Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Reporting on this "research" is just giving these people the attention they want.

How many people in real life would go into that much trouble to unlock someone else's phone? If I'm a victim and held in captivity, I'd willingly unlock my phone for you so you can drain the $500 I have in my bank account.

Geez, that's all you have? All those Apple devices must have drained your funds. :)
 
I think you're all looking at this the wrong way. I really don't think this application will be used by criminals for access but for people in custody, handcuffed, and pinned to a wall or some other tactic. Police are already trained not to look at the phone so their face won't inadvertently disable Face ID. So even criminals closing their eyes can then provide access. I believe it's fast enough to work no matter how much they fidget.
 
To crack it using brute force @ 100,000,000,000 attempts per second, it would take 23 years to crack. On an iPhone where even people like Cellebrite will be looking at the very most, a few thousand attempts a second, it would take literally MILLIONS OF YEARS to crack.
On any iPhone, checking a possible passcode takes 80 milliseconds. With no way getting around that unless you want to beat 256 bit encryption, with a different key for every single file on the device, because the processor in your iPhone is needed for decryption. So checking more than about a million passcodes per day is impossible.
 
Pressing on the sleep/wake button of a Face ID-enabled iPhone five times in rapid succession brings up an emergency SOS screen that automatically disables Face ID and requires a passcode to be entered before Face ID works again

You may also want to mention that pressing the sleep/wake button five times in rapid succession also sounds an alarm and automatically dials 911, just in case you want to try it out at home...
 
Biometrics was a way to collect fingerprint and faces of the population. You already gave them your DNA and the data on your hard drives (cloud backup). And they have your innermost thoughts on social media and in the "comments" section. Now the government literally has EVERYTHING on you. Next...a "cattle" chip installed under the skin. And yet the mouse pushers here just say "sir may I have another".
 
It does not work with the dead or severed.

Ya stupid me only created in Touch ID fingerprint using my right index finger and sure enough I severed it using the chop saw building my deck. I tried in vain, grabbing my severed finger and slapping its bloodiness on the damn phone to no avail. All while my stump spurred blood.

People, be sure to create two Touch ID prints on separate hands. Ya just never know
 
Dollar store reading glasses and two squares of construction paper vs high tech security. And the winner is...

sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution. This solution is damn simple.

You forgot the part about the unconscious human. Not so simple.
 
You visit a foreign country. They want to perform industrial espionage by unlocking your phone and copying all your work e-mails.

And that's because you don't have a credit card either. The combined credit limits of a business traveler is easily $100,000.

Still highly unlikely. Even so just password protect any app that’s a security risk
 
FaceID and TouchID are conveniences. If someone is concerned about every possible scenario that might beat it, use a long password instead. Yeah its slower but nobody will crack that (except Cellebrite)

Good luck to celbrite cracking my password.
 
I just gouged my eyes out!! Good luck now hackers, jokes on you dummies haha!!
 
Means even if a user has activated attention aware for FaceID, another individual can simply knock you out, put on a simple non-prescription set of glasses with black and white tape to resemble vague eyes being open and can simply get into an iPhone. Notice that the strips of black tape is not circular and neither is the white squares. Which leads me to believe that attention aware feature functions on contrast of light absorption and light reflection. This additional step of security can be by-passed by a simple hack, quite interesting and funny. :p

The moral of the story is any man-made security can be hacked. Yet people here are still trying to justify if TouchID is more secure compared to FaceID, I wonder why that is because the price of iPhone X onward increased on a perceived more secure technology inclusion compared to the previous option.

FYI, I have an iPhone XS and have no reason to support or neglect the findings of this report. May it be TouchID or FaceID we all just want a cheaper and secure device. ;)
[doublepost=1565318611][/doublepost]

No requirement, I wonder if paper cutout of open eyes may work sans glasses. Defeated by a paper hack. :p
[doublepost=1565318729][/doublepost]

I believe the hack may work just as well with just open eye paper cutouts placed over a sleeping persons closed eyes. No glasses required. :p

But Face ID is more secure than touch. Firstly touch doesn’t require a sleeping human for starters
 
Article quote:

An attacker attempting to use this method in the real world would need a victim that's sleeping or unconscious, access to that victim's iPhone, and then glasses would need to be placed over the eyes without waking the person up.”

Yeah, because this is a real easy to bypass the users Face using this method. :rolleyes:

To be fair, you don’t even need to touch the victim. You can take the sides off the glasses and just hold the lens portion over their face. That is, assuming they sleep on their back.
 
Why not just make a plaster cast of their head whilst they're sleeping and put the glasses on that?

Like the above scenario, it's interesting FaceID can be fooled in this way but it's a long way from practical.
 
Still more secure than using a photograph to fool certain “other” phones.

So you're planning for the scenario that someone intends to steal your information but they're also only prepared to go as far as printing off a photo to do so?

Very niche market.
 
I can't wait to see the articles like this if they bring Touch ID back like some people are hoping for. 'Unconscious victim has finger placed on phone and phone unlocks' Then, people will be saying they want Face ID back.
 
Yet people here are still trying to justify if TouchID is more secure compared to FaceID

Never seen anyone claiming that. Plenty of people are desperately trying to claim that FaceID's marginally increased security (and massively increased cost) has some practical benefit though.
 
This method worked because the researchers found that liveness detection works differently with glasses and essentially doesn't extract 3D information from the eye area when glasses are worn.

This is interesting. They have legitimately exploited a weakness in Apple's implementation of FaceID and demonstrated that it works. As others have mentioned, it is not easy to deploy exactly as presented, although it does prove the concept of using glasses as an avenue of attack, so this is a useful academic exercise. Others may think of more practical deployment solutions.

There are potentially ways Apple could improve their hardware/software to mitigate this. Ultimately, the point of presenting this at a black-hat conference is to inform everybody (end users, other researchers, Apple, and other manufacturers exploring similar technologies) about the weakness.
 
Never seen anyone claiming that. Plenty of people are desperately trying to claim that FaceID's marginally increased security (and massively increased cost) has some practical benefit though.
The increased security of Face ID over Touch ID is only marginal if one considers 4x marginal. And then there’s the convenience factor of not touching the screen...
 
  • Like
Reactions: MisterSavage
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.