Retina MacBook Pro Could Lose EPEAT Status

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Yesterday, Apple reversed course on their decision to remove their products from the EPEAT Environmental Registry. In a letter recognizing the move as a "mistake", Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering Bob Mansfield reported that all eligible Apple products are now back on the registry.

    The new Retina MacBook Pro was notably included in the "Gold" level status which represents the highest rating from EPEAT.


    Retina MacBook Pro battery via iFixit
    Fortune, however, cites the Electronics TakeBack Coalition's Barbara Kyle in a blog posting that expressed doubts that this rating will ultimately stick:
    Kyle cites issues with required criteria for EPEAT's "Design for End of Life" which may prohibit the use of glue to attach the battery to the casing as has been seen on the Retina MacBook Pro.

    A lack of EPEAT certification can have consequences as many government offices and corporations require certification for company purchases.

    Article Link: Retina MacBook Pro Could Lose EPEAT Status
  2. miles01110 macrumors Core


    Jul 24, 2006
    The Ivory Tower (I'm not coming down)
    Probably not, actually. Government offices and corporations don't use Macs very much to begin with, and when they do they usually aren't portables. Assuming it just affects the RMBP, anyways.
  3. cdmoore74 macrumors 68020

    Jun 24, 2010
    So much confusion. So much indecision.

    And here we witness the chaos without Steve Jobs.
  4. diddl14 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 10, 2009
    In terms of recyclability I don't quit get the issue with glue?

    Doesn't that make it easier to remove and recycle the battery?

    The fact that the battery is not packed in some plastic casing also sounds like a big plus in term of less non-recyclable material used?
  5. east85 macrumors 65816


    Jun 24, 2010
    Seems like Tim Cook probably found out about this just in time and kept the matter from snowballing. Unless it was his decision to begin with, in which case it seems he's learning. Either way, it's good to see the attempt. :apple:
  6. SkyBell macrumors 604


    Sep 7, 2006
    Texas, unfortunately.
    Makes sense to me. No upgradability, means it gets tossed as soon as better performance is needed. I don't know about the rest of the world admitedly, but where I'm from recycling is almost unheard of and considered unnecessary and a waste of time. :rolleyes:
  7. chrf097 macrumors 68040


    Dec 16, 2011
    The rMBP for now, but soon it'll affect the rest of the Pros, the Air, the Mini, the iMac, and probably any other future computer as things get thinner and more compact. The only computer this would probably never affect is the Mac Pro.
  8. zorinlynx macrumors 601


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    I think this whole gluing the battery in thing is the worst idea Apple has ever had.

    Batteries are consumable. They need to be replaced eventually. They contain toxic chemicals and need special handling for recycling.

    Why did anyone at Apple think gluing the battery in was a good idea? It makes warranty service on the battery more expensive for the company. Surely a mounting screw does not occupy THAT MUCH space!

    A glued-in battery is barely forgiveable on a $500 iPad. On a $2000 laptop with a much bigger battery? It's preposterous.
  9. hypnos58 macrumors newbie

    Jun 18, 2009
  10. tiwizard macrumors regular

    Jul 12, 2010
    At least in education, the schools around here use iMacs and the old polycarbonate Macbooks. I don't see them spending $2k+ on laptops when they have their keys pried off by kids, so this doesn't really seem like too much of an issue...
  11. isoft7 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 3, 2011
    Indeed... from everything I've seen over the past 3 months I fully expect Apple will see a rather dramatic decline in market domination going forward. And from that, direct evidence to the concept that Steve Jobs really was one of the greatest pioneers in the tech industry.


    Agreed, with their success has come arrogance. It's time for a correction. Several attempts met with failure will force a change in mentality at Cupertino.
  12. Fortimir macrumors 6502a


    Sep 5, 2007
    Indianapolis, IN
    Do you know a better way to make a device as small as humanly possible with zero wasted space?
  13. gnasher729, Jul 14, 2012
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    gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    Only a complete idiot would thow a Retina MBP away because it cannot be upgraded. Put a sign up "free MBP, not upgradeable" and you will find a stampede of people trying to get it.

    But if you really want to throw it away, and you don't care about recycling, just take it with you when you buy your replacement Mac, and Apple will take it off your hands and likely give you some cash for it. (Probably goes to the back of the store, and after the store closes it will be auctioned to the employees, with the money put in the pot for the christmas party. Or it becomes the bonus for the "employee of the month". ).

    So what happens when it needs replacing? You take the MBP to Apple, you hand over the cash, and they replace the battery. What's the problem?
  14. farmboy macrumors 6502a


    Nov 26, 2003
    I'm guessing, based on taking quite a few things apart in my life (and most of which were not my original intent), that a 2-inch putty knife will separate the battery from the case. It should not be that big of a deal.
  15. artificemm macrumors newbie

    Aug 15, 2011
    I knew it

    I suspected that the whole issue of the certification was about the Retina MBP...

    And obviously, the late Jobs, would be using his F.U.D. powers to convince all people otherwise... :D

    So much drama...
  16. diddl14 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 10, 2009
    That might well be, however this is about if a glued in battery is less environmental friendly and more difficult to recycle. Not if Apple is deceiving its customers by claiming that their latest battery technology no longer requires batteries to be user replaceable/consumable.
  17. ShiftyPig macrumors 6502a

    Aug 24, 2008
    Surely leaving the layer of glue out would help.
  18. Pivs macrumors member

    Jul 2, 2012
    Who is really gonna break down and recycle all of the components of a laptop by themselves anyway. Just take it to apple!
  19. dru` macrumors regular

    Jul 25, 2004
    Of course batteries are consumables. Apple claims they've got a 5 year life and you can be sure they can be replaced by a qualified technician if, or when, they fail.

    Remember Apple offers free recycling for its products all over the world and they've been building laptops for twenty years. Consumer replaceable batteries is probably a freedom you think you need when you really don't.

    The key thing here is the marketplace LOVES Apple's devices which have made the choice to opt out of consumer replaceable batteries in favor of lighter, thinner devices with larger batteries.

    Would I be satisfied with a "5 yr" lifespan on a $2000 laptop? Maybe not, but I'm honest enough to accept I never bothered replacing batteries in the ones I've owned.
  20. Quicklite macrumors regular

    Dec 1, 2011
    Fascinating to see a different Apple under Tim - more corporate friendly, possibly more susceptible to consumer opinion - but we're definitely not used to U turns from Apple!
  21. Cory Bauer macrumors 6502a

    Jun 26, 2003
    I guess I don't understand why Apple had to glue the battery to the inside of the laptop in the first place; I mean as tightly as this thing is assembled, wouldn't the battery just stay in place without any kind of adhesive whatsoever? And if they must adhere it to the case, couldn't they use a glue that's easlily breakable with a little force? The reports make it sound like Apple's using some kind of NASA-grade glue that makes it impossible to remove the battery without spilling it's hazardous guts all over.
  22. numlock macrumors 68000

    Mar 13, 2006
    not an option for everyone
  23. GadgetDon macrumors 6502


    May 11, 2002
    Actually, I smelled a rat with the quick turnaround. I wonder if the reason for removing everything from EPEAT was to force negotiations about being "flexible" for the Retina MBP and similar future devices. Both the Apple statement and the EPEAT statement talked about working together to "improve" the standard. Within a month, before there's been a chance to review the RMBP, there will be an announcement with tightened standards on in a number of areas where Apple is ahead of the standard - and buried in the fine print is weakening of some of the recyclability requirements.
  24. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier

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