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It doesn't matter what the classification of the laptop is...Apple said a while back that the ODD was going to go...and they were the first to make the big move of excluding it from a machine in the MacBook Air.

Just like they were the first to get rid of the floppy disc drive in the iMac. Everyone went crazy...

Apple innovates.

It doesn't matter if Razer made a 'pro' laptop without the ODD...they weren't the first to do it. Apple was with the Air and Apple basically laid the road map for everyone else.

Apple was by no means the first to exclude the ODD from a laptop. Ultraportables had been around for years before apple released the Air without ODD's.
 
Apple was by no means the first to exclude the ODD from a laptop. Ultraportables had been around for years before apple released the Air without ODD's.

I'm fairly certain they were just netbooks. If not, do you have an example? CBF looking.
 
I'm fairly certain they were just netbooks. If not, do you have an example? CBF looking.

The toshiba protege series for example, they were ultraportables,lacking ODD, in the same price range as the Air when it was first introduced ($1500-2000). And if I'm not mistaken they've also been around longer than the Aus EEE PC 700.

Those old utraportables however suffered from the same issues as the first air did, they were very expensive and the low-voltage processors at the time were not powerful enough.
 
Apple usually charges for the hardware, but absorbs some costs for software. Once you buy an Apple device, OS updates are either free or inexpensive (compared to other OSes). iWork and iLife apps are also cheap.

That said, they've been lowering hardware prices with their latest generations of MacBook Airs, so there's hope.

P.S. No point in calling Apple tax dodging since every commercial company is doing the same thing, so it's not unique.

I wasn't solely picking out Apple. I am fully aware that every big corporate company and their cronies are tax dodging. No need to jump to Apples defence. :p
 
I hope they don't bump up the price. Macs are expensive enough as it is... Either way though, I'm sure they'll sell like hotcakes! hi-res hotcakes...
 
Bad time to be increasing prices with the way the economy is right now.

What are you talking about? The rich and well to do are doing just fine. Sure there is massive unemployment in Europe, but it is mainly the working class and they don't buy a lot of Macs. In the US, same situation though unemployment is lower and the rich are even richer. Apple will sell plenty of these.
 
Of course the cost is going to be absorbed by the consumer. This is literally the price we pay for a leading edge technology until it becomes a defacto feature within the market and the competition. Being such a beneficial feature it makes news like this but really this is no different than any other trend changing gadget which is introduced into the mainstream by a company dedicated to pushing the art of making something state of the art.

This is basic capitalism - and be thankful it's a quality innovation this time, often the same principles apply to crap, useless "new" features or technologies that miss the mark.
 
I doubt Apple will eat the cost of the Retina display. My guess is they'll have an Ivy Bridge version with standard display at the current price, with the Retina option for $200 more.
 
Not gonna happen. If they go SSD, the storage options will not impress.

You could always use the crippled iCloud service.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a small SSD for the OS and apps, supported by a large HDD for mass storage. Speed and space.
 
Unless I missed earlier parts of the discussion (and to be honest, I didn't go past page 9 or 10 [starting from the last page]), you must be a huge, huge, huge fanboy to believe that Apple was the first to exclude the ODD from a laptop and that they're so innovative as to "lay the road map for everyone else"

So unless you were born the day the MBA was launched and don't know any better, do yourself a favor and research the Sony 505 series, the Sony X505, various netbooks over the last 5-6 years, and other assorted laptops and ultraportables over the last decade and a half. Too cute.

Someone quoted the Razor being made first. It wasn't.

As for the Sony X505...why did it take till almost 2012 for the ODD to start being removed from devices? Because Sony's X505 is a niche product/one of many of laptops from Sony

Now if Sony took the PS3, which is their biggest named item and decided to ship it without a blu-ray player and decided that all games would be DL only, THAT would be innovative because they are taking a big risk with a main product that defines them.
 
Not gonna happen. If they go SSD, the storage options will not impress.

You could always use the crippled iCloud service.

I was wondering what it would take to drive me back to Windows. Reducing the hard drive sizes at the time I'm having trouble keeping space on a 500 gig might tempt me.
 
And I guess my reaction is because I don't care at all about a retina display. I have a iPhone 4, my wife has a 3Gs, and when I look at her phone I don't recoil in shock and horror or anything. I don't mind the improvement but it's not a reason for me to upgrade. I'm waiting on the new MacBooks because I want newer processors and increased storage space. Display is fine as is.
 
Not including the drive anymore but selling it as a convenient $90 attachment is far more valuable, and most people do need an optical drive for install purposes - especially Adobe users; if they think Adobe will go though Apple's app store and give up 30% of each sale, then somebody is smoking some primo stuff, and customers will not want to see a 30% price hike either...

They (Adobe) don't have to go through the app store (although they just did with Lightroom) and they don't have to use optical media either. Many people (myself included) download and install their software (which they call ESD). Yes, CS6 Design Premium is only a 4.78GB download. Purchasing a single HD movie on iTunes can result in a larger download than that (example: Star Trek is 4.24GB just for the 720p HD file, then there's the SD version and the Extras).
 
Well there should not be any extra costs apple is prolly getting huge margin from mbp's already. That 100$ can easily vanish into the margins, plus it should be cheaper to assemble the whole laptop without dvd, even thought the dvd drive prolly costs only 1-5 dollars to make, without it the internal layout will be much much more simple.

I kinda hope they will use traditional hdd's, im pretty sure they will be easier to replace.. if its apple's own brand ssd's its not going to be same value.

Other manufacturers are just around the corner with their "retina" displays, so it would make sense for apple to charge extra now that they still can, especially after reading this forum many people would love to pay more margins :(
 
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I'm hoping for the ODD to be ditched, and the extra space to be used for a blade-style SSD like the Air (for OS and apps) as well as extra space for battery and graphics.

I'm also hoping the cooling fan/vents are refined....Not everyone uses their LAPTOP on a perfectly flat desk. Something about scorching air being vented into my thighs because I don't have my LAPTOP on a perfectly level surface just seems stupid to me. And about half of my macbooks seemed to have a faulty flow rate anyway; even with the fans screaming, hot air only trickled out of some while it blasted out of others.
 
I did post in the other thread in the MB Pro section on here, but if you measure the height of the ethernet port it is 1cm, and a drive like the Vertex 4 is 9.3mm, so it could very well be if they drop the ethernet port for a thinner design it also drops support for standard 2.5" drives and move to mSata or Blade SSD exclusively.

Otherwise again what's the point in dropping ethernet if the computer is going to be thick enough to support something else the same height.
 
I did post in the other thread in the MB Pro section on here, but if you measure the height of the ethernet port it is 1cm, and a drive like the Vertex 4 is 9.3mm, so it could very well be if they drop the ethernet port for a thinner design it also drops support for standard 2.5" drives and move to mSata or Blade SSD exclusively.

Otherwise again what's the point in dropping ethernet if the computer is going to be thick enough to support something else the same height.

Yup ...they'll probably move to 7mm HDD drives which are 500GB right now

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/wd-7mm-scorpio-blue/
 
Yup ...they'll probably move to 7mm HDD drives which are 500GB right now

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/11/wd-7mm-scorpio-blue/

Which limits what SSD you can use. No OCZ drive will fit for one! Samsung and Crucial will, Intel will.
But it's a shame as OCZ won't fit, also people with existing SSD's may find they won't fit in a 7mm standard.

Nope I am still not convinced Apple will drop the ethernet port, we shall see but I'm not convinced by this 'rumour'.
 
I wasn't solely picking out Apple. I am fully aware that every big corporate company and their cronies are tax dodging. No need to jump to Apples defence. :p
That just seems strange. Do you always prepend "tax dodging" before every company name in everyday speech?

"Oh, tax dodging Best Buy is having a sale on tax dodging Dell Latitude laptop today."
 
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