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I just said to someone today: Apple has one of the most powerful personal computers starting at $899 (EDU pricing), and yet I'm still probably going to move to Windows because the software quality has gotten so much worse over time. But then I thought: Well maybe the M1 Macs will be different! And then I see this. And honestly I have no idea what Windows is like. I probably last used it in the year 2000. Just tired of having to babysit my Apple devices.
You should try it. It is the nightmare it has always been. It is still built on top of registry so good luck. 👍🏾 I just left a job where I had to use Windows 10 for a year. Hated every minute of it. I had more issues with relatively new computers than I had with my MacBook Air that is now starting to show its age at 10 years old. I will be buying a New air soon. By the way I have 4 working Macs in the house and the newest one is from 2013. The oldest is from 2001. I’ve had 3 or 4 PCs die during this period.
 
I just said to someone today: Apple has one of the most powerful personal computers starting at $899 (EDU pricing), and yet I'm still probably going to move to Windows because the software quality has gotten so much worse over time. But then I thought: Well maybe the M1 Macs will be different! And then I see this. And honestly I have no idea what Windows is like. I probably last used it in the year 2000. Just tired of having to babysit my Apple devices.
I have a 2016 Dell and a 2019 MBP.

I think I’ve had to reboot the MBP more in two years than the Dell in five years.

If I ditched Apple, I’d miss iWork and iLife, but honestly, I think I’d go ahead and just go Windows only sooner than I’d go Mac only. Windows 10 is for Windows what Snow Leopard was for the Mac - rock steady. It just works. No pointless annual releases that reskin everything for the worse and somehow introduces a boatload of bugs despite delivering no worthwhile features.
 
So ridiculous. Didn’t anyone at Apple even test this before shipping these out? Doesn’t seem like it. How does this happen? How can Apple have thousands of employees on staff and not catch these things?

Oh and great solution...in order to make our product work, you have to have ANOTHER of our products to revive the one we broke. Fantastic. 🙄
 
bummer. i was just warming up to getting one given all the oodles of praise for its performance. oh well.
 
macOS 11 on an M1 is likely compiled for that processor. Attempting to restore an install of macOS from a machine with an Intel processor sounds like something that is destined to fail in addition to just being a really dumb idea.
Not necessarily. This isn't much different than restoring the OS to your (non-Intel) iPhone or iPad from your Mac or Windows PC. Even Apple's support documentation on this process simply states "another Mac with macOS Catalina 10.15.6 or later" is needed.
 
Some things I dont understand. You can remove apps like iMovie and GarageBand and just put the additional stuff into a folder. Why would you restore the OS ?
Because some people are old enough to remember MS-DOS and early versions of Windows (before Windows NT) where if you removed a program it would leave a "hole" in the file system and lead to not only disk fragmentation but because the OS was now spread over more tracks on the drive, the moving head would have to move more. A "clean install" would make a physically more compact installation.

Of course with newer file systems and SSD none of this matters. But many people never really understood why they were doing these "clean installs" on MS-DOS so they likely don't now see why it does not matter.
 
bummer. i was just warming up to getting one given all the oodles of praise for its performance. oh well.
I purchased an MBA (16GB, 1TB) a week ago, with delivery expected early December.

Not worried in the slightest about today's hiccup. It'll work out fine and am stoked about the test results I've seen online. Can't wait to get it!

If for some reason the issue turns out to affect me and there's no solution in sight (which won't be happening), I can always return the laptop by January 8th. Easy.
 
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How did you restore it? Did you make a bootable USB stick of 11.0.1 in another Mac? Or did you use internet recover?

It's a software issue, not a hardware issue. Likely Apple hasn't updated its Internet Recovery servers with the latest version of Big Sur for M1.

Macs with Apple Silicon do not have the Internet Recovery option. Mr. Macintosh wrote an excellent blog post about it here: https://mrmacintosh.com/how-to-rein...pple-silicon-mac-everything-you-need-to-know/
 
I have a 2016 Dell and a 2019 MBP.

I think I’ve had to reboot the MBP more in two years than the Dell in five years.

If I ditched Apple, I’d miss iWork and iLife, but honestly, I think I’d go ahead and just go Windows only sooner than I’d go Mac only. Windows 10 is for Windows what Snow Leopard was for the Mac - rock steady. It just works. No pointless annual releases that reskin everything for the worse and somehow introduces a boatload of bugs despite delivering no worthwhile features.
Windows 10 is total crap. two versions a year. always disaster. BSOD and broken PC.
 
While I understand that there are "better" ways to uninstall unwanted apps, it is the users' freedom to do whatever they want with the machine. So the whole "why would you restore a brand new Mac" or "you could have just (insert method) instead" argument is totally missing the point. A system restore function is assumed to be reliable, so it can't possibly be the users' fault.
 
While I understand that there are "better" ways to uninstall unwanted apps, it is the users' freedom to do whatever they want with the machine. So the whole "why would you restore a brand new Mac" or "you could have just (insert method) instead" argument is totally missing the point. A system restore function is assumed to be reliable, so it can't possibly be the users' fault.
I absolutetly agree with you.

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I have a 2016 Dell and a 2019 MBP.

I think I’ve had to reboot the MBP more in two years than the Dell in five years.

If I ditched Apple, I’d miss iWork and iLife, but honestly, I think I’d go ahead and just go Windows only sooner than I’d go Mac only. Windows 10 is for Windows what Snow Leopard was for the Mac - rock steady. It just works. No pointless annual releases that reskin everything for the worse and somehow introduces a boatload of bugs despite delivering no worthwhile features.
Windows is rock steady, u should become a comedian!!
And windows is full of bugs too and updates fail and crash computers and even delete data, so don't go saying
windows is "rock steady".
 
While I understand that there are "better" ways to uninstall unwanted apps, it is the users' freedom to do whatever they want with the machine. So the whole "why would you restore a brand new Mac" or "you could have just (insert method) instead" argument is totally missing the point. A system restore function is assumed to be reliable, so it can't possibly be the users' fault.
100% agree, the restoration does have M1 code to put into the image and thus fails and bricks
 
While I understand that there are "better" ways to uninstall unwanted apps, it is the users' freedom to do whatever they want with the machine. So the whole "why would you restore a brand new Mac" or "you could have just (insert method) instead" argument is totally missing the point. A system restore function is assumed to be reliable, so it can't possibly be the users' fault.
The flaw with that theory is this..

The more you try to idiot proof something, the better the idiot becomes at destroying it.
 
Sounds like an invalid procedure to begin with. I would never attempt that. 1). Just delete the apps you don’t want. Makes sense, right. 2) restoring from a non m1 image, what does that even mean?
Right?! Shouldn't this be the way? Manually deleting the software you don't want instead of doing a full restore? Or am I missing something?
 
So ridiculous. Didn’t anyone at Apple even test this before shipping these out? Doesn’t seem like it. How does this happen? How can Apple have thousands of employees on staff and not catch these things?

Oh and great solution...in order to make our product work, you have to have ANOTHER of our products to revive the one we broke. Fantastic. 🙄
but they did design and test a Great SoC. funny huh lol
 
People blaming first gen products are probably off on the wrong track.

It’s a big sur problem and likely not unique to the M1 macs.

It’s why you should avoid new Apple OS releases on mission critical machines.
 
Some things I dont understand. You can remove apps like iMovie and GarageBand and just put the additional stuff into a folder. Why would you restore the OS ?
Because some people are ridiculously anal-retentive about this kind of stuff and this is what happens. It’s still on Apple to fix it, since bricked Macs are no good regardless of how they got that way.
 
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Will be returning my Air 2020 ASAP. Can't run HBO Max full screen. Lots of other dumb messages from Apple I'm taking screenshots of. One last thing, Signing out is a process. Two sign-outs required. Lots of verification that it is really you who wants to dumb 11.0.
 
Another vote for simply removing Garage Band and iMovie. But it still doesn't change the fact that I actively dislike Big Sur. It is inferior to Catalina in every way that matters to me. And this is the first time I've really felt this way about a Mac operating system. iOS is different. iOS 13 was a train wreck. Apple had better wake up. They are failing on the software front. This is Windows 95 level stuff and I, for one, won't put up with it for long. Not at these prices.
 
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