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Actually, Microsoft settled their case for stealing Apple's Quicktime code, in addition to their UI infringement case, in 1997.

We were discussing the present (I think. I've long since gotten confused by the places this thread has gone).
 
OK, so the $790 designer blue jeans on the left (half-price today, only $395) are not overpriced compared to the $48 Levi's jeans (marked down to $33) on the right, if you perceive the designer jeans to be a better value.

Now I understand Apple's margins.

Not if one considers that the 'designer jeans' in question remain invulnerable to moths eating holes in them, permanent stains, and erosion due to the elements.

No OS X, no sale.

The perennial deal breaker.
 
The perennial deal breaker.

It can be a 16-core, 2gb videocard monster for an insane deal, but if there's no OS X - if I don't get the OS X user experience and the Apple ecosystem - then why would I want it? The whole point of a Mac isn't just the beautiful design, but the OS, and the way it works with the hardware.
 
We were discussing the present (I think. I've long since gotten confused by the places this thread has gone).

Eventually, we'll see how the Zune HD "pinch and zoom" issue is dealt with.

It can be a 16-core, 2gb videocard monster for an insane deal, but if there's no OS X - if I don't get the OS X user experience and the Apple ecosystem - then why would I want it? The whole point of a Mac isn't just the beautiful design, but the OS, and the way it works with the hardware.

Precisely.

The UE (user experience) far outweighs any incremental variants in horsepower in terms of productivity, reliability, sheer enjoyment, and absence of peripheral distractions due to vigilant virus protection/scanning, UAC, Registry cleaning, defragging, etc.

We're talking about an integrated solution here, one which is apparently valued highly, for many, and backed by a single and responsive company.
 
I've said that I normally have Flash disabled, and only enable it when I want/need the Flash content.

Then you're "talking silly", since IE8 is not unstable. You must be thinking of Safari. ;)

Never used Safari 4. Only Chrome/Firefox (Home) and IE at work. Also by your logic, at least 39 other people must be talking silly. :rolleyes:
 
Never used Safari 4. Only Chrome/Firefox (Home) and IE at work. Also by your logic, at least 39 other people must be talking silly. :rolleyes:

Those 'other' people obviously don't know how to run IE8, or 7, or 6, for that matter. :rolleyes:

Conversely, I seem to be fortunate, as Safari 4 runs circles around IE8 in terms of speed and UI.
 
Those 'other' people obviously don't know how to run IE8, or 7, or 6, for that matter. :rolleyes:

Conversely, I seem to be fortunate, as Safari 4 runs circles around IE8 in terms of speed and UI.

IE 8, no plugins, hardware firewall. I put Firefox on the computers but some of them seriously complained that the icon looked different!
 
Not if one considers that the 'designer jeans' in question remain invulnerable to moths eating holes in them, permanent stains, and erosion due to the elements.

If there's an LD50 for Kool-Aid, you've passed it here - get yourself to a poison control center before it's too late.... Also, check the calibration on your tin foil hat if you think that moths are eating your denim jeans.

But yes, buy $790 jeans if the "perceived value" works for you. Even better for you if the $395/pair sale price is still in effect.


Conversely, I seem to be fortunate, as Safari 4 runs circles around IE8 in terms of speed and UI.

And once again, you butt into a conversation with a completely orthogonal argument, attempting to derail and intercept the discussion.

I doubt that anyone will say that Safari 4 is more stable than IE8, which in fact was the topic - not "speed" or "UI" (whatever that means).

Sheese....
 
Sounds like a superficial woman if the label on my jeans is more important than what's in them.




And the Apple fans always boost the price of the PC by adding a bunch of features that may not be needed by the user.

That way they can claim that a $2500 quad core Mac Pro is a "better value" than a $1000 Core i7 system that's just as fast, has more memory, bigger disks, Blu-ray and a better graphics card.

I can't count on my salary arriving on time, can't count on my tax refund getting here early - but I can sure count on this guy whining away since the beginning of macrumors. Seriously man, don't you feel weird with so much pent up inside you?

On a side note - who cares if the woman at a trendy bar is superficial?! Unless you go to trendy bars to look for a life partner.
 
If there's an LD50 for Kool-Aid, you've passed it here - get yourself to a poison control center before it's too late.... Also, check the calibration on your tin foil hat if you think that moths are eating your denim jeans.

But yes, buy $790 jeans if the "perceived value" works for you.

You utter fool, moths eat anything.
 
You utter fool, moths eat anything.

But according to DMann ("the 'designer jeans' in question remain invulnerable to moths eating holes in them"), not $790 designer jeans.

Perhaps they are worth the delta over the $33 Levi's jeans. Even though you could buy more than 20 pairs of Levi's for the price of one pair of designer jeans.
 
But according to DMann ("the 'designer jeans' in question remain invulnerable to moths eating holes in them"), not $790 designer jeans.

Perhaps they are worth the delta over the $33 Levi's jeans. Even though you could buy more than 20 pairs of Levi's for the price of one pair of designer jeans.

The fact that you present these jeans as worthless only shows your own closed-mindeness.

It's fine that you don't see the value in the designer jeans. But some people do and are willing to pay the extra money asked for a pair. It is well worth it to them.

The fact that you ridicule these people shows how much you are closed minded and that in the end, only your own opinion counts, not that of others. This goes a long way in explaining your many anti-Apple posts on here.

And before you ask, I wear Levi's.
 
If there's an LD50 for Kool-Aid, you've passed it here - get yourself to a poison control center before it's too late.... Also, check the calibration on your tin foil hat if you think that moths are eating your denim jeans.

Moths = viruses - an analogy, to spell it out for you. If you believe that moths are incapable of eating jeans, then we'll just leave it at that. :rolleyes:

"UI" (whatever that means).

Yes, the UI of IE8, the one laden with visual noise, an incoherent mashup of buttons, and convoluted with glitter and fluff.

And once again, you butt into a conversation with a completely orthogonal argument, attempting to derail and intercept the discussion.

Speak of the devil.

Besides, we were all unaware that public forums were comprised of private dialogue.

I can't count on my salary arriving on time, can't count on my tax refund getting here early - but I can sure count on this guy whining away since the beginning of macrumors. Seriously man, don't you feel weird with so much pent up inside you?

On a side note - who cares if the woman at a trendy bar is superficial?! Unless you go to trendy bars to look for a life partner.

Old Faithful, in this regard, and many others. :)

On a side note - who cares if the woman at a trendy bar is superficial?! Unless you go to trendy bars to look for a life partner.

Apparently, he feels that the validity of his own set of values pertains to all.
 
The fact that you present these jeans as worthless only shows your own closed-mindeness.

Please post a link to where I said or implied "worthless". Those are your words, not mine. Did I say that $395 for Diesel jeans was "worthless" compared to $33 for Levi's? No.

I talked about "value". Diesel jeans may be worth $79 compared to Levi's at $50 - but $790 ?????????????????

I think that y'all are really twitched that comparing $800 blue jeans to Levi's is uncomfortably close to comparing Apples to PC features and prices. Uncomfortably close. Probably doubly amplified by the common belief that Levi's makes good jeans.
 
Please post a link to where I said or implied "worthless". Those are your words, not mine. Did I say that $395 for Diesel jeans was "worthless" compared to $33 for Levi's? No.

I talked about "value". Diesel jeans may be worth $79 compared to Levi's at $50 - but $790 ?????????????????

I think that y'all are really twitched that comparing $800 blue jeans to Levi's is uncomfortably close to comparing Apples to PC features and prices. Uncomfortably close.

Your endeavor here is moot, however, since Macs running OS X happen to be impervious to PC viruses. (denim eating moths)

For me, and many users, this happens to be one of several distinguishing features which yield a greater value for Apple's solution.
 
* Install software that allows OS X to be installed

Not ok.

* Install an unaltered copy of OS X at the request of the customer

Not ok.

* Ship the product

Not ok.

The infringement starts around "Install software that allows OS X to be installed" and just snowballs from there.

The company I work for routinely buys computers and has the vendor install the software we buy before the box is shipped. Are you saying that's illegal?
 
The company I work for routinely buys computers and has the vendor install the software we buy before the box is shipped. Are you saying that's illegal?

If the software you are referring to contains license restrictions preventing it from being installed on the boxes to which you refer, then he is saying it is illegal.
 
Now they want us to spend $15 on a tshirt (see website) to support their legal battle... Can we say 'how low will they go'...

Here's where they are in contempt of court:

"We have chosen to temporarily halt sales of Rebel EFI. Due to our ongoing litigation with Apple, Inc., we are seeking legal sanctions to continue selling our software products. We will continue to work with the Mac OS and bringing it to generic PC hardware. We will continue to support of all our products, both hardware and software. There are also plans to distribute Rebel EFI versions specific to computer configurations, such as Rebel EFI: HP mini and Rebel EFI: Dell 9 mini. Our hope is that in the weeks to come, an expedited judgment will validate the legality of Rebel EFI and all future Psystar software products. When we do start selling Rebel EFI again, users who purchase a shirt will be able to get an authentication key for their Rebel EFI software of choice."

The t-shirt is nothing but a sneaky way to sell pre-orders to Rebel EFI variations, all of which violate the judge's order.
 
Now they want us to spend $15 on a tshirt (see website) to support their legal battle... Can we say 'how low will they go'...

Do they mention that they'll throw in a DVD of 10.6 with the order?

As stated so well, in another thread:

persistence.jpg


The t-shirt is nothing but a sneaky way to sell pre-orders to Rebel EFI variations, all of which violate the judge's order.

Another chapter of the 'Good Humor Man,' delivering the goods.
 
thank you!

Good Grief!

It was bad enough with Bush TARP 1, Stimulus 1 ... wasteful spending. I'm surprised you're not dead from a busted "ticked off" blood vessel with what the nitwit trio of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and the Trillions of dollars wasted by the Democrats in the name of... "stimulus package", "the uninsured", "the children", "the environment", "the American people", "the taxpayer", "the jobs bill" (didn't stimulus cover that?)...

I'd much rather pay the pocket change court cost of Psystar over what those clowns in Washington are doing! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

Come, leave the TEA Party in power, that's Tax Everyone Again and join the OFFICIAL TEA Party, Taxed Enough Already and have your voice heard! Well heard on Fox News and mocked on MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, NewYork Times, LA Times, Washington Post... but come and make your forefathers proud and protest! ;)

Haha! well said! a little political for MR - but I like it
 
Apple is using the law to protect their profits. Psystar is a threat to Apple's profits, therefore they are breaking the law.

I could be wring, but wasn't Apples marketshare somewhere in the 30s back in th 80s during the clone years.

Personally what differs today is that unlike before where mac had the PPC ONLY they know if they did license the software people would build faster machines at a lower cost. I think it's a ride thing now that they both use the same OS.

Peace.
 
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