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Report: Work on Multiple Next-Gen Vision Pro Headsets Ongoing, Including Cheaper Model
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I love how people keep bringing up the iPhone. First there was already a lucrative mobile phone market. There doesn’t exist one with VR/AR.
The doubters are coming from Apple fans. I am one of them.
It’s MUCH closer to success than it is to failure. Selling out, regardless of how many are made, is a success. People are acting like this thing is just gonna be sitting on the shelves, impossible to sell, and that is far from what will actually happen.
Like the lucrative popular tablet market before the iPad? Or the lucrative smart watch market? Come on give me a break. The same people who were wrong then are the same people who are wrong now, they never learn. I would argue the VR market is much more popular today than the tablet market was before the iPad. But that’s not even the point, the Vision Pro isn‘t really geared towards the VR market anyway, although I’m sure that’s where it’ll get majority of its use cases for its first couple of years. The AR market is the long term goal, the idea of “headphones for the eyes”. But still my point is this thing will sell out, the shipping dates will slip to weeks, then to months, and soon be damn near impossible to find and then Apple will release the next generation. All while people here in the comment section are wrongly predicting it to bomb, it’s ridiculous.
I know, right, I knew it was a good idea -- I bought the first version and have bough many since. My current one is an M2 iPad Pro
Yeah, I knew this was an even better idea. I bought the first version of that too, even paid for the SS. I've had many since.
As for the iPhone, first one was a 3gs, but then I didn't know about apple at all back then. I've had many since, but now kind of turning away from them. I still have a 14Pro though.
But the Vision, no way, no how, am I going to buy that. There is just no use case for me that would temp me to hang that thing on my face for extended time. I don't do video calls. The only gaming I do is with a console, and VERY little of that. Maybe once every few months. I don't see in 3d anyway and needing personalized lenses is a bad cost-wise. I'm a total introvert, but I don't need to go into my own little world and hide from everything. I like stationary monitors and computers, and am quite productive with them.
Was the airpod max a hit? Was the MacBook Pro a hit? Mac Pro? Studio?
Nope. They’re all niche products. Happy to own a niche product btw. What world do you live in that you think $3500 vr/ar headset will be selling like iPhones? My MacBook Pro m1max wasn’t even this much lol
Please show me where I said anything remotely close to saying it will sell the same as the iPhone. Because I never said that nor do I think that. Literally the article we’re commenting on says that Apple plans to only sell a million units in 2024. I’m simply saying Apple will absolutely be successful in those plans, while so many other people are here saying it will bomb, and those people are wrong.
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Eh you’re backpedaling.. You keep comparing it to an iPhone.
Maybe you should compare it to the Mac wheels 🛞?
Eh you’re backpedaling.. You keep comparing it to an iPhone.
Maybe you should compare it to the Mac wheels 🛞?
That’s because you’re very limited in your thinking, I agree with you on the use case, as I don’t currently plan to buy one either. But I’m smart enough to know that in 10 years that could be VERY different. I’m also smart enough to know that this product category has to start somewhere, and this is a good start. You obviously won’t admit it right now but I guarantee in the future you’ll realize how wrong you were with your thinking today. Even if you never buy any version of the Vision for the rest of your life, you’ll at least understand its place in the market.
You literally lie and then accuse me of backpedaling? Please show me where I “keep comparing it to an iPhone”. The only time I mentioned the iPhone was when I was talking about how people claimed the iPhone would fail after it was announced, that’s all. And newsflash, those people were wrong too.
You have no clue what my thinking is like, so kindly refrain from saying something you don't know anything about.
It could be, if it isn't a big set of heavy goggles strapped to your face. (that's the biggest problem)
I wasn't really commenting on that, just the vision pro itself. Give me a heads up display for AR that's as light as normal glasses, I'll buy it as I see lots of uses. But that's VERY different than the Vision Pro.
That's where we disagree, this *isn't* a good start. It's a very poor start that's been tried before and it doesn't sell well.
There you go again being omniscient. Well, like I said above, you have no clue.
Hot take: All the engineering for Vision Pro should be going into an affordable consumer model. You will want as many people to be able to get the headset as possible to build a userbase which would encourage XR developers to develop for your platform, otherwise developers will just ignore you and keep developing for Quest instead.
Ok in that instance, you were the one to reply to my comment about how you personally don’t see the need to buy one. But if you don’t want to talk about you because I don’t know anything about you that’s fine. But then I don’t see the point of your original comment and why you felt the need to point out why you won’t buy the Vision Pro. The only point I was making was that it’s going to sell out, disagreeing with someone who thinks it will bomb. And it will sell out, regardless if you buy one or not.
For VR yes probably me too. But I’d pay much more for AR because AR is much more useful for me. Also requires more technology.
Now you’re qualifying your previous statement. “Regardless of how many are made.” Let’s suppose Apple made 100 million of them on release. Would those sell out?
What I’m getting at is that Apple will INTENTIONALLY restrict the number they produce in order to MANUFACTURE scarcity around the product.
Because Apple won’t make enough to satisfy even the meager demand. But they’ll still shout about how they “couldn’t keep up with orders.”
To be honest, I’m still not sure it will do well at any price point. Whether there is room in the market for AR/VR computing as a mass-market device totally remains to be seen.
If it was just a ‘computing device’ similar to a Mac I’d say it would fail, but it carries with it the promise of a new kind of immersive computing, and the question is can you get value out of that. I won’t be an early adopter, unlike with the iPhone, which was clearly going to be a hit product.
Selling a million units at 3500 dollars seems like a fairly steep ask. Be interesting to see how they do, I may ask for a demo in store at some point.
If it was just a ‘computing device’ similar to a Mac I’d say it would fail, but it carries with it the promise of a new kind of immersive computing, and the question is can you get value out of that. I won’t be an early adopter, unlike with the iPhone, which was clearly going to be a hit product.
Selling a million units at 3500 dollars seems like a fairly steep ask. Be interesting to see how they do, I may ask for a demo in store at some point.
Unless Apple can come up with a design that can rival https://www.bigscreenvr.com/ then they are going to be in serious trouble in my opinion.
because even though this one works on windows based machines, it's small design would be enough to entice potential VR buyers to move to windows OS or not to bother at all if they stubbornly want to stick with mac machines.
because even though this one works on windows based machines, it's small design would be enough to entice potential VR buyers to move to windows OS or not to bother at all if they stubbornly want to stick with mac machines.
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I guess I missed some details in your list.
I’ll just point out that most people didn’t buy those first gen devices at introductory prices though. They bought later/cheaper generations. For every expensive product that launched a new market, there are several others that failed.
First gen devices are often unaffordable to most people. AVP is in that same boat. Whether future, lower cost devices will deliver value to mainstream consumers is an open question, but that doesn’t impact the value proposition of the first gen. It’s not there.
Anyone who has to cut back on other spending to buy a $3500 headset would almost certainly be better off spending that money elsewhere.
Buying a second or third gen Apple device is generally a better idea. The first gen typically costs more and isn’t supported for as long as the later devices are.
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how can you keep comparing it to the iPhone success when it's not even out? What do you know what we don't? lol