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Report Reveals Apple Employees Internally Unhappy With Plans to Show More Ads to iPhone Users
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Core values for apple is making money, people never understood that everyone online will always be for sale, apple also loves to sell usage of their trademarks but that so called walled garden in privacy and data would not get the cash flow apple would had wanted so sacrifices had to be made, it sucks yeah but big tech is all the same, no one’s really different.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here (so take this with a grain of salt). What if this is their way of getting ahead of the regulations and getting ready to make up for the "hits" they'll take because of it? The push to allow alternate app stores could hurt Apple's App Store revenue. Handling payments outside of the App Store...also a hit to revenue. How do you make up for that? Ads. I wouldn't find it a coincidence that all of the "open" platforms in existence already all have ads. The one closed platform suddenly is adding more and more now that they're being forced/scrutinized to open things up.
So let's say this is what the regulation and scrutiny is going to get us. If this is the case, be careful what you wish for...hope everyone who wanted Apple to open up are happy now.
(But who knows...maybe the ads were going to happen regardless. In the days of "we need more money", that's believable too).I'm definitely not happy with it. Look at the Apple TV for example, it's expensive for a streaming box but it's worth it to many because it's not a mess of ads like the Roku or Fire TV or Google interfaces. Same with the iPhone or the Mac.
If they lose that, I'm discounting a lot of premium mentally.
If they lose that, I'm discounting a lot of premium mentally.
One of the primary reasons I've stuck with the Apple ecosystem since the debut of the iPod is the distinct lack of ads/targeted advertising that all of the other competing platforms shove in their customers faces. The loss of this platform advantage has me considering backing out of the Apple ecosystem (I do a ton of HomeKit smart home stuff, use Apple TV, etc) and looking at other non-Apple options.
It's also mildly baffling to me that Apple - who at the very least puts up the facade of valuing customers privacy - is looking to double and triple down on targeted advertising. Obviously the response will be something like, "Sure, we're doing more advertising, but we're not selling your data - it stays in the Apple 'privacy ecosystem'" but consumers are smarter than that. An ad is an ad is an ad. We don't generally care for them, and it cheapens the Apple experience to go deeper into in-device advertising, first-party or otherwise.
I hope, however, that Apple employees with some push/pull within the organization are seeing the overwhelmingly negative response on sites like MacRumors and Cult of Mac, and that they see that they're at risk of losing their most valuable customers: the diehards. Even diehards have a breaking point. For me, this is one of them.
It's also mildly baffling to me that Apple - who at the very least puts up the facade of valuing customers privacy - is looking to double and triple down on targeted advertising. Obviously the response will be something like, "Sure, we're doing more advertising, but we're not selling your data - it stays in the Apple 'privacy ecosystem'" but consumers are smarter than that. An ad is an ad is an ad. We don't generally care for them, and it cheapens the Apple experience to go deeper into in-device advertising, first-party or otherwise.
I hope, however, that Apple employees with some push/pull within the organization are seeing the overwhelmingly negative response on sites like MacRumors and Cult of Mac, and that they see that they're at risk of losing their most valuable customers: the diehards. Even diehards have a breaking point. For me, this is one of them.
So basically Apple is saying “we want to be like everyone else”. Boo on you Apple!
I thought it was getting better. I like lane guidance on GM. But I think it gets way too anal on saving time. I'd rather take a few mins more used roads that are brighter than dark windy roads. Especially if I'm already not familiar with the area
Yeah, ads in apps people use for safety, like weather apps, always makes me shake my head. Front loading several ads before showing me how close the severe storm is to me is a fast way to get me to change apps.. permanently.
Ads in service I'm already paying for?
Good way to make me cancel the service, and never come back.
And, ads in the app store? It seems that Apple wants to completely ignore how and why the majority of users use their products... Most of the time...I go to the app store after hearing about a streaming service to see if there's an app available.. then, if there is, I'll usually download it.
Just an aside - Does anyone actually open the app store and just scroll, looking for random crap to pop up, who would see an ad and go, "Oh yeah I'll check out that thing I wasn't even looking for that I just saw randomly". Does anyone remember how most people got infected by malware on Windows in the XP/Vista days? Does anyone actually do stuff like that anymore?
Anyway... All the ads do is get in the way of what I'm there to do. Get the app I actually want.
It's just like the butterfly keyboards or the wireless mouse you need to charge with a cable/connection on the bottom.. .. does anyone at Apple pay any attention to how people actually use their products any more??? Does anyone there even care any more?
And "Conquesting" at least sounds cool?
Like a game I may have played on the TI-99/4a?
Loaded off a cassette tape..
Well of course they would be unhappy, they and their families will also be negatively affected by this move as well. Apple employees will be asked by their family members how to stop these ads from appearing and they’ll have to say you can’t stop/disable them. I just wonder if Tim and other Apple executives will have the option on their iPhones to disable the ads? If they do, they better hope that information never gets out.
If I pay good money for premium Apple devices, or for software operating on those devices, I don’t need them polluting with ads I never asked for. I’m sat in the privacy of my own home, and being invaded by unwanted ads is not something I expect.
I’m old enough and mature enough to know if I want to buy a product or service, and I’m capable of searching for it without intrusive ads.
Apple don’t exactly need the money, so why do this to a loyal user base, and risk alienating them?
I’m old enough and mature enough to know if I want to buy a product or service, and I’m capable of searching for it without intrusive ads.
Apple don’t exactly need the money, so why do this to a loyal user base, and risk alienating them?
They all probably use android phones hehehe. Joking aside, has anyone seen any of Apples top executives personally using their own iphone? Yes they are most probably seen at work using an iphone but what about outside of working during their private time, what type of mobile phone do they use?
If I'm not mistaken, dynamic ad insertion is done by the service that serves the podcast downloads. In those cases you still get a single file similarly to non-DAI podcasts, but the ads you've had added to the insertion points aren't the same that someone downloading the same episode from a different geographical location will get. From the listener's perspective dynamic ads might be more relevant to them (local services as opposed to those possibly on a different continent altogether), but there are more downsides in the form of random ads feeling completely out of place in an episode and also different lengths of ads ruining any links to a specific part of an episode.
Luckily none of the podcasts I listen to do dynamic ads. I wish it stays that way.
exactly. At least Google gives you the services for free and their hardware is cheaper.
Problem is complaints without action are pointless. Quit if you don't like it. Stop buying Apple stuff if you don't like.
Heck for me drop your ad budget and make your product cheaper and that willl make me buy it over the competition
Wonder if they've done any market research that people would rather have ads than pay more for the product without ads? Maybe the 15 Ultra will tout no ads?
Outrage fixes nothing, and is largely ignored. Constructive and rational criticism is what causes real change.
Case in point — so far, I’ve only been seeing an ad at the top of a search results in the App Store, and now they have a single ad at the very bottom of an app listing — that’s the extent of the ads. How often do you visit the App Store? I’m there about once per week, and I don’t hang out very long. So how is this even an issue?
Regarding the rumor that there will be ads in the Maps apps — again, how often do you use this app? I use it about once per month, but seeing an offer from a business close to where I am might actually be useful.
Ads drive a large portion of the economy — you’ve got ads on the radio, tv, streaming, buses, bus stops, taxis, grocery stores, receipt tape, billboards — it is everywhere. I have found the implementation from Apple to be fine — they have ads for app in the App Store — this is where I would expect and want to see ads for apps. I will wait to see what they release in the future and form my opinion of it then. Until then, just calm down.
The Apple that won me over in 2007 died in 2013. I’ve just been holding on because they’re less bad than the competition.
Yep, it all looks the same on the scorecard. Whether you buy Apple because they are the best or least worst, the shareholders are still happy.
Kindle uses this model. It would be interesting to see their split of people who buy which (and how many later pay to remove the ads)
…CSAM was complained about and went away.
Everyone complained about MacBooks until they fixed them a few years ago.
Apple disabled the gambling Ads in the App Store recently after being called out.
Not sure how that’s pointless as you say.