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Report: Sideloading in Europe Will Still Involve App Review and Fees
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So where does Apple get those money? Bank robberies? Phone scams?
Or we are voting for Apple with our money because we consider it the best product.
I'm actually agreeing with you here. Like I said, whack MS with some new regulations as well. I'm curious about something, so now maybe you can answer a question. What's the value of the gaming market in the EU and what's the value of the mobile app market in the EU?
You're going to have to flesh this point out a bit.
There are a lot of ignorant people thinking the EU has leverage in targeting large corporations that outsmart them and their lawyers, especially when said company is under the protection of the US Government who oversees NATO who covers every single EU member states asses against rogue states and more.
Ask China how serious their threat to not purchase Apple products locally would do (and is currently doing) to their economy with losing up to over a million manufacturing jobs with Apple relocating and diversifying their manufacturing now through distributive supply chains that have no central focused end-to-end like it once had roughly eight years ago with China—that ended before the fool in 2016 entered the Oval Office.
China is spiraling into a large recession.
The EU is desperate to become a friendly end-to-end manufacturing destination but no conglomerates not already heavily invested could care to enter with such draconian conditions over their IP and business services like the crap the EU is pulling and attempting to pull by pretending to be for the consumer when what they are attempting to do is aide fledgling EU companies to get a life line in the only area they can influence—inside the EU.
Spotify is a failure and will be lucky to exist in three more years.
The EU didn’t visit Apple from a position of strength most recently, but from a position willing to compromise and reach amicable agreements.
Every action Apple enacts the EU is well aware ahead of time. If you think Apple doesn’t employ experts in International Law, European Union Law and beyond you truly have no grasp of how a corporation becomes a global indispensable brand name. Every action Apple takes has been meticulously scoured over wrt US State and Federal Laws, EU Laws, Pan Pacific Laws, United Kingdom Laws—any nation Apple does contracts with they have legal and accounting experts in those nation on pay roll.
Apple isn’t daring the EU to ratchet up some retaliation. The EU and Apple have been in negotiations for years already.
A quid pro quo for complying on side loading includes these terms. Attempting to dictate how Apple uses its IP would incur the wrath of the US Government, and no the EU doesn’t attempt that any more than the US dictates to The VW Group if it wants to sell autos inside US territories they must comply with certain demands because Ford can’t seem to get their act together without an assist from Uncle Sam.
Spotify like Epic are propped up by the EU and China, respectively and sympathetic ears are always the fools who believe they are fighting for them.
Ask China how serious their threat to not purchase Apple products locally would do (and is currently doing) to their economy with losing up to over a million manufacturing jobs with Apple relocating and diversifying their manufacturing now through distributive supply chains that have no central focused end-to-end like it once had roughly eight years ago with China—that ended before the fool in 2016 entered the Oval Office.
China is spiraling into a large recession.
The EU is desperate to become a friendly end-to-end manufacturing destination but no conglomerates not already heavily invested could care to enter with such draconian conditions over their IP and business services like the crap the EU is pulling and attempting to pull by pretending to be for the consumer when what they are attempting to do is aide fledgling EU companies to get a life line in the only area they can influence—inside the EU.
Spotify is a failure and will be lucky to exist in three more years.
The EU didn’t visit Apple from a position of strength most recently, but from a position willing to compromise and reach amicable agreements.
Every action Apple enacts the EU is well aware ahead of time. If you think Apple doesn’t employ experts in International Law, European Union Law and beyond you truly have no grasp of how a corporation becomes a global indispensable brand name. Every action Apple takes has been meticulously scoured over wrt US State and Federal Laws, EU Laws, Pan Pacific Laws, United Kingdom Laws—any nation Apple does contracts with they have legal and accounting experts in those nation on pay roll.
Apple isn’t daring the EU to ratchet up some retaliation. The EU and Apple have been in negotiations for years already.
A quid pro quo for complying on side loading includes these terms. Attempting to dictate how Apple uses its IP would incur the wrath of the US Government, and no the EU doesn’t attempt that any more than the US dictates to The VW Group if it wants to sell autos inside US territories they must comply with certain demands because Ford can’t seem to get their act together without an assist from Uncle Sam.
Spotify like Epic are propped up by the EU and China, respectively and sympathetic ears are always the fools who believe they are fighting for them.
As seems to be the running theme. Browser choice was hated and has faded away. This cookie BS I need to suffer through outside of the EU needs to die. Let me manage that once with my browser security and use of VPN. And now this. It’s performative.
Whether it's convenient or not is irrelevant. The question is whether it's fair or not.
I have read the rationale for the regulation and I agree with it and the way it's implemented, so IMHO it's fair.
You can challenge a regulation in court, e.g. if you believe it violates a law at a higher level.
One can only hope! It would be the perfect thing as this is utter nonsense.
I wonder how many people lobbying for multiple App Stores are simultaneously lamenting the state of the Streaming Industry.
Streaming is a great example of where a fragmented market place will be headed.
I want no part of that for apps.
Streaming is a great example of where a fragmented market place will be headed.
I want no part of that for apps.
You "freedom" robs me of mine as a consumer.
There you proved, you now nothing about that and you just blindly hate on EU without knowing any context whatsoever.
Which companies were designated as Very Large Online Platforms (VLOPs) under the Digital Services Act?
- Alibaba AliExpress
- Amazon Store
- Apple App Store
- Booking.com
- Google Play
- Google Maps
- Google Shopping
- Snapchat
- TikTok
- X (Twitter)
- Wikipedia
- YouTube
- Zalando
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Apple can charge what they want. They can also compete with Epic, Spotify or whoever. But the competition needs to be fair.
Haha. I’m not sure how my view is “naive” when that is exactly what I stated. Apple has chosen to subsidize the platform, in part, with fees from developers making digital sales on their platform. This profit is what funds the continued development including policies and programs that don't have an immediate ROI.
And that's one way Apple has chosen to make things more difficult for both their own consumers as well as their competitors. Are you still confused as to why the EU decided to step in?
yeah, first they add 30% to your iPhone price and then they worry about you being able to sideload that $4.99 app.
Competition is fair, just pay that 30% Appstore cut and compete
Nice strawman, why don't I see multiple app stores on android.
How about build their own phones so it will be absolutely fair competition?
Free market means without or very little government interventions.
Companies making it difficult for other companies is still a free market.
The EU never claimed to be some libertarian's fantasy of a "free market". Not even the U.S. is such.
Going to be fun when they have to enforce the same law in every industry (cars, consoles, etc).
Or can the EU just enforce a rule against one company (that isn't even close to being a monopoly) out of spite?
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You're not agreeing with me. You're discussing something different.
Google signs agreements with all of its competitors in the smartphone market except Apple covering 70% of the market in the EU for Google Play Services. These agreements prevent any significant competition across a variety of services, including the Google Play Store.
Because Google enters into these blatantly anticompetitive agreements, you are using the lack of competition in the android market to justify regulating Apple by calling them part of a duopoly. I don't think that is reasonable.
What’s more difficult about it? Microsoft could still sell their Windows/Xbox games to iOS users and didn’t have to take the time/expense to port them to iOS.
Because "iOS apps market" (and every other mobile app market) is actually not a market, but bazaar. ) Someone owns the place and takes a fee so you can trade.