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Report: Touch ID Will Not Return on iPhone 16

mrochester said:
Probably worth trying to figure out why it’s asking you so much.
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It's always been that way over multiple iPhones, so I doubt it's the hardware. It is worse right now, but it certainly isn't that much worse than normal for me.

It's something about me that the phone isn't reading consistently. And as far as I know, there's no way to debug such a problem, as that would be a security risk itself!

Anyway, I don't like FaceID because it doesn't work well for me. I do like touchid on my Android phone because it does work well, so I'd wish the iPhone got touchid back, but I realize that's extremely unlikely. That's just not something Apple would do, even if it works better for some people. They really don't care about things like that and it's certainly not the only reason I'm not liking Apple right now. I also have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 that's too dim to see in darkened places, so it's the same problem of not caring about things like accessibility. I might as well not have my watch on if I'm driving at night, or at home...
 
Velli said:
It’s irrelevant that people who prefer touch ID exist. What is relevant is that they are a minority small enough that Apple will not include it, just like the headphone jack. For the majority of people face ID works totally fine. Apple was never about including everything but the kitchen sink just in case someone might need it. Which is why I always found this rumour odd.

I could easily turn your argument around: To suggest that Apple should implement a (very complicated) hardware feature just because YOU want it is absurd.
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Except that minority is very likely much larger than you think it is so it quite literally isn't just me wanting it...
 
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HVDynamo said:
Except that minority is very likely much larger than you think it is so it quite literally isn't just me wanting it...
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The minority might be large in absolutely numbers, but still be a minority.

It’s all irrelevant really; I don’t think you should be looking at Apple to go back to Touch ID. You’ll need to look elsewhere if you want a phone with a FPS.
 
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mrochester said:
I think the other issue is that finger print recognition is less secure than Face ID. This means reintroducing a finger print scanner would degrade the security of the options available for securing your device.
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For the purpose they serve, both are secure enough. This is a non-issue. Additionally, If both were to exist on the iPhone, if you really don't want TouchID enabled, then don't. The way I see it, you could set up one or the other or both. Set up the one you prefer and call it a day.
 
HVDynamo said:
For the purpose they serve, both are secure enough. This is a non-issue. Additionally, If both were to exist on the iPhone, if you really don't want TouchID enabled, then don't. The way I see it, you could set up one or the other or both. Set up the one you prefer and call it a day.
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You could do, but is likely to not happen.
 
mrochester said:
No the PIN is the most secure, that’s why it’s the fallback. face ID and Touch ID are less secure, but are convenience features. Face ID is more secure than Touch ID.

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What Is the Most Secure Authentication Method?​

Facial recognition, fingerprint scanning, and even iris scanning are secondary security methods. They are currently not safe enough to be used as the sole authentication method to secure your device. This means you’ll have to use multi-factor authentication (MFA) to maximize your protection.

That's why, for instance, Apple's Face ID also requires you enter a passcode in certain situations, including when you turn your device off then on again.”
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I think you are forgetting why a PIN is not secure. If you are entering it in public where there are numerous cameras around, it's super easy for someone to see what you type in. Sure, when you are home it's fine. But that's a pretty blaring omission in your list. There is almost no scenario where entering your pin in public is more secure and if you have to type the PIN more often with FaceID (which the other commenter and I have in common), then the chance of running into that scenario is more likely and therefore less secure.
 
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HVDynamo said:
I think you are forgetting why a PIN is not secure. If you are entering it in public where there are numerous cameras around, it's super easy for someone to see what you type in. Sure, when you are home it's fine. But that's a pretty blaring omission in your list. There is almost no scenario where entering your pin in public is more secure and if you have to type the PIN more often with FaceID (which the other commenter and I have in common), then the chance of running into that scenario is more likely and therefore less secure.
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I’m not forgetting that but that’s not a failure of the phone and its security; it’s a failure of the user to be vigilant when inputting their passcode in a public place.

The device passcode is the most secure way to lock your phone, as long as you do not allow anyone to learn your passcode. But that is with you to ensure.
 
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mrochester said:
I’m not forgetting that but that’s not a failure of the phone and its security; it’s a failure of the user to be vigilant when inputting their passcode in a public place.

The device passcode is the most secure way to lock your phone, as long as you do not allow anyone to learn your passcode. But that is with you to handle.
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It's still security. Anything involving any method for someone to gain access to a locked device is security related. You can't just ignore that one because it helps your argument... Just because FaceID works great for you doesn't mean it works the same for everyone else. The reason I advocate for having both is because I recognize how the experience and use cases can be different for different people. Think beyond your own experience for once.
 
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Jlevib said:
But more importantly, will they bring back the 30 pin port?
Joking aside, I did like how fingerprint was faster at unlocking my phone; but was anyone really expecting it to come back?
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Ever since the home button was removed from iPhone there have been rumors and speculation about the return of TouchID as an under-screen reader. Some suggested that the entire screen would be a finger print reader. Others that the power button would get TouchID.

So yes, many of us have been, maybe not fully expecting it to come back, but holding out some hope that the rumors would bear out and TouchID would be added back at some point, alongside FaceID.
 
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orbital~debris said:
What are you talking about? Face ID even works in pitch black darkness due to how Apple implemented the feature, with infra-red part of the design.
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I wish it worked for me, but if I am in a room with no decent lighting on other than a tv screen, FaceID just does not recognize my face. I have to have a lamp on or use my passcode in dark rooms or at night without bright lights around.
 
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ApAx said:
I wish it worked for me, but if I am in a room with no decent lighting on other than a tv screen, FaceID just does not recognize my face. I have to have a lamp on or use my passcode in dark rooms or at night without bright lights around.
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Face ID can recognize faces in pitch black. Suggest bring the iPhone to an Apple Store to help diagnose the issue.
 
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HVDynamo said:
It's still security. Anything involving any method for someone to gain access to a locked device is security related. You can't just ignore that one because it helps your argument... Just because FaceID works great for you doesn't mean it works the same for everyone else. The reason I advocate for having both is because I recognize how the experience and use cases can be different for different people. Think beyond your own experience for once.
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Security is only as strong as the weakest link, in this case the phone user themselves.
 
I7guy said:
Face ID can recognize faces in pitch black. Suggest bring the iPhone to an Apple Store to help diagnose the issue.
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This does seem to have gotten worse since “upgrading” to iPhone 15 Pro / iOS 17. My iPhone X prior didn’t struggle so much
 
ApAx said:
This does seem to have gotten worse since “upgrading” to iPhone 15 Pro / iOS 17. My iPhone X prior didn’t struggle so much
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My 15PM works in pitch black and in bright sunlight. My iPhone X worked in pitch black also but had issues in direct sunlight.. Something is either wrong with the way you setup your FaceID (distance or angle for example) or there's might something wrong with the FaceID hardware itself...
 
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Touch ID is useful when you need to use your phone as a 2 factor for work sign-in prompts. I can reach out and touch the button without having to pickup the damned phone all the time (and I need to 2 factor maybe 10-20 times a day). I want it back. Been stuck on my iPhone 8plus until Apple decide to reintroduce this much missed feature.
 
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hoopyfrube1968 said:
Touch ID is useful when you need to use your phone as a 2 factor for work sign-in prompts. I can reach out and touch the button without having to pickup the damned phone all the time (and I need to 2 factor maybe 10-20 times a day). I want it back. Been stuck on my iPhone 8plus until Apple decide to reintroduce this much missed feature.
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You’ll be waiting forever 😂
 
krspkbl said:
Face ID "just works" because I don't need to think about it. Unless we got full display sensor for Touch ID then you'd need to make sure you placed your finger in the exact spot for recognition.
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This.

I'd rather touchID on teh power button (like with the ipad mini/air) rather than on-display for this exact reason. Unless the display is one huge sensor (which is going to be stupid expensive/not feasible) you're going to have to be precise with the finger as opposed to... just pick the thing up and look at the screen.
 
gumbyhw said:
My parents, in their late 80s, would find Face ID quite difficult to manage. But a Touch ID like the ipad air’s would work fine.
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Really? I'm in my mid 60's and I have NO problems with new tech. People tend to adjust because here's my experience. I ran a small business and advertised in the phone book and other print media, distributed to homes. At the time (2005) seniors were used to the phone book even though the internet was thriving. Once Google became the defacto search engine, pretty much all advertising went online.

All of my customers who were 60 and above at the time found me the old fashioned way. Once the phone books disappeared that same age group and higher many into their 80's now found me via the internet. At first I was curious if they found me because of a referral, they said NO, they did a search on their computer and my company came up towards the top. It became clear that people tend to get into a comfort zone but when they HAVE to, they will adjust.

Give people i.e. your parents a little more credit than that. Besides looking at a phone or iPad and swiping up takes less time and steps than placing your finger on the circular cutout and as people get older, we tend to sometimes get the shakes so that also can produce problems when it comes to Touch ID.
 
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