If THIS is true then everything may change..........
http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/17/new-macbook-pros-will-get-samsungs-830-series-ssd-too/
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Retina-Resolution Displays to Add Up to $100 to Apple's MacBook Pro Costs
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If THIS is true then everything may change..........
http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/17/new-macbook-pros-will-get-samsungs-830-series-ssd-too/
Yesterday, I did the math when seeing the rumor of iMacs eventually being released with retina displays to figure out what the resolution would be.
Had to dust off pythagorian theorem in my head to find dimensions based on a 16:9 aspect ratio, and a 27" diagonal.
Came up with a display measuring about 23.7" wide and 13.3" tall which would mean that at 300ppi would give you
7110 pixels x 3990 pixels, for roughly 28 million pixels.
Somehow, I don't see that being cost effective anytime in the near future.
Had to dust off pythagorian theorem in my head to find dimensions based on a 16:9 aspect ratio, and a 27" diagonal.
Came up with a display measuring about 23.7" wide and 13.3" tall which would mean that at 300ppi would give you
7110 pixels x 3990 pixels, for roughly 28 million pixels.
Somehow, I don't see that being cost effective anytime in the near future.
except...
"no dvd" does not subtract $100. it wasnt even a blue ray drive so dropping it would give you like $20... $30 at best. so $70 more to make up. not a big deal though. who wouldnt spend $70 more bucks on a display like that?
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what i would do is lose the optical drive (that had to go anyway) rather than upgrading to an ssd, why not a hybrid hard drive? that would save some and with the os on a solid state partition boot times would improve by quite a bit. if it was up to me i would lose the thunderbolt port... personally i dont need it but that would make a lot of people angry. cant wait to find out but i dont see the prices changing. I can make up the difference with my college student discount anyway.
"no dvd" does not subtract $100. it wasnt even a blue ray drive so dropping it would give you like $20... $30 at best. so $70 more to make up. not a big deal though. who wouldnt spend $70 more bucks on a display like that?
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what i would do is lose the optical drive (that had to go anyway) rather than upgrading to an ssd, why not a hybrid hard drive? that would save some and with the os on a solid state partition boot times would improve by quite a bit. if it was up to me i would lose the thunderbolt port... personally i dont need it but that would make a lot of people angry. cant wait to find out but i dont see the prices changing. I can make up the difference with my college student discount anyway.
As long as I can still pick up a basic 13" MacBook Pro wiht 8 gigs of ram for less than £1200 I can still afford it
Right after the upcoming official circus announcement I can already see myself getting at least one current 13 inch MBP, before they quickly disappear. Too many people (in America) are too gaga gadget happy and are not only willing to throw money away, they will also gladly camp all night on the street like a bunch of fools to get the new toy. If the buying populace was a bit more reasonable with their behavior and curbed the hysterical enthusiasm, the new macs would be sold at a much lower price.
I heard that a good while ago, so it likely changed 6 times since then. I just saw that the 17" is going, so keeping the 13" make sense. When I heard the 13" was going, it was going to be replaced with the MBA. I still don't regret my MBP purchase.
As was mentioned in here, 1280x800 is small. But I don't think the world itself is ready for retina displays. But at the same time it makes sense. It can't be easy for these developers to make apps in retina-quality if the computers they are making them on have low-resolution screens. Maybe if more computers go the way of retina, then the rest of the internet will follow suit. I can only hope that Apple resolves the retina screen issues that popped up when the new iPad came out, BEFORE these new Macs go on sale.
I think there view distance is off.
A normal desk is 600mm (24inch) push the iMac, or any LCD screen, to the very back and the screen face is 400mm (16") from the front of the desk, with good posture their eyes are going to be 50-100mm (2-4") from there.
So 22inch is viewing distance on a deep desk.
18inch would more likely be the common desktop viewing distance which would put Retina about 200dpi. Laptops could well be closer to 16inch which would be the 220dpi of the screens in the article. Problem is at 200dpi there seems to be some pretty big technical issues driving those screen sizes.
At 200dpi
Retina 17-inch display at 2880x1800
(still larger than DisplayPort DirectDrive can handle so thicker screen)
Retina 15.4-inch display at 2560x1600
Retina 13.3-inch display at 2240x1400
Retina 11inch display 1920x1200
iPhones are subsidized by the phone carrier when you go into a contract so you might not see a price increase. Obviously smaller screen size of iPhone then that of MacBook Pro/Air, smaller price.
I would like to place place bets on how many devices (in %) will come with tint-issues, rather speculating in how much the retina display will cost.
Color accuracy. CRT's have always had (still do, actually) superior color accuracy... it wasn't until LCDs got much better in that respect that they could be used professionally.
Also... the glassy surfaces weren't nearly as reflective as the (as mentioned, "mirror" glossy" displays on the LCDs. And they could be outfitted with hoods (and often were, in pro environments); try putting a hood on a laptop.
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To be fair, they're slot-loading DVD-RWs, which are more expensive than the standard. Also, laptop drives are more expensive than their desktop counterparts.. they're probably at least $50-60.
If memory serves me well there was a time when the Ti model had no CD burner and Apple would compensate it with a free external unit via coupon disbursements at the time of purchase. I am curious if buyers will get some free adapters i.e. TB to FW, if in fact this port becomes eliminated?
Saw this today: http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...s-retina-display-ivy-bridge-to-apple-redesign
"But PC makers are not going to let Apple take the lead in laptop displays without offering solid competition. The new 4K displays that will be available on PC's with Ivy Bridge will actually double the resolution of the Apple's retina display, with a pixel density of 4096 x 4096."
pixel density of 4K
Personally I think current high-res displays already look excellent, do we really need that big of a jump, especially 4k lol? Maybe I don't get the whole PPI issue in terms of laptops, but the current high-res antiglare already looks insanely awesome as well as the high-res screens of other laptops like the Envy line etc.
"But PC makers are not going to let Apple take the lead in laptop displays without offering solid competition. The new 4K displays that will be available on PC's with Ivy Bridge will actually double the resolution of the Apple's retina display, with a pixel density of 4096 x 4096."
pixel density of 4K
Personally I think current high-res displays already look excellent, do we really need that big of a jump, especially 4k lol? Maybe I don't get the whole PPI issue in terms of laptops, but the current high-res antiglare already looks insanely awesome as well as the high-res screens of other laptops like the Envy line etc.
Saw this today: http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...s-retina-display-ivy-bridge-to-apple-redesign
"But PC makers are not going to let Apple take the lead in laptop displays without offering solid competition. The new 4K displays that will be available on PC's with Ivy Bridge will actually double the resolution of the Apple's retina display, with a pixel density of 4096 x 4096."
pixel density of 4K
Personally I think current high-res displays already look excellent, do we really need that big of a jump, especially 4k lol? Maybe I don't get the whole PPI issue in terms of laptops, but the current high-res antiglare already looks insanely awesome as well as the high-res screens of other laptops like the Envy line etc.
Can't. How will you hook up these 4096 x 4096 displays. Both DisplayPort and HDMI 1.4 max out at about 3840 x 2400
Like the article said, the $100 add on won't be the issue. The prob will be the ssd's and the premium apple charges for them. Like $1k vs $200 from macsales. Worse, these machines will likely have imbedded ssd chips like the Air, so upgrades won't be as cheap /inexpensive - but still doable. Days of 9mm disk drive form factor are history
SSD Options
By removing the DVD the excess room will be sued for some extra battery to support the retina display.
The rest of the room will be used for 120/256 GByte of SSD PCB mounted for the iOS and applications. Then the rest of the room will be for a regular 500 GByte hard drive.
It will be a tight fit.
The new processors in the system will also free some PCB area up too.
By removing the DVD the excess room will be sued for some extra battery to support the retina display.
The rest of the room will be used for 120/256 GByte of SSD PCB mounted for the iOS and applications. Then the rest of the room will be for a regular 500 GByte hard drive.
It will be a tight fit.
The new processors in the system will also free some PCB area up too.
There're few more very important details that we probably won't know until the actual announcement:
- will those panel use true RGB layout or a PenTile crap?
- are they going to be TN?
People are relating the retina IPS screen of the 3rd iPad and rumored retina screens of the upcoming MBPs due to enormous resolution, but there're still quite high possibility of MBP line to stick with cheaper TN technology.
And I also like the point on available real estate. While many applications will definitely benefit from increased pixel density for displaying media content like photos/videos/text, it would always be nice to have smaller menu items and instrument panels. However I'm afraid that 3360x2100 (double 1680x1050) in a 15" size is simply too much to ask for at the moment.
- will those panel use true RGB layout or a PenTile crap?
- are they going to be TN?
People are relating the retina IPS screen of the 3rd iPad and rumored retina screens of the upcoming MBPs due to enormous resolution, but there're still quite high possibility of MBP line to stick with cheaper TN technology.
And I also like the point on available real estate. While many applications will definitely benefit from increased pixel density for displaying media content like photos/videos/text, it would always be nice to have smaller menu items and instrument panels. However I'm afraid that 3360x2100 (double 1680x1050) in a 15" size is simply too much to ask for at the moment.
Saw this today: http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...s-retina-display-ivy-bridge-to-apple-redesign
"But PC makers are not going to let Apple take the lead in laptop displays without offering solid competition. The new 4K displays that will be available on PC's with Ivy Bridge will actually double the resolution of the Apple's retina display, with a pixel density of 4096 x 4096."
pixel density of 4K
Personally I think current high-res displays already look excellent, do we really need that big of a jump, especially 4k lol? Maybe I don't get the whole PPI issue in terms of laptops, but the current high-res antiglare already looks insanely awesome as well as the high-res screens of other laptops like the Envy line etc.
That will just be marketing hype if they do. "Retina" is a display where the human eye can't resolve the individual pixels - at normal viewing distance, hence why the ppi value that is "retina" varies depending on the device - so once you reach that there is nothing to be gained, any increase in image quality will be undetectable to the human eye.
Prediction: Apple charges $200 for retina at launch, makes it free only 3 months later, and offers to give early-adopters a $50 App store gift card.
I'm thinking the same...
iPhone buy it outright price didn't change.
It has always been ~£500 for the 16GB versions.