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Resolutions and Features of All-OLED iPhone 12 Lineup Detailed in New Report

I have an iPhone XS Max. I have Jump! with T-Mobile, but decided to skip the upgrade last year.

In order to upgrade, I want 120hz and a significant (15%+) increase in battery life along with a smaller notch.

I care more about mini-led than 5G. Happy to stay on LTE for another year.
 
Anyone ever thought of the idea that the notch might be a marketing choice?
To be able to distinguish the silhouette. Anywhere in the Os where there’s a graphic icon version of the iPhone, it’s instantly recognisable as an iPhone. A completely notchless design would just look like a rectangle...
But maybe now with other brands also doing notches, it might become time to just get rid of it. (And you can of course draw app icons in the icon / rectangle.) Okay I’ve answered my own question. Thanks everyone. Have a good day.
 
ksec said:
I am pretty sure the PPI for the other three are mostly correct . i.e We are going to see roughly ˜460 PPI even on the non Pro iPhone. And I did some number meshing, assuming Apple keep its current point system in place for iOS 14, those are the closest number you get for a ˜460PPI, any larger or smaller dont fit the point system scaling and 19.5:9 ratio.

It is the number on 5.4" is what dont make sense because 15 PPI is quite a bit different. 2262 x 1044 seems to fit the point system as well as 460 PPI better.
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Nice number crunching, Apple does seem to be moving towards the standardization (of sorts) like the pointed out later in your post - which was what a previous most of mine was meant to reflect, I should've said "normalizing" display specs (obv. higher end models aren't effectively changing), especially in regard to development concerns (and getting away from those years, even with LCD tech, where there was a disparity in the "regular" vs. Plus ... the latter being a real oddball with the pre-display resampling).

I'm __supposed__ to be starting a neat piece of work, that includes an iPhone app, slightly delayed due to you-know-what, so it's looking like it will take place in a post-iPhone 12 world.
 
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I'm not sure how people can "disagree" with what everyone else is saying about PWM. It is an issue that affects many people. End of story. Disagreeing shows ignorance.

You should be grateful that there are people who are watching out for things like this because, believe it or not, it does affect everyone, but at a minimum, it improves the quality of products you are spending $1,000 on.

Not sure what I'm talking about? Read this post.
 
Re: 120Hz

For fellow posters in here looking for a higher refresh rate in the new handset, what is the desire behind it? Serious question. I see advantages in motion blur mitigation, sure, but how much does it improve the UX? Is 120Hz specifically the requirement people are looking for, or would 75Hz/90Hz suffice?
 
Zdigital2015 said:
And I’d like a jetpack that lasts all day, but we have to temper our expectations.
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This is not about jetpacks lasting all day. As shown with the iPhone XR and iPhone 11, Apple can build phones with an (at least) 1-day battery, if they want to. So I hope they will want that for the iPhone 12 too, it's as simple as that.
 
Squire News said:
I will never buy a notched iPhone. I will never use one, even if it's free to me.

The notch is NOT like the camera bump at all. This is a different beast, a failure. You see the camera bump had a reason to exist: To allow the iPhone to be able to take wider photographs, not being screwed by iPhone protective cases blocking the view. Everyone wears a case, so the camera bump doesn't matter at all.

The notch, is not something you can forget. I am able to have a larger screen but can't due to there being this hideous notch created by the front facing camera and microphone. There could be so much more information in that top area.

It comes down to this: Apple couldn't figure out how to place the selfie camera, microphone/speaker and sensors up high enough. They didn't want to wait with the 10th anniversary coming up for a better option, just like all the other idiotic phones out there with cameras sticking out of the screen.

Man if anything, the screen needs to have a curve outward, bottom as well. More is more. Can't do that because video is made with sharp edges. You would cut off video. Screw the edgeless screen dream it doesn't matter anymore because there is a case, unless they make the sides incredibly strong on the phone its self with the rest of the phone protected.

Can you imaging how many people would be pissed off if they couldn't use the entire screen because it's obscured by a case, which they will only want to have a case to protect their product?

I think the notch was the biggest mistake Apple ever made. It's a complete eye sore. It will go back to normal, it's just a matter of time.

Look to billboards of the iPhones X and beyond. You can see Apple awkwardly hiding behind its mistake; Planets with dark space covering the notch. Every single iPhone since the X, until iPhone SE2 came back out from SE.

Ah, sneaking back in with the notch-less norm.

Pitiful.

Worst marketing mistake ever made and iPhone 12 better have no notches or I'm sticking with my free iPhone 8 (I should still have my iPhone 6S but I got a free iPhone 8) or getting the SE2 because it still has a home button thank god.

You know what really sucks is that even without a notch, Apple still doesn't make this one crucial option available: To not have anything displayed on the top of the screen; Wifi, Cellular, Time, Lock, and when they still have it there, they still don't add on Date. Still no date. Date is crucial. Can't really get Date on the lock screen, because it's obscured by Battery % for 4 seconds.
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This is exactly what the Unabomber would say if they let him have conjugal visits.
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kkng said:
This is not about jetpacks lasting all day. As shown with the iPhone XR and iPhone 11, Apple can build phones with an (at least) 1-day battery, if they want to. So I hope they will want that for the iPhone 12 too, it's as simple as that.
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We'll see if the size allows for it and a large enough battery to make it happen, but I would temper my expectations given that the smaller the phone, they smaller the battery tends to be unless Apple sacrifices other niceties.
 
I have bad news. Something I wasn't aware of until now.

BOE's OLED isn't the same Diamond Pentile used in the LG and Samsung AMOLED. It will be the old pentile, which is even worst than the Diamond layout.

So I hope the rumours of BOE OLED is wrong. Or I hope the BOE OLED will only be sold within china.
 
ksec said:
I have bad news. Something I wasn't aware of until now.

BOE's OLED isn't the same Diamond Pentile used in the LG and Samsung AMOLED. It will be the old pentile, which is even worst than the Diamond layout.

So I hope the rumours of BOE OLED is wrong. Or I hope the BOE OLED will only be sold within china.
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For those of us who aren’t so well versed in touch screen manufacture, what are the practical ramifications of this production detail?
 
ksec said:
I am pretty sure the PPI for the other three are mostly correct . i.e We are going to see roughly ˜460 PPI even on the non Pro iPhone. And I did some number meshing, assuming Apple keep its current point system in place for iOS 14, those are the closest number you get for a ˜460PPI, any larger or smaller dont fit the point system scaling and 19.5:9 ratio.

It is the number on 5.4" is what dont make sense because 15 PPI is quite a bit different. 2262 x 1044 seems to fit the point system as well as 460 PPI better.

And That is on the assumption

1. The source is correct.
2. Apple wants to keep its 326PPI / 460 PPI intact.

And being as stubborn as Apple, I would not be surprised if that is the case.
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I just wanted to add, and this has been said many many times whenever the discussion of OLED and PPI came up. Apple isn't actually aiming for 460PPI per se. They are simply using this PPI on OLED because due to the sub pixel arrangement, 460 PPI OLED roughly equals to 326 PPI for Red and Blue Colour. You only get 460 PPI if you are only using the colour Green.

I.e They have been aiming for the 326PPI all along, the only exception ever was the iPhone Plus.
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I appreciate your explanation. I do agree with you about the PPI on the 5.4 iPhone 12 being a bit off. If anything I also thought that eventually this would tie down that all models will have 458 PPI. Apple tends to want to keep this things consistent. I guess we will all see soon enough.
 
johnnylarue said:
For those of us who aren’t so well versed in touch screen manufacture, what are the practical ramifications of this production detail?
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That is basically the difference. Ignore the size of the colour dots as they change from Display to Display depending on its client ( in this case Apple ) preference. But the idea is basically how the sub pixel ( colour dot ) are layout within each pixel.

A Diamond Pentile or also known as Diamond Matrix are what is currently tested and known as the most common arrangement ( for OLED ) developed and patented by Samsung. And Samsung has a Settlement with LG so LG could also produce OLED with Diamond Pentile, but as far as we know not BOE.

The current round of news is that Huawei P40 Pro, uses screen from both BOE and LG ( Similar situation as rumoured iPhone 12 6.1") and people are complaining LG has the better screen with sharper details.

And for some people like me who is already not a fan of OLED and Pentile arrangement ( As I wrote in previous post the 460PPI in iPhone is only for the Green Colour, Red and Blue is still only 326 PPI ), this possibly make the screen even worst than iPhone 11 Liquid Retina.

Now of course this is speculation and Apple could have demanded special OLED from BOE or Apple deemed that it is good enough.
 
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That is basically the difference. Ignore the size of the colour dots as they change from Display to Display depending on its client ( in this case Apple ) preference. But the idea is basically how the sub pixel ( colour dot ) are layout within each pixel.

A Diamond Pentile or also known as Diamond Matrix are what is currently tested and known as the most common arrangement ( for OLED ) developed and patented by Samsung. And Samsung has a Settlement with LG so LG could also produce OLED with Diamond Pentile, but as far as we know not BOE.

The current round of news is that Huawei P40 Pro, uses screen from both BOE and LG ( Similar situation as rumoured iPhone 12 6.1") and people are complaining LG has the better screen with sharper details.

And for some people like me who is already not a fan of OLED and Pentile arrangement ( As I wrote in previous post the 460PPI in iPhone is only for the Green Colour, Red and Blue is still only 326 PPI ), this possibly make the screen even worst than iPhone 11 Liquid Retina.

Now of course this is speculation and Apple could have demanded special OLED from BOE or Apple deemed that it is good enough.
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Thanks for that. Will be interesting to see how this (rumoured) choice of screen affects the final product. Apple tend to milk a lot of performance out of suboptimal parts. (I actually thought the iPhone 11 screen was really good for what it was.)
 
My personal opinion is that if the BOE display of the Chinese Communist Party is used, the Apple brand will be permanently compromised. Maybe Steve Jobs will turn in the grave.
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My personal opinion is that if the BOE display of the Chinese Communist Party is used, the Apple brand will be permanently compromised. Maybe Steve Jobs will turn in the grave.
 
TAJones99 said:
Yeah I'm keeping my 11 Pro Max and will wait for next year.
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Why is that something worth mentioning? No one expects people to buy a new phone each year. Apple makes a new phone and puts that into the market but they don’t expect everyone with a recent phone to drop it and buy the new one. Most people are best served by keeping their phone for 2,3,4 years. That saves some money and when you do upgrade, it is a bigger jump.
 
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Tagbert said:
Why is that something worth mentioning? No one expects people to buy a new phone each year. Apple makes a new phone and puts that into the market but they don’t expect everyone with a recent phone to drop it and buy the new one. Most people are best served by keeping their phone for 2,3,4 years. That saves some money and when you do upgrade, it is a bigger jump.
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Apple don't expect you to keep it, that's why they have there new upgrade program you can trade in your phone in a year to get the new one, I had the XS Max then upgraded to to 11 Pro Max for the battery life and camera. The reason I'm keeping my phone this time is because I want the S version of the iPhone 12. But I do want to start keeping my phones longer, I have upgrading issues and want all the new phones lol.
 
TAJones99 said:
Apple don't expect you to keep it, that's why they have there new upgrade program you can trade in your phone in a year to get the new one, I had the XS Max then upgraded to to 11 Pro Max for the battery life and camera. The reason I'm keeping my phone this time is because I want the S version of the iPhone 12. But I do want to start keeping my phones longer, I have upgrading issues and want all the new phones lol.
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The iUP is likely to serve less than 5% of users though. It’s not a hugely popular service for the simple reason it’s an expensive way of owning an iPhone. People pay the premium for the ability to upgrade after a year but many carriers are now offering their own variant that sometimes works out cheaper. I don’t think Apple base their market strategy on iUP, it’s just another leasing/buying option.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
The iUP is likely to serve less than 5% of users though. It’s not a hugely popular service for the simple reason it’s an expensive way of owning an iPhone. People pay the premium for the ability to upgrade after a year but many carriers are now offering their own variant that sometimes works out cheaper. I don’t think Apple base their market strategy on iUP, it’s just another leasing/buying option.
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I don’t think the prices are great to be honest.

If you want pro max 64GB it’s still £47 a month. £53.99 for 256GB and £61.99 for 512GB

For what I get on EE might as well just stick with annual
Upgrade on EE. Which I’m hoping will be even less this year with 128GB likely a storage option
 
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