? It seems that Apple wants to completely ignore how and why the majority of users use their products... Most of the time...I go to the app store after hearing about a streaming service to see if there's an app available.. then, if there is, I'll usually download it.

Just an aside - Does anyone actually open the app store and just scroll, looking for random crap to pop up, who would see an ad and go, "Oh yeah I'll check out that thing I wasn't even looking for that I just saw randomly". Does anyone remember how most people got infected by malware on Windows in the XP/Vista days? Does anyone actually do stuff like that anymore?

Anyway... All the ads do is get in the way of what I'm there to do. Get the app I actually want.

It's just like the butterfly keyboards or the wireless mouse you need to charge with a cable/connection on the bottom.. .. does anyone at Apple pay any attention to how people actually use their products any more??? Does anyone there even care any more?
 
"Salespeople should use "audience refinement" instead of saying "targeting," "platform" instead of "algorithm," and "competitor keywords" and "brand defenses" instead of "conquesting.""

This is why 2022 (and onwards) will be like 1984.

And "Conquesting" at least sounds cool?

Like a game I may have played on the TI-99/4a?

Loaded off a cassette tape..
 
Well of course they would be unhappy, they and their families will also be negatively affected by this move as well. Apple employees will be asked by their family members how to stop these ads from appearing and they’ll have to say you can’t stop/disable them. I just wonder if Tim and other Apple executives will have the option on their iPhones to disable the ads? If they do, they better hope that information never gets out.
 
If I pay good money for premium Apple devices, or for software operating on those devices, I don’t need them polluting with ads I never asked for. I’m sat in the privacy of my own home, and being invaded by unwanted ads is not something I expect.

I’m old enough and mature enough to know if I want to buy a product or service, and I’m capable of searching for it without intrusive ads.

Apple don’t exactly need the money, so why do this to a loyal user base, and risk alienating them?
 
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Well of course they would be unhappy, they and their families will also be negatively affected by this move as well. Apple employees will be asked by their family members how to stop these ads from appearing and they’ll have to say you can’t stop/disable them. I just wonder if Tim and other Apple executives will have the option on their iPhones to disable the ads? If they do, they better hope that information never gets out.
They all probably use android phones hehehe. Joking aside, has anyone seen any of Apples top executives personally using their own iphone? Yes they are most probably seen at work using an iphone but what about outside of working during their private time, what type of mobile phone do they use?
 
Oh? Dynamic ad insertion you say…. The ads at the beginning do sound abnormal for the rest of the podcast (it’s a daily news commentary podcast), and the podcaster inserts their own ad read, so the generic ad at the beginning sounds very out of place.

I guess dynamic ad insert is switched on by the podcaster?

If I'm not mistaken, dynamic ad insertion is done by the service that serves the podcast downloads. In those cases you still get a single file similarly to non-DAI podcasts, but the ads you've had added to the insertion points aren't the same that someone downloading the same episode from a different geographical location will get. From the listener's perspective dynamic ads might be more relevant to them (local services as opposed to those possibly on a different continent altogether), but there are more downsides in the form of random ads feeling completely out of place in an episode and also different lengths of ads ruining any links to a specific part of an episode.

Luckily none of the podcasts I listen to do dynamic ads. I wish it stays that way.
 
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Apple increases the price of the entry iPad, effectively nudging their customer to the next-in-line, even more expensive iPad. Apple increases subscription prices. Apple ramps up their walled garden ad business. Greed seems to be the current business plan. I feel like I should start using services outside the Apple garden, so I’m not trapped when the Apple experience no longer warrants the premium prices.
exactly. At least Google gives you the services for free and their hardware is cheaper.
 
I've been getting more ads on YouTube/Twitch/Twitter/etc than ever before, and much like cable tv all it's accomplished is making me use all of those much less than before. I know I accidentally caught a coke-a-cola ad for 2 seconds out of the corner of my eye but that's just not going to get me to subconsciously buy your product...I haven't had soda in like 20 years. Just make a good product and I'll buy it if/when I need it, ad spam only makes me hate you preemptively.
Heck for me drop your ad budget and make your product cheaper and that willl make me buy it over the competition
 
If by as the headline says, the employees aren't happy, they could always leave Apple to show how unhappy they really are. They could give up their salaries, tenure, bonuses and stock options and do the right thing, which is quit. That they are unhappy doesn't make them rational.
Exactly they are just as greedy as the rest of the company then
 
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Wonder if they've done any market research that people would rather have ads than pay more for the product without ads? Maybe the 15 Ultra will tout no ads?
 
Outrage is what fixed stage manager/ battery sign etc etc
Ads are a big no no. Baiting and switching will cause many to start thinking about leaving the ecosystem
Outrage fixes nothing, and is largely ignored. Constructive and rational criticism is what causes real change.

Case in point — so far, I’ve only been seeing an ad at the top of a search results in the App Store, and now they have a single ad at the very bottom of an app listing — that’s the extent of the ads. How often do you visit the App Store? I’m there about once per week, and I don’t hang out very long. So how is this even an issue?

Regarding the rumor that there will be ads in the Maps apps — again, how often do you use this app? I use it about once per month, but seeing an offer from a business close to where I am might actually be useful.

Ads drive a large portion of the economy — you’ve got ads on the radio, tv, streaming, buses, bus stops, taxis, grocery stores, receipt tape, billboards — it is everywhere. I have found the implementation from Apple to be fine — they have ads for app in the App Store — this is where I would expect and want to see ads for apps. I will wait to see what they release in the future and form my opinion of it then. Until then, just calm down.
 
Wonder if they've done any market research that people would rather have ads than pay more for the product without ads? Maybe the 15 Ultra will tout no ads?
Kindle uses this model. It would be interesting to see their split of people who buy which (and how many later pay to remove the ads)
 
Problem is complaints without action are pointless. Quit if you don't like it. Stop buying Apple stuff if you don't like.
…CSAM was complained about and went away.

Everyone complained about MacBooks until they fixed them a few years ago.

Apple disabled the gambling Ads in the App Store recently after being called out.

Not sure how that’s pointless as you say.
 
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