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SE2 user: Touch ID works every single time.

iPad Pro user: Face ID works about half the time. Glasses on, glasses off, move my face, blah blah blah.
 
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You don't need to hold the phone up to scan properly. If you're going to be using your phone then you're going to be looking at it and any way you look at it then Face ID will unlock. Unless you're phone is at an extreme angle or you're far enough away from it.

You can unlock Face Id by keeping your phone down. You just need to look down for a split second to give attention and it will unlock.

How are you using your phone? lol
I'm not sure how the other guy's clear explanation confused you. When a phone is on a desk and you want to glance down at it but not look away from the meeting in a terribly obvious and rude way, it's so much easier to rest a finger or thumb on a TouchID button than grip the whole phone to press the side button (if you have always on Display turned off), and then angle the phone up towards you/stare downwards.
 
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A combination of Touch ID, Passcodes and Face ID would be optimal to either combine those

Or use the most appropriate way of authentification for the current moment
 
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I still find FaceID a largely worse experience than I ever did with TouchID. FaceID doesn't "just work" for me as I end up having to type my passcode in way way more often than I ever did with TouchID. It's OK if you prefer it, but to suggest that we don't need TouchID because YOU don't want it is absurd.
It’s irrelevant that people who prefer touch ID exist. What is relevant is that they are a minority small enough that Apple will not include it, just like the headphone jack. For the majority of people face ID works totally fine. Apple was never about including everything but the kitchen sink just in case someone might need it. Which is why I always found this rumour odd.

I could easily turn your argument around: To suggest that Apple should implement a (very complicated) hardware feature just because YOU want it is absurd.
 
It’s irrelevant that people who prefer touch ID exist. What is relevant is that they are a minority small enough that Apple will not include it, just like the headphone jack. For the majority of people face ID works totally fine. Apple was never about including everything but the kitchen sink just in case someone might need it. Which is why I always found this rumour odd.

I could easily turn your argument around: To suggest that Apple should implement a (very complicated) hardware feature just because YOU want it is absurd.
I think the other issue is that finger print recognition is less secure than Face ID. This means reintroducing a finger print scanner would degrade the security of the options available for securing your device.
 
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I think the other issue is that finger print recognition is less secure than Face ID. This means reintroducing a finger print scanner would degrade the security of the options available for securing your device.
That's funny, I would say FaceID is less secure because it asks you to key in your PIN code WAY too much -- that's the least secure way to access an iPhone. (by PIN)

I'll probably end up giving up on iPhone because of that. Android and my Samsung Flip asks once after a reboot for a PIN code, my iPhone asks multiple times a day.
 
That's funny, I would say FaceID is less secure because it asks you to key in your PIN code WAY too much -- that's the least secure way to access an iPhone. (by PIN)

I'll probably end up giving up on iPhone because of that. Android and my Samsung Flip asks once after a reboot for a PIN code, my iPhone asks multiple times a day.
No the PIN is the most secure, that’s why it’s the fallback. face ID and Touch ID are less secure, but are convenience features. Face ID is more secure than Touch ID.


What Is the Most Secure Authentication Method?​

Facial recognition, fingerprint scanning, and even iris scanning are secondary security methods. They are currently not safe enough to be used as the sole authentication method to secure your device. This means you’ll have to use multi-factor authentication (MFA) to maximize your protection.

That's why, for instance, Apple's Face ID also requires you enter a passcode in certain situations, including when you turn your device off then on again.”
 
I'm not sure how the other guy's clear explanation confused you. When a phone is on a desk and you want to glance down at it but not look away from the meeting in a terribly obvious and rude way, it's so much easier to rest a finger or thumb on a TouchID button than grip the whole phone to press the side button (if you have always on Display turned off), and then angle the phone up towards you/stare downwards.
I find this argument highly amusing, and not just because I’m not sure why you would need the side button in that scenario.

As a person who are in several meetings every day, let me break it to you: Everyone knows you’re looking at your phone and not paying attention to the meeting. Especially if the phone is “on a desk”. Just like all the girls know you are looking at their boobs. How you are unlocking it is not the issue. And don’t try to tell me that what you are looking at is relevant for the meeting, because then you wouldn’t need to hide it. Stop pretending that you are out-smarting everyone.

If not having touch ID prevents you from reading emails or checking Instagram or what the hell it is you are doing that is more important than the meeting you are in, GOOD!
 
I'm already researching how to untether myself from the Apple ecosystem so that I can upgrade to an Android phone with fingerprint ID. This just cements that decision.
 
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Not coming next year but will come out in 2025 or 2026 and be called something like revolutionary super dooper touchID. Apple will pretend underscreen fingerprint scanning has never been done before.
It won’t, it’s less secure than Face ID. What were more likely to see is under screen Face ID
 
I find this argument highly amusing, and not just because I’m not sure why you would need the side button in that scenario.

As a person who are in several meetings every day, let me break it to you: Everyone knows you’re looking at your phone and not paying attention to the meeting. Especially if the phone is “on a desk”. Just like all the girls know you are looking at their boobs. How you are unlocking it is not the issue. And don’t try to tell me that what you are looking at is relevant for the meeting, because then you wouldn’t need to hide it. Stop pretending that you are out-smarting everyone.

If not having touch ID prevents you from reading emails or checking Instagram or what the hell it is you are doing that is more important than the meeting you are in, GOOD!
There's a difference between briefly glancing at your phone and lifting your phone and staring at it. I never said it was impossible to detect. Congratulations on being in daily meetings- you say that like it makes you unique here.
 
Do you want to know why it wont? BECAUSE IT WOULD COST APPLE TOO MUCH AND CUT INTO THEIR PROFITS!

having FaceID and TouchID would be a great addition to iphone, it would give people option to choose which one, or just use both when one of them doesnt work well(Sunshine straight into FaceID cameras or wearing a mask)
 
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Do you want to know why it wont? BECAUSE IT WOULD COST APPLE TOO MUCH AND CUT INTO THEIR PROFITS!

having FaceID and TouchID would be a great addition to iphone, it would give people option to choose which one, or just use both when one of them doesnt work well(Sunshine straight into FaceID cameras or wearing a mask)
That’s what the device passcode is for; as a fallback for when the convenience feature doesn’t work.
 
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I like Face ID on my phone, but hate it on my iPad. I have the 12.9 inch and my hands block the camera in landscape. All the time.
 
No the PIN is the most secure, that’s why it’s the fallback. face ID and Touch ID are less secure, but are convenience features. Face ID is more secure than Touch ID.
I'll just have to disagree. Someone can watch you key in your PIN and if they do and then get ahold of your phone, they have it all. At least with touchID and faceID it's harder to unlock. Though you can bypass both faceID and touchid with a pin, so maybe you're right and we really don't have any secure way.

That's why, for instance, Apple's Face ID also requires you enter a passcode in certain situations, including when you turn your device off then on again.”
It sure asks me more times than that for me, but that's the only time my android phone asks for a PIN. I'm not quite sure why that's a requirement with either.
 
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I'll just have to disagree. Someone can watch you key in your PIN and if they do and then get ahold of your phone, they have it all. At least with touchID and faceID it's harder to unlock. Though you can bypass both faceID and touchid with a pin, so maybe you're right and we really don't have any secure way.


It sure asks me more times than that for me, but that's the only time my android phone asks for a PIN. I'm not quite sure why that's a requirement with either.


If someone has your device passcode, it’s irrelevant how secure Face ID and Touch ID are. But we aren’t talking about situations where you have given or someone has watched you type in your device passcode when we are talking about the security of the unlock method.

If you give a random stranger your phone it is more likely that their finger print will unlock the phone than their face will. Likewise it is also more likely that their face will unlock the phone than them guessing what your device passcode is.

The device passcode is the most secure way of locking your device, BUT ONLY IF YOU DONT LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THAT PASSCODE IS.

A passcode is not secure if someone else knows what it is. You are screwed if someone knows your passcode, because that they’ve already obtained the most secure method to unlocking your device.
 
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