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mattopotamus

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Serious question with the RAM and iPhones. Will the 6GBs of RAM even see the useful light of day? I feel like the phone will be obsolete before the RAM is optimized. From what I have always seen, the OS is optimized to be used on phones with as little as two GB of RAM.
 
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Sasparilla

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This'll be interesting. I could see them all being 4GB, although the Pro moniker is really looking for some differentiation.

As to the comment about different RAM capacities of the same model based on storage capacity, that's not something Apple has done before, but I know Samsung has done that for the S10+ over in the Android world - sounds very Samscummy. Doubt we'll see that with Apple.

I wonder if iOS will arbitrarily require 3Gb RAM?

Otherwise how else will Apple justify forcing me to downgrade from my 6s+ to one of the new phones without headphone jack and with worse screen while giving them a thousand dollars?

They'll just wait till next year when its time for the 6s to fall off support (so many more years later than it would have if it was an Android phone). But 6s's / SE's are supported for iOS 13.
 
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macduke

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I was wondering if they would do something with the RAM to further distinguish the iPhone Pro models, which is something they’ve done in the iPad Pro. That being said, I can’t say at this point that I would be disappointed if the iPhone Pro doesn’t have more RAM. I just can’t imagine it making much of an impact unless I’m keeping my iPhone for many years and I never do that. Back in the day Apple put 1GB in my iPhone 6 Plus and it was terrible. Once the iPhone got to 2GB most of the low RAM issues with browser tabs always reloading and apps not staying loaded in the background mostly went away and 4GB pretty much eliminated 99% of issues that one was likely to encounter. If they add 6GB it would likely be for camera stuff—but I thought I read it was limited to recording two cameras at once like the standard 11? Maybe it can show more camera feeds at once and needs it for that?
 

russell_314

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I want them to be fair and don’t even sell a “Pro” phone with 64GB of capacity. In any case all “Pro’s” should come with the same RAM.
So fair is forcing people to pay for more storage even if 64 GB is more than enough. Apple isn't GIVING people anything. They are SELLING a product. Why do people somehow feel Apple is a charity.
 

Khedron

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Serious question with the RAM and iPhones. Will the 6GBs of RAM even see the useful light of day? I feel like the phone will be absolute before the RAM is optimized. From what I have always seen, the OS is optimized to be used on phones with as little as two GB of RAM.

"Optimisation" isn't magic, it just means automatically deleting apps from memory when you leave them. The more RAM, the fewer reloads required, the faster the phone in real life.

Synthetic benchmarks like Geekbench don't take this into account, which is why "much slower" Android phones outperform iPhones in real life by not having to relaunch an app every time you swap to it. The only time an iPhone is faster is the very first time you open an app after restarting your phone.

Summary: more RAM is always useful.
 

Xian Zhu Xuande

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Sounds like it may be 4GB on the new iPhone and 6GBs on the iPhone Pro models. There's no basis or reason to think that it would vary based on storage size.
 

Aston441

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They'll just wait till next year when its time for the 6s to fall off support (so many more years later than it would have if it was an Android phone). But 6s's / SE's are supported for iOS 13.


I don’t know why we put up with this though.

I can put windows 10 or the latest Linux on a 20 year old PC if I feel like it.

We’re really getting screwed now.

Apple dropped support for my 2011 MacBook Air, so I’m just running Latest Windows 10 and Ubuntu on it.

It’s just completely wrong that Apple locks down hardware THAT I PAID FOR and won’t let me continue to update it because they won’t release the keys to the hardware like all iOS devices.

So I don’t really own the hardware.

I guess I’m a fool for Apple lies and deception. More evil than Microsoft in their most evil time.
 
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russell_314

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Sounds like it may be 4GB on the new iPhone and 6GBs on the iPhone Pro models. There's no basis or reason to think that it would vary based on storage size.
I think because Samsung did this with the Note 9 people feel Apple may do the same. Why don't we just wait till the phones are released so then we can find more stuff to complain about lol
 
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russell_314

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I don’t know why we put up with this though.

I can put windows 10 or the latest Linux on a 20 year old PC if I feel like it.

We’re really getting screwed now.

Apple dropped support for my 2011 MacBook Air, so I’m just running Latest Windows 10 and Ubuntu on it.

It’s just completely wrong that Apple locks down hardware THAT I PAID FOR and won’t let me continue to update it because they won’t release the keys to the hardware like all iOS devices.

So I don’t really own the hardware.

I guess I’m a fool for Apple lies and deception. More evil than Microsoft in their most evil time.
You own the hardware. You don't own a lifetime support contract from Apple. Many people use older Macs and iPhones without the latest OS.
 

Khedron

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I think because Samsung did this with the Note 9 people feel Apple may do the same. Why don't we just wait till the phones are released so then we can find more stuff to complain about lol

Apple varies the amount of RAM with storage size on iPad Pros so it's not unprecedented

edit: see also smbu2000 above
 

Xian Zhu Xuande

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I think because Samsung did this with the Note 9 people feel Apple may do the same. Why don't we just wait till the phones are released so then we can find more stuff to complain about lol
Haha. People here don't need any new knowledge or event to complain about. They will find something to complain about through virtue of their own determination.

I'm surprised even Samsung would do this unless they advertised RAM values in advance, in which case it makes more sense and can be a reasonable feature. But not when RAM values aren't advertised and not in the case of Apple where they have always been consistent for a given iPhone model at any storage point (along with other specs but storage).
 
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So fair is forcing people to pay for more storage even if 64 GB is more than enough. Apple isn't GIVING people anything. They are SELLING a product. Why do people somehow feel Apple is a charity.
You can make business and be fair. Just like any other OEM which sells their phones starting at 128GB, and some at 256GB even. You are probably the one who defended Apple for selling the 6S at 16GB. No point to even argue, nothing will open your eyes.
 

russell_314

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Well the current iPad Pro (2018) models also come with different amounts of RAM. They include 4GB of RAM except for the most expensive 1TB models (both 11" and 12.9"), which have 6GB of RAM.
Interesting. Perhaps they might mirror this but I doubt it.
 

mr.steevo

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Question.

Why does RAM seem to double (128MB-256MB-512MB-1GB-2GB) but now it has gone to 3GB & 6GB?
Is this unusual in the computer world? And is this problematic like having unmatched pairs of RAM in a Mac?
Any explanation someone here is able to give?
 

russell_314

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You can make business and be fair. Just like any other OEM which sells their phones starting at 128GB, and some at 256GB even. You are probably the one who defended Apple for selling the 6S at 16GB. No point to even argue, nothing will open your eyes.
"Be fair" wow. It's not fair for consumers to pay more for something they don't need. If you want the option then get it. Don't demand everyone else will have it too. This isn't the Soviet Socialist Republic of Apple LOL
 

ilikewhey

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So fair is forcing people to pay for more storage even if 64 GB is more than enough. Apple isn't GIVING people anything. They are SELLING a product. Why do people somehow feel Apple is a charity.
for what, phone calls and text message? the iphone 11 series is camera centric upgrade, with 4k 60hz, how long do you think 64gb is going to last.
 
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