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Research in Motion Launches 'Torch' Smartphone and BlackBerry 6 OS
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Wow alot of haters here. I understand that this is site devoted to Apple products, but you have to understand that the site provides news to individuals who care not to traffic other flash intensive sites, there I said it.
People also have to to understand that it comes down to choice, in some matters you don't have a choice at all when your IT dept hands you a BB and gives the finger when you have a shiny iphone 4 in your pocket. Me personally I gave up my Iphone ( 3G), mainly due to dropped calls, for a BB and don't regret it one bit. Sure the Iphone has all the bells and whistles but thank god that other companies are trying to trump apple.
For me on this whole BB OS6 is a start. But since I mainly use my BB for business, I don't like this whole integration of Social Media on my mobile.
I hope that:
a- you can disable those features
b- allow the user to delete them.
If you value your job you don't mix business with pleasure.
I for one was hoping that BB would acquire a license for the WebOS, it grows on when you try it. Also I have to agree with all the other lads in regards to the hardware, they could do a lot better.
Cheers,
Wow alot of haters here. I understand that this is site devoted to Apple products, but you have to understand that the site provides news to individuals who care not to traffic other flash intensive sites, there I said it.
People also have to to understand that it comes down to choice, in some matters you don't have a choice at all when your IT dept hands you a BB and gives the finger when you have a shiny iphone 4 in your pocket. Me personally I gave up my Iphone ( 3G), mainly due to dropped calls, for a BB and don't regret it one bit. Sure the Iphone has all the bells and whistles but thank god that other companies are trying to trump apple.
For me on this whole BB OS6 is a start. But since I mainly use my BB for business, I don't like this whole integration of Social Media on my mobile.
I hope that:
a- you can disable those features
b- allow the user to delete them.
If you value your job you don't mix business with pleasure.
I for one was hoping that BB would acquire a license for the WebOS, it grows on when you try it. Also I have to agree with all the other lads in regards to the hardware, they could do a lot better.
Cheers,
50% of blackberry owners plan on switching to an iPhone or an android device. Not very encouraging for RIM.
RIMs new OS
Wow, this is exciting for RIM, although they are still 2 years behind Android and iPhone......in other equally exciting news, The Pope has decided to remain Catholic!
Wow, this is exciting for RIM, although they are still 2 years behind Android and iPhone......in other equally exciting news, The Pope has decided to remain Catholic!
i wonder too. why? i guess Apple isn't threatened by RIM. I have yet to see a post about an ANDROID release on the front page... something is going on here...
I'm a current BB user (company sponsered) of Bold for AT&T. Though when I first got it, the iphone 3G was out. At that time when comparing the 2, I saw strengths and weaknesses in both. BB was much better for composing longer email responses. iphone was pretty much better at everything else.
Few years pass and it feels RIM has just stayed same, and Apple just keeps improving the iphone and iOS4. BB phones in terms of hardware never really made much advancements yet they are still similarly priced.
Andriod start coming into the market. And MS is giving their mobile OS a complete overhaul.
The company I am working for, just finally certified Apple's iphone as an Enterprise phone (it used to be just BB), and we're going to roll out this fall. Sadly me and all of my colleges are looking for to abandon BB and go for the iphone. -- the thing keeping us is, iphone has not yet been fully certified and approved for roll out.
What the heck is RIM doing all this time?? Seem they spend more time sitting on their past successes everyone starts to eat away at their share. The reason why BB is floating is because large corporation still uses it... and thats because of the 'hostage' situation. They use it because they have no choice and is much more expensive to replace them.
Apple has been trying to get these corporation to switch their enterprise mobile solution to its. AS soon as there is a second viable solution out there, BB is going to be in trouble in the enterprise world.
BB OS by itself just does not seem to compete well. And the latest 6.0 thought a major improvement feels like its too little too late. Heck it doesn't even improve upon ios4 or android 2.2.
If that is the best they can do, I think RIM is endangered to lose even more customers and market share.
Few years pass and it feels RIM has just stayed same, and Apple just keeps improving the iphone and iOS4. BB phones in terms of hardware never really made much advancements yet they are still similarly priced.
Andriod start coming into the market. And MS is giving their mobile OS a complete overhaul.
The company I am working for, just finally certified Apple's iphone as an Enterprise phone (it used to be just BB), and we're going to roll out this fall. Sadly me and all of my colleges are looking for to abandon BB and go for the iphone. -- the thing keeping us is, iphone has not yet been fully certified and approved for roll out.
What the heck is RIM doing all this time?? Seem they spend more time sitting on their past successes everyone starts to eat away at their share. The reason why BB is floating is because large corporation still uses it... and thats because of the 'hostage' situation. They use it because they have no choice and is much more expensive to replace them.
Apple has been trying to get these corporation to switch their enterprise mobile solution to its. AS soon as there is a second viable solution out there, BB is going to be in trouble in the enterprise world.
BB OS by itself just does not seem to compete well. And the latest 6.0 thought a major improvement feels like its too little too late. Heck it doesn't even improve upon ios4 or android 2.2.
If that is the best they can do, I think RIM is endangered to lose even more customers and market share.
Still haven't read any comments, but in to read the surely negative comments for this news simply because it's not an Apple product.
I dont think this is all true. It depends on a lot of things including if you have a defective phone.
I own a personal iphone on AT&T and have an assigned corporate BB Bold also on AT&T. Most of the time during a work day I carry both phones. I tell you, when I get drop signal bars and calls on my iphone, I can't make a call on my BB either. My signal bars on my iphone and my BB bold are nearly identical.
In contrary to believe, the BB Bold doesnt hold signal any better than the iphone. (BB feels better at writing longer emails tho!).
Now I got an iphone4, and its pretty much the same thing. BB loses signal, iphone 4 loses signal. Its not the phone. its my coverage.
I remember AT&T used to have great 2G coverage, 4 bars or more always. So I think it's 3G signals are the problem, but I also know I can forced either BB or iphone to work of 2G and i would probably have a better voice coverage-- until 2G tech is end-of-life.
I have to use a Bold for work and it does emails and texts fine, as you would expect. Good battery life and works fine with the companies laughable IT structure (why does it seem that the bigger the company, the worse the IT Departments are?) of IE6 and exchange.
Girls like them because the tactile keys are easier to use if you have long nails. The iPhone, not so much.
RIM have had their head and arse in the sand for years now, trying not to rock the boat while milking the BES licence fees.
This strategy has a very real and rapidly approaching expiry date and sadly once the boat has left, it is not coming back to pick up RIM.
I hope they can pull something revolutionary like Palm did, but actually follow through with it successfully (unlike Palm). Canada needs RIM to succeed and they have a lot of really good people working there, in addition to a lot of good will in the marketplace. I hope they make the most of it.
Girls like them because the tactile keys are easier to use if you have long nails. The iPhone, not so much.
RIM have had their head and arse in the sand for years now, trying not to rock the boat while milking the BES licence fees.
This strategy has a very real and rapidly approaching expiry date and sadly once the boat has left, it is not coming back to pick up RIM.
I hope they can pull something revolutionary like Palm did, but actually follow through with it successfully (unlike Palm). Canada needs RIM to succeed and they have a lot of really good people working there, in addition to a lot of good will in the marketplace. I hope they make the most of it.
Everyone should go check out those Vertu phones online. They are piece of crap low-end nokia phones covered with diamonds and the like.
Hilarious post. A Ferrari vehicle is quality throughout. These phones are more like outdated Porsche bodies with 4 cylinder 1992 Ford Escort engines in them.
RIM Is Facing Reality
Funny how the media are trying to hype the Torch as major new competition for the iPhone (and Android phones), while people here are trashing it as junk.
Both wrong.
Clearly RIM has realized it needs a reasonably capable touchscreen smartphone that still really works and feels like a standard BlackBerry. not to market to new consumers in competition with the iPhone, but simply to hang on to the current BB owners it has.
That's all the Torch tries to do. that's why its specs and features are modest by 2010 smartphone standards, but the BB elements are well done (compared to the ill-conceived Storm).
and that will work. there are a lot of BB fans out there, and corporate clients, and for them the Torch will be good enough not to switch to other brands.
RIM has probably figured out it is never going to compete in the race to be the 'latest and greatest' smartphone, or to capture top market share. instead it wants to strategically nail down and hold a solid market segment of about 20% based on its well established enterprise stronghold and 'crackberry' addicts everywhere. that's a good and profitable business strategy, and the Torch fits it very well.
Betcha the upcoming Black Pad has a slideout keyboard too. that would be a smart play as part of this overall strategy. of course the media will hype it as trying to be an 'iPad killer' anyway, but that is just typical blogbull.
Funny how the media are trying to hype the Torch as major new competition for the iPhone (and Android phones), while people here are trashing it as junk.
Both wrong.
Clearly RIM has realized it needs a reasonably capable touchscreen smartphone that still really works and feels like a standard BlackBerry. not to market to new consumers in competition with the iPhone, but simply to hang on to the current BB owners it has.
That's all the Torch tries to do. that's why its specs and features are modest by 2010 smartphone standards, but the BB elements are well done (compared to the ill-conceived Storm).
and that will work. there are a lot of BB fans out there, and corporate clients, and for them the Torch will be good enough not to switch to other brands.
RIM has probably figured out it is never going to compete in the race to be the 'latest and greatest' smartphone, or to capture top market share. instead it wants to strategically nail down and hold a solid market segment of about 20% based on its well established enterprise stronghold and 'crackberry' addicts everywhere. that's a good and profitable business strategy, and the Torch fits it very well.
Betcha the upcoming Black Pad has a slideout keyboard too. that would be a smart play as part of this overall strategy. of course the media will hype it as trying to be an 'iPad killer' anyway, but that is just typical blogbull.
Too bad nobody's running it yet.
My wife bought a Droid Eris a few months ago and it's a nice phone--just barely outpaces my considerably older iPhone 3G which is surprising--but I was really annoyed to learn that the Eris, which is barely 10 months out since its release, is not going to be eligible for the upgrade to 2.2. Less than a year old and it's not going to be supported for further updates. Unbelievable! The more I looked into this, the more I discovered a great many Android phones less than a year old not suited for 2.2.
Froyo, in other words, is a distant mirage. Just keep walking, folks. We'll get there someday.
So when I hear people talk about all the wonders that 2.2 will bring, I just shake my head. Before that matters, a majority of Android users must be on that version and I don't see how that happens for at least a year.
I think you got it backwards. Android phones are like high performance sports cars. In terms of raw performance, they are on top, but like high performance sports cars, they have some rough edges. But they sure are fun to play with.
iphones on the other hand are like the camrys of the smartphone world. Everyone's got one, they all look the same. They're reliable, but kinda boring and they just happen to be the smartphone of choice for soccer moms and grandmas
Stop hatin on BB. They serve their purpose. You people are forgetting something that certain people (consumers and enterprise customers alike) generally have that nobody takes into equation...
...preference...
It's all "specs, specs, specs" with you people...
If someone likes something because they are more comfortable with it then let them enjoy it. Who cares if this BB has a slower processor. My MacBook has a substantially slower processor than my PC downstairs and my brother's HP laptop and which one do you think I prefer?
Also, stop trying to find an "iPhone killer" as if there is an end-all be-all. If there was, nobody would buy an iPhone because there wouldn't be a point. Why "settle" for the iPhone if there were an iPhone killer? There isn't and there never will be. Why? Because people want different things from a phone.
I have certain preferences that I want mirrored in my phone's OS. For me, android was the best fit. In my opinion, my droid x is an iPhone killer. Now is it the end-all be-all of smartphones for the world simply because I like it compared to the competition? No way... but for me it is and that is all that matters. For someone else, this BB may be better than the iPhone for their needs and, though it certainly isn't for me, who am I to tell them otherwise? I do not like the hardware keyboards on BBs but who am I to say that the multitouch keyboard on my Droid X is better for them simply because I like it more? I'm not in that position to criticize something so open to personal preference and nobody here should be either. So stop thinking that a phone, just because of its specs being less powerful or whatnot, makes it less of capable tool for someone who prefers it. All phones are different and so are people so why try to make the iPhone, Android, or a BlackBerry the phone for all. Choice is good.
Just my opinions haha
...preference...
It's all "specs, specs, specs" with you people...
If someone likes something because they are more comfortable with it then let them enjoy it. Who cares if this BB has a slower processor. My MacBook has a substantially slower processor than my PC downstairs and my brother's HP laptop and which one do you think I prefer?
Also, stop trying to find an "iPhone killer" as if there is an end-all be-all. If there was, nobody would buy an iPhone because there wouldn't be a point. Why "settle" for the iPhone if there were an iPhone killer? There isn't and there never will be. Why? Because people want different things from a phone.
I have certain preferences that I want mirrored in my phone's OS. For me, android was the best fit. In my opinion, my droid x is an iPhone killer. Now is it the end-all be-all of smartphones for the world simply because I like it compared to the competition? No way... but for me it is and that is all that matters. For someone else, this BB may be better than the iPhone for their needs and, though it certainly isn't for me, who am I to tell them otherwise? I do not like the hardware keyboards on BBs but who am I to say that the multitouch keyboard on my Droid X is better for them simply because I like it more? I'm not in that position to criticize something so open to personal preference and nobody here should be either. So stop thinking that a phone, just because of its specs being less powerful or whatnot, makes it less of capable tool for someone who prefers it. All phones are different and so are people so why try to make the iPhone, Android, or a BlackBerry the phone for all. Choice is good.
Just my opinions haha
Now that simply isn't true.
I use invoice2go on my iPhone which is superb.
I also love BBC new, sky news, CNN , as well as angry birds! All great apps that really have no competition on the blackberry. Maybe now with the added touch screen it will be better, but it also depends how much of an improvement the web browser on it is.
From a hardware standpoint, I'm not terribly impressed. Any glamor the new BB OS brings is dulled by a device that seems to add nothing new or innovative to the BB product line.
That said, I think most of BB's devoted followers will be pleased as it seems to be consistent with what they're accustomed to with a fresh face. Not everyone needs/wants the media functionality provided by iPhone/iOS. If communication is key, BB is still a perfectly viable option.
That said, I think most of BB's devoted followers will be pleased as it seems to be consistent with what they're accustomed to with a fresh face. Not everyone needs/wants the media functionality provided by iPhone/iOS. If communication is key, BB is still a perfectly viable option.