Except that you have to point your phone at your face to operate Face ID. There are plenty of situations when it’s less convenient to to pick up and look at your phone than it is to unlock it with a finger without doing so.
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Except that you have to point your phone at your face to operate Face ID. There are plenty of situations when it’s less convenient to to pick up and look at your phone than it is to unlock it with a finger without doing so.
If you have an Apple Watch unlocked, that becomes a moot issue. If not, you have a point.
Another Touch ID problem for elderly people- it seemingly becomes less responsive to the touch of their fingers. I don't know why this is, reduced moisture or blood flow or whatnot, but I've witnesses it a few times with elderly relatives, where they've had to repeatedly try to get the finger to be recognised.
I wasn’t being rude just pointing out it’s probably time to move on now.
True, but to balance that out, when the phone is in my desk for example, and a notification comes in, I just have to look at the phone and it unlocks. No need to futze with the phone.
Or my fingers are wet, dirty etc.
There are pros and cons to each, except Touch ID is not coming back. So people will either move on, go android or stay on old hardware.
It doesn’t have to be that reductionist. My only point is that for many use cases Touch ID was better. The optimal solution would be to have both, and while you and others like to claim the function will never come back, never is a very long time. Contexts change and while the probability is low, I’d be hesitant to say “never” about it.
Phone is one of my least used apps, and because Touch ID is so much better and more convenient for me I only really use my phone as an iPod for listening to podcasts nowadays as it is easier to carry between rooms. For everything else I use my iPad mini as it works how I want.
One particular example is reading notifications to scan news headlines etc., more than half the time touching the screen causes Face ID to unlock the phone and launch the app when I just want to scroll or open a group. Touch ID lets me decide when I want to unlock a device, Face ID just presumes I always want to unlock the device.
And as others have said, there are many times when I am sitting down, can see the phone on the table and reach out to unlock it to read a text message notification, except you cannot do that on a phone. Instead I have to pick it up and hold it to my face, and then if it does not work I have to enter my passcode then drag the notifications down on the home screen. If I have the iPad to hand then I can just rest my finger on the button, and even when it wants a passcode it does not go to the home screen.
Though Touch ID wants a passcode less often because it only needs it every so often as Apple requires. But Face ID constantly gets locked because of all the times it decides that any contact with the phones means I want to unlock it, so it takes the absence of a face as a security risk.
But I already know I will never buy a brand new iPhone again because of this. It is just a shame that Android is so much worse than iOS and there is no other viable competition.
If Face ID works for other people then fine, I have no problem that it is an option for them. But I never got used to it, I find it makes using my phone a poorer experience to the point I use it far less. Touch ID is good enough for Apple on my iPad, it is good enough for Apple on my MacBook. I am not the one being awkward here, the iPhone is the exception.
One particular example is reading notifications to scan news headlines etc., more than half the time touching the screen causes Face ID to unlock the phone and launch the app when I just want to scroll or open a group. Touch ID lets me decide when I want to unlock a device, Face ID just presumes I always want to unlock the device.
And as others have said, there are many times when I am sitting down, can see the phone on the table and reach out to unlock it to read a text message notification, except you cannot do that on a phone. Instead I have to pick it up and hold it to my face, and then if it does not work I have to enter my passcode then drag the notifications down on the home screen. If I have the iPad to hand then I can just rest my finger on the button, and even when it wants a passcode it does not go to the home screen.
Though Touch ID wants a passcode less often because it only needs it every so often as Apple requires. But Face ID constantly gets locked because of all the times it decides that any contact with the phones means I want to unlock it, so it takes the absence of a face as a security risk.
But I already know I will never buy a brand new iPhone again because of this. It is just a shame that Android is so much worse than iOS and there is no other viable competition.
If Face ID works for other people then fine, I have no problem that it is an option for them. But I never got used to it, I find it makes using my phone a poorer experience to the point I use it far less. Touch ID is good enough for Apple on my iPad, it is good enough for Apple on my MacBook. I am not the one being awkward here, the iPhone is the exception.
For the foreseeable future Touch ID is not coming back, according to apple. That doesn’t leave a whole lot of choices for those who want Touch ID.
I agree. There are pros and cons associated with each.
I agree. Never say never. But I addressed that at the top of this post.
Those who want multiple authentication methods including Touch ID with modern hardware have to move to android.
There are hundreds of millions maybe billions of iPhones vs iPad and MacBook. That scale may provide some context as to why apple opted in for Face ID in the iPhone. My guess is they see a benefit to the universe of iPhone users.
I have an iPad with Touch ID and I don’t remember Touch ID being that finicky on my 6s. I went from a 6s to an xs max with Face ID.
It’s your prerogative to stay with older hardware, but for me I would make the adjustment in the usage of my iPhone.
I have an iPhone 11 Pro, which is why I speak from experience about how awful the Face ID experience is for me. And why I have had to make the adjustment in using it to switching to my iPad where practicable. Not through choice but naturally through the difference in usability.
At some point I will have to upgrade again, when my iPhone no longer gets iOS updates and so apps stop supporting it. But I will not buy a new one because its usefulness to me no longer justifies buying the latest model, and I do nto want Apple taking my purchase as an endorsement of what it, for me, a substandard product.
You said, "I don't get why people are so against touch ID coming back ALONGSIDE FaceID - would give everyone the ability to use the tech they want."
That would just make too much sense. Tim Cook doesn't have the logic skills to process that.
According to Cook's MBA degree, profits are more important than providing the best user experience. Shareholders are more important than customers.
I don't get why people (who are customers and not shareholders) support Cook so much. He doesn't care about them.
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it would be fine if we could have both, but I really much prefer face-id. It almost always works, even in dark surroundings, bright sunlight, with glasses, with sunglasses, in every angle and distance etc.
Touch-id worked about half the time, if my finger was cold, wet, dirty or I missed the button by half a mm it didn't recognize me and it was very annoying.
My friend couldn't use face-id and was very frustrated until we found the problem: she had a screen protector which was damaged and therefor the face-id didn't work properly. Could something like this be the problem for those of you who says face-id works about half the time? I have never had any problems with face-id, it just works all the time.
Touch-id worked about half the time, if my finger was cold, wet, dirty or I missed the button by half a mm it didn't recognize me and it was very annoying.
My friend couldn't use face-id and was very frustrated until we found the problem: she had a screen protector which was damaged and therefor the face-id didn't work properly. Could something like this be the problem for those of you who says face-id works about half the time? I have never had any problems with face-id, it just works all the time.
The same people who praise Tim Cook for not including Touch ID on the upcoming iPhone 16 would be praising him if it were included.
Tim Cook fans have no objectivity when it comes to the issue of Apple products' functionality. In their minds, even if Apple's new products lack user-friendly functionality, Cook is doing a good job as long as Apple makes astronomical profits.
Tim Cook fans have no objectivity when it comes to the issue of Apple products' functionality. In their minds, even if Apple's new products lack user-friendly functionality, Cook is doing a good job as long as Apple makes astronomical profits.
One situation where it doesn't work well for me is when I'm waking up with dry eyes so I can't really open them as much as Face ID wants me to. Being very nearsighted, I also often have to hold the phone slightly farther away for Face ID to work than I would otherwise want to. Furthermore, Face ID tends to add a delay when pickung up the phone/iPad that Touch ID doesn't, because the latter registers your fingerprint before you have raised the device in front of your face, and there is no need to swipe up. It's a set of trade-offs, Face ID isn't universally more convenient.
Amended to illustrate the other side.
Cook is a good businessman. So was Steve. Neither was entirely responsible for the product stack, they both enabled a team of talented engineers to do their best work - in entirely different ways. Steve by relentless criticism. Tim by steering the ship so that it has ample funding to experiment in new product categories with.
Apple's product stack from 1, 2, 3 decades ago was great - IN ITS TIME. Go back and run OS9 (or even macOS 10.5 or earlier) or iOS 3 and see just how far things have actually come - by modern standards - i'm sorry but both are crap.
They lack basic functionality, more holes (security wise) than swiss cheese, can't even resize windows from any corner, no cut/paste on the phone, etc.
