Reports Suggest Ring Allowed Employees Unfettered Access to Customer Camera Feeds

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  1. Morgenland, Jan 11, 2019
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    Morgenland macrumors 6502

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    What is your definition of 'enterprise grade equipment'? It can hardly be the cloud stuff you're talking about anymore, what do you think?
     
  2. merik macrumors newbie

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    I mean the advertising is a bit of a stretch. The main goal of Ring’s AI is to detect what is actually happening e.g. the UPS man delivered a package, a known crime suspect was at your door, someone stole your package, etc.
     

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  3. Morgenland, Jan 11, 2019
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    a known crime suspect was at your door
    You assume they want to link the camera data with police data?

    someone stole your package
    take this:
     
  4. Doomtomb macrumors regular

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    #129
    Assume the worst.
     
  5. merik macrumors newbie

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    To an extent it’s already possible and available to police.


    But yes, I would say there is huge goals with the AI.
     
  6. iapplelove macrumors 601

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    This is pretty much my approach to the internet
     
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    You, friend, have captured the essence of my breasts perfectly!

    Just needs more chest hair.
     
  8. marco114 macrumors 6502

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    I use a PC with Blue Iris, then I sync the video encrypted to my own servers I control. Use you own solution. You'll be much happier.
     
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    That's good homie. assuming you mean the arlos. they got them arlo ultra and i trust it way more than amazon. sneaky guys always know what i wanna buy before i even buy it smh smh
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    u rlly dont recognize me from my profile pic and username? u dont know who kim k is? what rock u living under lmao. i aint want to use amazon products specifically because of the privacy concerns. this report just proves it.
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    amazon allowed it to continue happening. thats not ok.
     
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  11. Morgenland, Jan 11, 2019
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    Sorry to say: with these scenarios you get applause in China, not in Europe.
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    Love It
     
  12. w5jck macrumors member

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    "Terms of Agreements" are rarely read in full by customers, and most of us would not know how to properly interpret everything that is within them if we did read them.

    I understand the need by companies like Ring to get "real world" and very realistic testing data to use, but Ring could do better testing by setting up test houses and being totally up front with any customers who are asked to submit their Ring data. I believe they could actually set up Ring owned houses for this purpose and not need to use customer data, but they are too cheap and lazy to do the right thing.

    Any security camera that stores its data via cloud only is a no go for me and should be a no go for anyone else. I only use security cameras that save to MY personal memory storage devices and cards and operate behind my personal firewall. Even this could be hacked into, but someone would have to specifically target me, and that is not likely to happen since I'm not a person who would be of interest to hackers. Cloud storage on the other hand is ideal for hackers and corporate abusers because they can get a huge number of customers's data with one swoop.

    I like my Amazon toys for the most part, but I definitely stay clear of anything they peddle that has a camera and cloud storage. Ring is not the only toy they own and sell that matches this criteria as they also have Alexa Show devices and some other devices that match the criteria.
     
  13. itguy06 macrumors 6502a

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    Doesn't mean anything. Amazon is quite creepy with the data it collects. They were one of the first to e-mail you after you browsed something on their website asking you to buy it again.
     
  14. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

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    Getting details right still matters even if there are biases in play.
     
  15. ateslik macrumors regular

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    This times a billion.
     
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    Most won't care though. Siri still has a crappy reputation compared to others and Apple has slipped in other areas so people really don't care about privacy.
     
  18. Mac 128 macrumors 603

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    Yeah, but then they can see when your escorts arrive and leave. Just make sure you leave the money on the nightstand, and don’t pay them in the driveway.
     
  19. Mark Booth macrumors 68000

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    Cancelled my Ring cloud account. I'm removing the Ring doorbell today and, instead of the hassle of fighting Ring for a refund, I'm going to return the Ring to Costco for a refund. I'll cite my privacy concerns per the Intercept article.

    That's is actually a BETTER plan than fighting Ring in small claims court. If Costco gets enough returns and enough unhappy customers than they'll probably stop carrying Ring's products.

    Mark
     
  20. BGPL macrumors member

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    The ring employees see the same thing my UPS guy sees when he drops off a package. I'm more concerned with how my echo dots are keeping my secrets.
     
  21. HQuest macrumors member

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    I do not see many Cisco ASA-5545-X, Cisco 9400 series switches, Cisco Stealthwatch or Cisco AMP for Networks deployments in homes, and yet that is just the tip of my personal iceberg.

    Besides, cloud is just someone’s else computers ;)
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    And how many Amazon Echo, Google’s Alexa based devices and the other Google products (Chrome, GMail, YouTube) did you turned off and stopped using today? Those harvest way more data than the Ring does, and yet, people are proud using them.
     
  22. Macintoshrumors macrumors 6502

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    I remember being on 4chan and someone’s would post a pastenbin of hundreds of links that connected to security cameras around the world in real time. It was a a easy as copying and pasting the links to a browser and BOOOM, you can watch people watching TV, hanging out outside or sleeping. Links are still being posted today.
     
  23. hagjohn macrumors 6502

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    Is there any expectation of privacy if you have internet connected cameras hooked up in your house?
     
  24. Mark Booth macrumors 68000

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    I don't own a single Amazon Echo or Google Home device (Alexa is Echo, not Google). I don't use Gmail, don't use Chrome, and only watch YouTube without being logged into any sort of account.

    I do use Google search, however. But when I use it I *know* I'm using it and it's not recording a conversation at my front door.

    Mark
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    Thanks for the heads up on Netatmo. I reached out to the company via Facebook. Here's their response:

    “Hi Mark,
    Thank you for your message. For all Netatmo Cameras, Smart Indoor Camera, Smart Outdoor Camera and Smart Video Doorbell all videos are stored locally only on your SD card. Only one photo of each event is kept on our servers as long as the associated video is on the micro-SD card. This makes it possible to always have information available in your application when your camera is disconnected and Netatmo employees cannot watch the video of the camera.
    Have a nice day”

    It looks like a Netatmo video doorbell will be my next home surveillance purchase. I particularly like the HomeKit compatibility. I can have it switch on the porch light when it detects motion. Cool.

    Mark
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    Over the years, I've had hundreds of conversations at my front door including: friends, spouse, neighbors, solicitors, police officers, etc. Usually those conversations are very brief. But sometimes it's my neighbor asking me to watch their house while they are away for a few days. Sometimes it's been a conversation with a police officer over unruly neighbors. Etc, etc.

    The length of those conversations isn't the point. The point is that those conversations are NONE of Ring's business. Period.

    Mark
     
  25. Marekul macrumors regular

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    But apple already made that mistake when they totally sold out to Chinese government...
     

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