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Resting calories not in Health app

midloman said:
Attached are pictures of my settings and my move info from yesterday (whole day). Online calculators indicate my BMR should be around 2700 or so. Apple Watch resting calories (BMR) works out to about 4200 given the data below. Like another user here, this is about the same value I've been getting from the Apple Watch for resting calories since I've had it. This is what I was hoping would be fixed in iOS 9. It seems to be fixed for some, but not for me. I don't understand why.


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Did I read your chart right? 616 calories of activity and not a single minute of actual workout? I get credit for minutes just waking around for a few minutes. Even on my laziest day, I will register 5-10 minutes of exercise just by going to the mailbox and bringing I. The trash and walking the dogs around my yard. You register 616 of movement without one second of exercise. Also, it looks like you have been up and moving around for about 19-20 hours out of 24. Do you work a third shift? If you wake up at 6am and make sure and walk around every hour until midnight, that is only 18.

Trying to figure out what could be wrong.
 
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Blue moon- appreciate you helping folks out-

The only recent source in health for weight is sync solver. I use the app to sync the weight and body fat values from the Fitbit Aria scale to health.

I deleted today's value of 195 from health- then added a new value of 194 manually. Activity dropped about 10 cal. I then deleted the manual entry of 194 and replaced it with 150. The calorie value in activity dropped quite a bit. I then corrected the manual entry back to 195... And the number is back where we started.
 
IW1206MT said:
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Blue moon- appreciate you helping folks out-

The only recent source in health for weight is sync solver. I use the app to sync the weight and body fat values from the Fitbit Aria scale to health.

I deleted today's value of 195 from health- then added a new value of 194 manually. Activity dropped about 10 cal. I then deleted the manual entry of 194 and replaced it with 150. The calorie value in activity dropped quite a bit. I then corrected the manual entry back to 195... And the number is back where we started.
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Interesting. You sound like me with iOS 8 and I was playing around with it quite a bit. Several here were trying to figure this out and the beta 1 came out for ios9 and resting calories were gone and the numbers were good.

When you set the weight manually to 150 did you by chance reload the Apple Watch app and check the health to see if it also dropped to 150 and you age and sex and height were also correct?

You are almost to the point of wiping the watch but that seems extreme. It's like you have iOS 8 problems witb iOS 9 working because you don't have resting calories.

Do you have similar information as the other guy with move calories but somehow not a single exercise minute? I'm trying to figure out why it can't calculate right with the correct app in iOS 9.
 
BlueMoon63 said:
Did I read your chart right? 616 calories of activity and not a single minute of actual workout? I get credit for minutes just waking around for a few minutes. Even on my laziest day, I will register 5-10 minutes of exercise just by going to the mailbox and bringing I. The trash and walking the dogs around my yard. You register 616 of movement without one second of exercise. Also, it looks like you have been up and moving around for about 19-20 hours out of 24. Do you work a third shift? If you wake up at 6am and make sure and walk around every hour until midnight, that is only 18.

Trying to figure out what could be wrong.
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The movement not translating to exercise has been somewhat of a concern as well. I was getting more credit for it until I "calibrated" the watch on a couple of outdoor walk "workouts". Since I did that, it's been harder to register exercise minutes without doing an actual workout. I don't typically walk around the office or to and from the parking lot at a 3.5 mph clip, which is what I've read is what it takes. If you're getting it just from going to the mailbox, and taking the trash out, then maybe I have other issues with the watch.

I don't work a third shift; I just get up early (6 AM or so) and tend to stay up pretty late at night usually 12 or 1 AM. This is where the 19th hour came from: I fell asleep in front of the TV downstairs Thursday night; woke up at about 3 AM and went upstairs to go to bed. Hit my stand goal for the hour!

The exercise question is a valid one; maybe I can check with Apple on that. Or if anyone has any feedback on what they've been experiencing, that would be helpful as well.

I still have no clue about the total calorie / resting calorie situation. Hopefully, you can see why I don't believe iOS 9 made any difference at all in my calorie calculations. Any ideas at all as to why?

It's really bugging me, especially when I see posts from you and others that say yours seems to work just as expected.
 
BlueMoon63 said:
Interesting. You sound like me with iOS 8 and I was playing around with it quite a bit. Several here were trying to figure this out and the beta 1 came out for ios9 and resting calories were gone and the numbers were good.

When you set the weight manually to 150 did you by chance reload the Apple Watch app and check the health to see if it also dropped to 150 and you age and sex and height were also correct?

You are almost to the point of wiping the watch but that seems extreme. It's like you have iOS 8 problems witb iOS 9 working because you don't have resting calories.

Do you have similar information as the other guy with move calories but somehow not a single exercise minute? I'm trying to figure out why it can't calculate right with the correct app in iOS 9.
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I have exersize minutes - no problem there. (See my screenshot a few posts up). By dropping the weight from 195 to 150, activity immediately reduced cal count about 600. Interesting- the data in the watch app for weight took several minutes to update. This makes me thing that activity is reading the value directly from health.

Age/sex/ height/weight are all correct in the watch app and health.
 
Midloman- I can get exersize credit walking in from the parking lot - into the store etc- but only if I walk pretty fast. I notice that I can get credit if I go for a brisk 15 min walk at lunch.

I have an office job and I can usually end the day with 15-20 min on the exersize ring- but only if I try to speed walk everywhere.
 
IW1206MT said:
I have exersize minutes - no problem there. (See my screenshot a few posts up). By dropping the weight from 195 to 150, activity immediately reduced cal count about 600. Interesting- the data in the watch app for weight took several minutes to update. This makes me thing that activity is reading the value directly from health.

Age/sex/ height/weight are all correct in the watch app and health.
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IW1206 and BlueMoon: have you all "calibrated" your watch by doing outdoor walks or runs? It was after doing that it became difficult for me to accumulate exercise minutes without explicitly doing a workout.

What's involved in wiping the watch? If I unpair it, I think that creates a backup on the phone. If I then repair it, will all of the settings come back onto the watch automatically, or will I be asked if I want to "restore" it, kind of like when you back up your phone and then move to a different one? Will it take me through the whole setup process on the phone again, or will it only do that if I don't restore the watch?
 
IW1206MT said:
Midloman- I can get exersize credit walking in from the parking lot - into the store etc- but only if I walk pretty fast. I notice that I can get credit if I go for a brisk 15 min walk at lunch.

I have an office job and I can usually end the day with 15-20 min on the exersize ring- but only if I try to speed walk everywhere.
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Thanks, IW1206MT, that makes me feel a little better about the exercise minute situation; I don't often try to speed walk everywhere. I've come to the conclusion that I have fairly short legs for my height apparently. I often feel like I'm walking faster just to keep up with some folks at my office when we're walking around the building. For me to "speed walk" at a 3.5 mph clip or whatever it takes to get exercise credit, I'm damn near jogging.

I'll make the effort this week on my walks to and from the parking lot to see if I can at least get 8-10 minutes of credit that way.
 
midloman said:
Thanks, IW1206MT, that makes me feel a little better about the exercise minute situation; I don't often try to speed walk everywhere. I've come to the conclusion that I have fairly short legs for my height apparently. I often feel like I'm walking faster just to keep up with some folks at my office when we're walking around the building. For me to "speed walk" at a 3.5 mph clip or whatever it takes to get exercise credit, I'm damn near jogging.

I'll make the effort this week on my walks to and from the parking lot to see if I can at least get 8-10 minutes of credit that way.
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No worries on the exercise and speed walking. Was more curious how you got credit for so much movement without even one minute counted towards exercise. :)

Based on both of you having the exact same issue and also having ios9 there doesn't appear to be anything you are doing wrong and the weight changes is quickly updating all makes sense and it is working.

I wouldn't want to wipe my watch when the update that fixes this issue was an update to the iOS. There is some OCD in me to want everything working perfectly and this would bug me after awhile. I think I would call Apple to let them tell me to re-pair or wipe anything because we know it works for others.
 
Apple advised me to wait for OS2. Knowing it is working for others without OS2 makes me skeptical. But I am willing to wait a few days before wiping devices etc...
 
BlueMoon, I know what you mean. This issue has been bugging me for the past 3 months, but I was being patient and believing that Apple would get this fixed. Apparently, they did for some; I just can't get why it's not fixed for all of us.

Like IW1206MT, I'll wait for Watch OS2 and see if that makes any difference at all. I agree that it seems like it shouldn't matter, but I guess we'll see. Did Apple agree that there's a problem when you talked to them?
 
midloman said:
BlueMoon, I know what you mean. This issue has been bugging me for the past 3 months, but I was being patient and believing that Apple would get this fixed. Apparently, they did for some; I just can't get why it's not fixed for all of us.

Like IW1206MT, I'll wait for Watch OS2 and see if that makes any difference at all. I agree that it seems like it shouldn't matter, but I guess we'll see. Did Apple agree that there's a problem when you talked to them?
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Apple agreed that there was a problem when I talked with them. This was in July. At the time they advised that it should be fixed in OS2.

Yesterday, I followed up with the advisor I spoke with in July who asked that I wait until os2.

As an aside- Apple providing a direct contact for an advisor who gets back to me within minutes is just awesome service. I can't think of any other company that would do that.
 
This is strange since the formulas and calculations are very straight forward and only based on 4 metric points. It seems it would be either correct for all or wrong for all.
 
Midloman- I just tried walking at 3.5 mph without using the workout app and the minutes accrued to the exersize ring. I used mapmyfitness to keep my pace under 17.14 min /mile. (3.5 mph or faster) By using the app to watch the pace one can get a good mental idea of how fast they need to walk to accrue minutes.
 
IW1206MT said:
Midloman- I just tried walking at 3.5 mph without using the workout app and the minutes accrued to the exersize ring. I used mapmyfitness to keep my pace under 17.14 min /mile. (3.5 mph or faster) By using the app to watch the pace one can get a good mental idea of how fast they need to walk to accrue minutes.
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The amount of effort required to meet the "...a brisk walk or above..." is based on each individual's metrics. So your walk/effort requirement doesn't directly correlate to others. For instance a 70 years, 5', 95lbs female's requirement would be VASTLY different from a 25 years, 6'5", 195lbs male.
 
Cool - good to know. In any case one could play with different paces to figure out what 'counts' then try to match this pace through normal walking through the day. It makes me push a little more during regular activity- not a bad thing!
 
IW1206MT said:
Cool - good to know. In any case one could play with different paces to figure out what 'counts' then try to match this pace through normal walking through the day. It makes me push a little more during regular activity- not a bad thing!
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The problem is also that your BMR is off and this figures in the base calculation of what equals "...a brisk walk or above..." to you. So yours is not correct.
 
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I'm one of the folks with the BMR that's not correct. Very not correct.

Thanks for the test on the speed walking; I'll have to try that and track my pace to get a feel for what it takes. I was at the mall earlier today, and I walked the circuit once or twice at what felt like a pretty good clip. Not a single minute of exercise credit. I could've sworn I was hitting it. Anything more may actually result in a jog for me. Maybe Julien's statement (below) is why I'm not getting credit.

Julien: I'd be interested in learning more about your statement that the watch's/app's BMR calculation or calculation process figuring in what is exercise and what isn't. For some reason, I assumed that decision point was on the watch; is it the activity app that makes that determination based on the data that's passed to it? Of course, I thought the activity app handled the BMR calculation, but since Apple wants us to wait for Watch OS2 that may not be correct either.
 
I installed OS2 this evening, then rebooted my iPhone 6 and the watch. A few minutes later I checked resting calories, they had effectively reset to zero for the day.

I then reset fitness calibration data to give the system a bit of a fresh start. I will update the thread tomorrow- hopefully the issue will be corrected.
 
IW1206MT said:
I installed OS2 this evening, then rebooted my iPhone 6 and the watch. A few minutes later I checked resting calories, they had effectively reset to zero for the day.

I then reset fitness calibration data to give the system a bit of a fresh start. I will update the thread tomorrow- hopefully the issue will be corrected.
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Good luck! I know this has been a problem for you... I hope it works!
 
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OS2 is recording resting calories- and they are variable.

The values spiked in the graph during my elliptical workout this evening.

They must be accounting for activity above sleep but lower than 'active.'

It will be interesting to see where this levels out for a day.
 
IW1206MT said:
OS2 is recording resting calories- and they are variable.

The values spiked in the graph during my elliptical workout this evening.

They must be accounting for activity above sleep but lower than 'active.'

It will be interesting to see where this levels out for a day.
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This is interesting. I'm in the process of downloading OS2 now. I was hoping that starting late (1:30 AM) would speed up the process for me -- no such luck. It's taking over an hour just to download to the phone. I hope the transfer to the watch goes more quickly.

I'm looking forward to seeing if my resting calorie numbers change at all once I'm up and going.
 
IW1206MT said:
OS2 is recording resting calories- and they are variable.

The values spiked in the graph during my elliptical workout this evening.

They must be accounting for activity above sleep but lower than 'active.'

It will be interesting to see where this levels out for a day.
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Where are you seeing this? Under the iPhones' Activity App under the Workout? Also your BMR (Resting calories) are NOT dynamic had stay relatively the same. If they are changing without modifying your metrics then there is a problem.
 
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