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GMAB! Obviously, the daughter uses the mb as a video player. When that feature was omitted, she didn't understand the use of the laptop. You're acting as if she should be grateful because it has new specs. I don't think she's doing either any video encoding or photoshop. To say to her that you can burn or copy the discs is pretty meaningless to her. Should she be impressed that it's got ddr3 ram? What's her opinion on Lion? Is she upset because it's a c2d?

You buy her something expensive and OMG! she doesn't marvel at you. What's her hourly wage?

Maybe, she aint (on purpose) all that impressed with Apple products? Oh the horror!
 
In fact, many of the replies indicate responses from overly-indulgent parents who foist their parental shortcomings on those of us who believe that our kids should earn their privileges. I wonder if this Dad buys her lattes, pays the phone bill for her iPhone, or gives her a $100 iTunes gift card?!

Give me a break...a $1000 gift for an unappreciative 7-year old! The central issue isn't whether kids should have/be exposed to computers at this age...the issue is terrible parenting. Simply excusing this bad parenting by indicating that the Dad is caring misses the point.

No wonder many teachers complain about these narcissistic youngsters and their meddling, overly-protective parents who believe that: assignment red-marks are intended as a personal attack; "competition" is bad ("Every one on the soccer team gets a trophy for simply showing up!"); personal failure should be avoided at all costs (and when it happens, find a scapegoat!); short bursts of attention are adequate performance; their opinions count as much as others (including teachers and elders on matter of fact); whining about marks is acceptable.

Of course, these parents are also narcissistic and self-indulgent. Where do you think their children get these behaviours? In fact, many of the replies indicate responses from overly-indulgent parents who foist their parental shortcomings on those of us who believe that our kids should earn their privileges.

Buying "lots of stuff" for their kids doesn't gloss over the parental inadequacies of teaching them that individual accountability and responsibility for one's behaviour should be the benchmark of civiized behavioour.

Interesting how the criticisms voiced of this Dad and his spoilt brat has unleashed the defensiveness on the part of these self-absorbed "parents" who may feel that they've done a great job by burdening the rest of us with their crummy parenting?

Gosh, I'll bet there's some lucky kid in your house.
 
In fact, many of the replies indicate responses from overly-indulgent parents who foist their parental shortcomings on those of us who believe that our kids should earn their privileges. I wonder if this Dad buys her lattes, pays the phone bill for her iPhone, or gives her a $100 iTunes gift card?!

Give me a break...a $1000 gift for an unappreciative 7-year old! The central issue isn't whether kids should have/be exposed to computers at this age...the issue is terrible parenting. Simply excusing this bad parenting by indicating that the Dad is caring misses the point.

No wonder many teachers complain about these narcissistic youngsters and their meddling, overly-protective parents who believe that: assignment red-marks are intended as a personal attack; "competition" is bad ("Every one on the soccer team gets a trophy for simply showing up!"); personal failure should be avoided at all costs (and when it happens, find a scapegoat!); short bursts of attention are adequate performance; their opinions count as much as others (including teachers and elders on matter of fact); whining about marks is acceptable.

Of course, these parents are also narcissistic and self-indulgent. Where do you think their children get these behaviours?

Buying "lots of stuff" for their kids doesn't gloss over the parental inadequacies of teaching them that individual accountability and responsibility for one's behaviour should be the benchmark of civiized behavioour.

Interesting how the criticisms voiced of this Dad and his spoilt brat has unleashed the defensiveness on the part of these self-absorbed "parents" who may feel that they've done a great job by burdening the rest of us with their crummy parenting?

Do you have any kids? You're making a lot of assumptions. The OP didn't exactly lay out his parenting strategy here. While he could be completely spoiling his child (and potentially creating another entitlement child), nobody on here knows that for sure.

We know two things.

1. He loves his kid
2. He likes Apple computers

End of story. Unless there's someone in here with a PhD in Child Psychology that has enough facts to REALLY say something.
 
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To everyone saying how she should have some junk laptop, why? I know it's hard to believe, but to a lot of people a few grand isn't a lot to throw away on something worthless(not referring to laptops), let alone a computer. Don't assume everyone is in the same financial situation; there's always someone with more and someone with less, no matter how far to an extreme you are.

It's not like she threw it on the floor and said how she wanted a 17" or something, she liked the one she had. And on top of that she's SEVEN, money probably doesn't mean much, if anything, to her. I really don't see what everyone is freaking out about.



She is probably just pissed that she can't burn porn to disc and share with her friends.

She really sounds like a spoilt brat who doesn't appeciate the value of money, nice parenting skills there, wonder what she will be like when she hits her teens and wants money for Ketamin.
It's ketamine(and there's no reason to capitalize it); if you're going to try and insult someone, at the very least spell everything right. Not like that's the only spelling error, but whatever.
 
You're making a lot of assumptions. The OP didn't exactly lay out his parenting strategy here. While he could be completely spoiling his child (and potentially creating another entitlement child), nobody on here knows that for sure.

We know two things.

1. He loves his kid
2. He likes Apple computers
3. He spoiled his kid (of his own admission)
4. He is focussed on whether her computer had the features the daughter wanted rather than her initial reaction to the gift.

You're right about the unfounded assumptions about his specific parenting I made in my previous post. I was generalizing from this instance as a metaphor for bad parenting generally (and maybe it shouldn't be part of this discussion thread).
 
3. He spoiled his kid (of his own admission)

We still don't know of any real behavioral issues as a result. This is only a figurative term unless a broader example is given and the level of "spoiling" is defined. Everyone spoils their kid once in a while.

4. He is focussed on whether her computer had the features the daughter wanted rather than her initial reaction to the gift.

Really? It looks to me like he was surprised by how quick she identified a key piece of functionality that was missing for her.

You're right about the unfounded assumptions about his specific parenting I made in my previous post. I was generalizing from this instance as a metaphor for bad parenting generally (and maybe it shouldn't be part of this discussion thread).

You have as much a right as anyone else. I just feel strongly that one shouldn't criticize a parent for their methods in a demeaning way. Especially when:

a) the majority of the facts are not on the table.

b) one does not have a frame of reference to pass any kind of "judgement"
 
I had my first laptop at 13. A 15" Toshiba. It wasn't a benchmark monster. Just a $600 laptop.

I gotta say, having a $1000 laptop at 6 and getting a $1000 laptop to replace it at 7 is pretty crazy.

If all she wants is a CD Drive and OS X just google "Hackintosh Laptop" and find the cheapest one that meets those requirements.
 
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I had my first laptop at 13. A 15" Toshiba. It wasn't a benchmark monster. Just a $600 laptop.

I gotta say, having a $1000 laptop at 6 and getting a $1000 laptop to replace it at 7 is pretty crazy.

If all she wants is a CD Drive and OS X just google "Hackintosh Laptop" and find the cheapest one that meets those requirements.

that's cool, but why is it crazy that she has an expensive laptop? what's the difference between her having an air and some junky netbook? it's obviously not that she shouldn't have a laptop, and it being "too expensive" is relative; i really don't see what's the big deal with having an air.
 
Do you have any kids? You're making a lot of assumptions. The OP didn't exactly lay out his parenting strategy here. While he could be completely spoiling his child (and potentially creating another entitlement child), nobody on here knows that for sure.

We know two things.

1. He loves his kid
2. He likes Apple computers

End of story. Unless there's someone in here with a PhD in Child Psychology that has enough facts to REALLY say something.

Actually we know three things, at least

1. He loves his kid
2. He likes Apple computers
3. His kid uses her computer wisely, to do what she likes to do

The people commenting on the daughter being spoilt or the father's parenting skills just don't get it.
 
If she's running him around /he's pandering to her this much at age 7, I shudder to think of what will happen by the time she turns 16.

Maybe I'm wrong, and she's some sort of computer prodigy or attends some sort of advanced progressive school that requires computer usage at this age. It blows my mind that my daughter needed a laptop to do some schoolwork in middle school; I got through undergrad at an almost ivy league college with just an electronic typewriter with basic word processor capacity. Wow, I just realized that I've become an old fart. (sigh)

God, I hope I'm wrong.
 
...It blows my mind that my daughter needed a laptop to do some schoolwork in middle school; I got through undergrad at an almost ivy league college with just an electronic typewriter with basic word processor capacity. ...

I've never understood why people say this, time have changed. It's great you didn't have a computer in whatever " an almost ivy league college" is, but times have changed and what you did/didn't have then is pretty irrelevant.
 
Sounds like the white MB is better for her needs and wants.

Why not just return the 11" MBA and be happy she's already enjoying her current laptop?
 
A seven year old has no business with a $1000 laptop, or any other laptop for that matter.

Clearly you have no knowledge of education, the needs and capabilities of students.

I have taught kids a young and five who are more capable than some of the (older) staff in school.

Don't be too presumptuous.
 
If she's running him around /he's pandering to her this much at age 7, I shudder to think of what will happen by the time she turns 16.

Maybe I'm wrong, and she's some sort of computer prodigy or attends some sort of advanced progressive school that requires computer usage at this age. It blows my mind that my daughter needed a laptop to do some schoolwork in middle school; I got through undergrad at an almost ivy league college with just an electronic typewriter with basic word processor capacity. Wow, I just realized that I've become an old fart. (sigh)

God, I hope I'm wrong.

And there was a time when you could get through college with a quill pen and a bottle of ink.

The thing that gets me is that some people think that the kid should not have a computer at all even though she was using it responsibly, and even had a routine of going to the library and getting DVDs and other media. If this is so bad, should libraries be limited to just having books? Other people seemed to be upset that the kid would have a preference, and should just shut up and take the new computer, even though additional hardware would be required to let her use the library media.

My preteen niece and nephew are in middle school. The district provides laptops to all students. That they have been around computers all their lives and were able to use them from an early gave them a bit of an advantage.

And who knows what things will be like for the next generation, and what technology we will take for granted as being accessible even for kids.
 
You're a really smart guy getting your seven year old daughter a MacBook air. Super smart. Good job on being so smart bro.
 
Clearly you have no knowledge of education, the needs and capabilities of students.

I have taught kids a young and five who are more capable than some of the (older) staff in school.

Don't be too presumptuous.

I work with children with Autism. Tech is such an amazing tool for advancing their social skills and aiding in the learning process. Computers are a creative tool for kids and why stifle creativity with a lack luster computer? $1000 is no longer a lot of money. I'd rather buy a system that is going to survive the abuses of children and if that costs a little more, why not.

I think we have all seen the effects of use on a cheap laptop hinge and other such flimsy parts on cheaper machines.

Cheers :)
 
And there was a time when you could get through college with a quill pen and a bottle of ink.

The thing that gets me is that some people think that the kid should not have a computer at all even though she was using it responsibly, and even had a routine of going to the library and getting DVDs and other media. If this is so bad, should libraries be limited to just having books? Other people seemed to be upset that the kid would have a preference, and should just shut up and take the new computer, even though additional hardware would be required to let her use the library media.

My preteen niece and nephew are in middle school. The district provides laptops to all students. That they have been around computers all their lives and were able to use them from an early gave them a bit of an advantage.

And who knows what things will be like for the next generation, and what technology we will take for granted as being accessible even for kids.

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And when I was in high school we used cuneiform-we knew it was time for school to end for the day...the sun baked the tablets hard so we couldn't record anymore. OLD SCHOOL!
 
Clearly you have no knowledge of education, the needs and capabilities of students.

I have taught kids a young and five who are more capable than some of the (older) staff in school.

Don't be too presumptuous.

A cheap laptop wouldn't do? Use your brain before you speak.
 
I work with children with Autism. Tech is such an amazing tool for advancing their social skills and aiding in the learning process. Computers are a creative tool for kids and why stifle creativity with a lack luster computer? $1000 is no longer a lot of money. I'd rather buy a system that is going to survive the abuses of children and if that costs a little more, why not.

I think we have all seen the effects of use on a cheap laptop hinge and other such flimsy parts on cheaper machines.

Cheers :)

What would you suggest for my 13 year old son with Aspergers? He's here for the summer and having a field day with my slightly old tech.
 
There's a few things.

First, it is so important that your daughter identify and express her will. She clearly has one, which is great. The pitfalls of going from childhood to adulthood often involve losing your will and your trust in it. That she knows what she wants is a wonderful indication of good parenting on your part!

Second, your daughter, as a human being with feelings and a will, will express displeasure or pleasure with things, like she probably does with food. You know that a MacBook Air costs a lot more than food--she might be much less aware of this.

Third, it sounds like her concerns are valid. You didn't say she expressed any displeasure with her current computer and she has learned to use it in a certain way. She might not be like people here on Macrumors who decide to upgrade often.

Fourth, you say as a result of this you will be spending more time with your son, and you may have been joking, which is fine, but it could be indicative of something. As adults we come to realize we cannot choose the way people express their love to us. My mother is not the maternal type, but she's very good at throwing parties. I accept that party throwing is her way of showing love. A child shouldn't have to realize this. You feel your daughter rejected you because of the way you uniquely attach value to a computer and or money spent. That may not be how she wants or expects love from you. It's possible it never crosses her mind.

Fifth, there are some people, like myself and my mother, who are not good at receiving gifts. From a young age I would watch my mother react to gifts in a way most people would consider unbecoming. If she received a sweater from my grandmother, she would say something like, "Oh, this would have been so nice for Susan instead, don't you think?"

I am the same way. For Christmas last year, my "big" present from my parents was a new pair of eyeglasses. I was disappointed because eyeglasses seem like something you should pick out yourself and I needed a new prescription so it seemed like a waste to get a new pair without the new prescription. After a few months though, I was quite glad with the practicality of the gift. I would not have gotten a new pair myself or gone for the new prescription, and I wear out my glasses fairly quickly, so it was nice just to have a functioning pair.

But now that in my family we know that my mom and I react poorly to presents, it's an accepted thing and no one gets upset by it. Christmas and birthdays are a very hard time for me with receiving gifts. It's partially that I get well intentioned gifts that fall short. At my last birthday my only wish was for a blood glucose meter because I was pre-diabetic at the time and my doctor wouldn't prescribe me the kit. So, my mom got me one of the $10 kits with rebate at the drugstore but it didn't even include any testing strips. It was a pretty disappointing gift because the strips cost a fortune, but there were other smaller gifts and breakfast in bed.

The point is that in my family, we expect holidays and birthdays to be emotionally traumatic times and I at least expect very, very little, and it is accepted if I react poorly. However, I usually come around, as I did in the case with the glasses.

Often long term relationships don't start idyllically, like my relationship with the glasses. I'm suspicious of the ones that do. Perhaps your daughter will grow into the MBA in a way she wouldn't have if she weren't able to be honest about how she felt about it when she first saw it.

There can be other more complex reasons for your daughter's reaction. There was a sudden change that was out of her control! Why was she receiving the gift? Does she associate receiving expensive gifts with bad times in her life when you have paid her for guilt you've had over something? There are many possibilities.

My main suggestion would be to see the beauty of your daughter's will. She has one--it's the gift of life. She wouldn't be who she is if she acted exactly the way you hoped or expected. I think that you were very well intentioned; however, I have seen in my own family experiences the dangers of having self appointed experts exerting their will over people, especially in my family females, who begin to feel their opinions don't matter in the face of experts on technology, etc. I think you need to allow for opinion diversity even if according to an objective benchmark in your mind that opinion seems worse, especially with children. It's very important children make choices about preferences. And sometimes when they make choices contrary to what we would do, where you even feel bad because you feel like it's a waste, you can see they value something more pure than we as adults do. She might have liked a lunchbox with a giraffe as much as the MacBook Air for all I know. Everyone in my family told my sister to wait and not get an iPhone. We told her a new model was coming out soon! We said this for months. Finally in May she bought a new iPhone--and a white one! I bit my tongue and told her I loved the white! The thing is that she is SO happy with it. It shouldn't have mattered to begin with that I thought she should wait or not. She didn't care about having the latest generation. She doesn't even have any applications on the iPhone and loves it! Should I berate her and tell her she's not allowed to be happy until she's getting the full value of the phone? It's my instinct, but it's a bad instinct.

So with your guidance, my suggestion would be to seek her input into what she wants, even when your gut tells you that you know better for her. Because in the end, even if you get what you think is best for her, she's the one who will find value in it. And even more importantly, she will value her own sense of her judgment depending on how you react to her.

I don't intend any of this as a criticism. You are father of the year for caring and just being there.
 
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