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Macbookprodude said:
Thank you, I have a Mac Pro5,1 but i need a good proxy server app, whuch will allow me to browse the internet on the Pismo. I do some video editing and light photography plus office 2001 for word processing and writing resumes. But all I need is a good proxy server application to browse the web - to vent my anger at those who want to end old browser use, I downloaded Netscape to my Mac Pro and started using it. I even accessed my bank account using it out if anger towards google and Mozilla for their TLS totalitarian tyranny - it felt good using a “insecure browser” and I didn’t care last night - just wanted to fight them. To free the web for the people. Netscape’s philosophy was just that. Sadly, they lost to Microsoft.

I get what you are saying, but I don’t have Linux and I have no room for it on my Mac Pro. Even used Netscape last night to buy something - yes, I went to eBay and bought something using a “non-secure” browser because I felt like it. I was thinking of setting my Comcast to WEP - again to vent my rage at those who are harming the web !!!

They took from us what belonged to them. I have a right to use Classila just as someone who runs windows 2000 can use IE6.
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Well, you don't need a Linux machine to tunnel into a Pismo. Even your Mac Pro can tunnel into your Pismo if it is setup right. My Mac Pro 5,1 is setup to tunnel into my PowerMac G5 if I need to use Tiger or OS9. I guess I had moved on into 2020. Netscape and Classila were good then, but I now use Opera and Chrome and use them all of the time with a beefed up router security setup. My PowerMacs are securely sandboxed from the outside world that I sometimes use Classila to browse using my Wallstreet and get a kick out of it. At least my Wallstreet is sitting behind an Asus Merlin router firewalled through my Linux machine running a VPN. Telneting to sites; but it is behind a security router with a live malware/virus website detector running full time. That acts as a security gateway. 2 decades ago, I could forego with all those security measures with my Wallstreet. Not in 2020.

The internet in the past were much simpler, but as it became popular, it became more impersonal and complicated. I do miss the old internet, but having this forum still brings the goodness of what we had expect from how we share through the internet in the past.
 
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Well, can you provide me the steps to do this ? In protest against google account Mozilla, I have everything setup like it was 2000. I have no security because I simply dga* anymore ! I want wish death upon those who make us do all this.. but this is political and that in itself can lead to depression, so If you can please tell me what I need to do to bring life to my Pismo. Tiger is fine as I have TenFourFox and other browsers..

Thank you. I am desperate here, but I won’t give in to google or Mozilla - I will fight them till this security crap is gone.
 
Macbookprodude said:
Well, can you provide me the steps to do this ? In protest against google account Mozilla, I have everything setup like it was 2000. I have no security because I simply dga* anymore ! I want wish death upon those who make us do all this.. but this is political and that in itself can lead to depression, so If you can please tell me what I need to do to bring life to my Pismo. Tiger is fine as I have TenFourFox and other browsers..

Thank you. I am desperate here, but I won’t give in to google or Mozilla - I will fight them till this security crap is gone.
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Well, there are 2 ways to do it. Client or server.

Client: Mac Pro as modern browser server
Use your Pismo to tunnel into any modern machine using VNC Thing, which is a VNC client. When you want to browse more of the modern web, you can just VNC to your Mac Pro 5,1 setup for screen sharing and then basically control your entire Mac Pro using your Pismo.


Server: Pismo as classic OS9 server
Use your Mac Pro 5,1 to tunnel into your Pismo. Just the reverse using the Mac Pro to control the Pismo.

www.macintoshrepository.org

Vine VNC Server 3.5 for OS9 - Macintosh Repository

VNC Server 3.5 (a.k.a. Vine VNC Server) is a VNC (virtual network computing) compliant server. It is a remote desktop application based on the...
www.macintoshrepository.org www.macintoshrepository.org

If you use the client method; use Classila on sites that still support them though there aren't many of them and then tunnel to your Mac Pro and use the more modern browsers to go to sites that Classila won't support. You are still in OS9, but you have a window open to control your Mac Pro. The setup is pretty straight forward.

Hope this helps.
 
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RhianB said:
Wow just visiting the main url brings back some old memories, late night gaming sessions, cold pizza, goofy headsets, gamespy, Mplayer, MSNgamezone, public servers raging unending slaughter of helpless dialup players on the pubs and overheating beige boxes pushed to the brink. Good times. Thanks for sharing :)
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GameSpy.. the feels 😭
 
iluvmacs99 said:
Well, there are 2 ways to do it. Client or server.

Client: Mac Pro as modern browser server
Use your Pismo to tunnel into any modern machine using VNC Thing, which is a VNC client. When you want to browse more of the modern web, you can just VNC to your Mac Pro 5,1 setup for screen sharing and then basically control your entire Mac Pro using your Pismo.


Server: Pismo as classic OS9 server
Use your Mac Pro 5,1 to tunnel into your Pismo. Just the reverse using the Mac Pro to control the Pismo.

www.macintoshrepository.org

Vine VNC Server 3.5 for OS9 - Macintosh Repository

VNC Server 3.5 (a.k.a. Vine VNC Server) is a VNC (virtual network computing) compliant server. It is a remote desktop application based on the...
www.macintoshrepository.org www.macintoshrepository.org

If you use the client method; use Classila on sites that still support them though there aren't many of them and then tunnel to your Mac Pro and use the more modern browsers to go to sites that Classila won't support. You are still in OS9, but you have a window open to control your Mac Pro. The setup is pretty straight forward.

Hope this helps.
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And you know who caused Classila not to access them ? Why google of course and Mozilla because they don’t want us using good, though old browsers just so they can still control us.
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iluvmacs99 said:
Well, there are 2 ways to do it. Client or server.

Client: Mac Pro as modern browser server
Use your Pismo to tunnel into any modern machine using VNC Thing, which is a VNC client. When you want to browse more of the modern web, you can just VNC to your Mac Pro 5,1 setup for screen sharing and then basically control your entire Mac Pro using your Pismo.


Server: Pismo as classic OS9 server
Use your Mac Pro 5,1 to tunnel into your Pismo. Just the reverse using the Mac Pro to control the Pismo.

www.macintoshrepository.org

Vine VNC Server 3.5 for OS9 - Macintosh Repository

VNC Server 3.5 (a.k.a. Vine VNC Server) is a VNC (virtual network computing) compliant server. It is a remote desktop application based on the...
www.macintoshrepository.org www.macintoshrepository.org

If you use the client method; use Classila on sites that still support them though there aren't many of them and then tunnel to your Mac Pro and use the more modern browsers to go to sites that Classila won't support. You are still in OS9, but you have a window open to control your Mac Pro. The setup is pretty straight forward.

Hope this helps.
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It does help, but not quite - I want my Mac Pro to allow me to use Classila to browse 100 percent of the net, excluding YouTube.
 
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Halibabamindingu said:
For vintage web browsing, use this

Wayback Machine proxy

Hello guys, I just saw the https://github.com/tenox7/wrp which is a proxy that transforms websites into gifs giving you the possibility to open it in ancient browsers. That made me think, is there somehow a way to create a proxy that redirects me to waybackmachine? For example: www.fox.com...
www.vcfed.org www.vcfed.org

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/browse-in-the-past-with-proxy.2094221/ mac app
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DOES NOT WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I tried it and it does not work - even vintage safari did not work, what makes you think classila won't ?? I am getting really desperate here.. where on a mac DO i find the proxy server address ??????????/
 
Macbookprodude said:
DOES NOT WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I tried it and it does not work - even vintage safari did not work, what makes you think classila won't ?? I am getting really desperate here.. where on a mac DO i find the proxy server address ??????????/
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What a POS app !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 either its me, or its the app. The instructions were NOT NOT NOT very clear.. I am about to toss this pismo out the window and or destroy it in 30000000 pieces.. I WILL PAY SOMEONE TO HELP ME IF NEED BE.. PLEASE EMAIL ME - AM ABOUT TO GIVE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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@Macbookprodude Relax! All of us are upset about blown up web-pages, blown up video-size&compression and failure to pass the latest security mesures, which exhaust both soft- and hardware-capabilities of old G3 hardware and os9.
The old Macs simply cannot cope with the big chunks of web-trash or compressed video and there's no lobby to adapt software to the latest security-stuff.
It's not the time to become Don Quichote and fight the wind-mills but time to get used to cheating.
os9 is a fine piece of operating system and can be well connected and integrated into any newer network to get serious stuff done,
but the one thing not to do is, trying to use it primarily for browsing the web (even with Classilla) unless you want to fall into deep depressions.
It's simply like the Ford Model-T comparison as @eyoungren said.
If you have other capable Macs, @iluvmacs99 has described the easiest non-frustrating way to have fun with the Pismo (like I have with my Clamshell, iMacG3, Cube and TiBook): use os9, where it is at it's strengh and let the other machines provide you with the stuff, that needs more power:
- VNCthing (os9) on the Pismo/os9 for Screen Sharing and steering a more capable mac
- Transmit (os9) for FileSharing
- Goliath (os9) for webDAV
- NetPresenz os9-FTP-server to share files from the os9 to other divices.
etc ... (with links)
For wireless capabilities get a cheap wifi-to-ethernet-brigde.
I use a smartphone for accessing cloud-stuff like dropbox and an FTP-App to share files with my os9-machine.
So combined with a smartphone (mine is an old iPhone6s equipped with ifiles-app and an FTP-app) even the Pismo is capable to serve as a notebook-to-go.
It's more fun, to try finding ways of cheating and workarounds than to bemoan things, that won't be possible anymore...

And if anything fails, spend 120 bucks on a 2008/09 MB(P) and run @dosdude1 's patched Mojave and keep the Pismo for good old stuff ...

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The G3 Workstation Wiki!

Is your G3 feeling its age? Is it just taking up space? Why not turn it into a WORKSTATION? No internet allowed, because the web is just nasty to our old trusty G3s. :( Well, mostly no internet allowed, as none at all may prove impossible until later. Models to look for: Power Macintosh...
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I thank everyone for their help.. I think the only way for me to feel better is to ABANDON the pismo since I can't get even a simple windows proxy server under windows 10 to work right - the developer is russian and did not put any instructions at all. The last strongholds are my PB G4 1.67 and G5 of which are both running TenFourFox and Leopard Webkit which still renders everything 100 percent even I can play youtube at 1080p on it. The Pismo, for what it is though a very nice little laptop and because of the lack of proxy server software out there for a modern mac to allow me to browse FREELY on OS 9 does not exist, as its all for windows. and I don't have windows per say, except under emulation. I am retiring this whole thing. 150 dollars down the drain.. New M2 Msata on the way which will fit in the pismo - sadly, I won't be able to make use of this.. the only other thing to do is to install Linux and dump APPLE forever on the Pismo. OS 9 wasn't a failure, I WAS.. and the lack of good proxy software out there, A simple little thing which could make me happy has turned me enraged and upset beyond belief. But, i don't need this aggravation anymore. I have my PB G4 and G5 until tenfourfox and or leopard webkit go then those shall be retired as well.

I don't know who to blame - steve jobs, phil schiller ?? I am not sure anymore, all I know is I am upset and I can't get any serious work done like I want to. I could use the Pismo just for word processing, but what good is that ?

I am open to one last option - is there truly a web proxy (easy to set up), compared to the one on vogons.com which is HOSTILE to mac users nonetheless.

I am about to throw in the towel.. i DON'T NEED THIS. And on top of all this.. I need to file for unemployment which in itself is a nightmare to get through. I just want all this pain to end really.
 
Hmm, I cannot follow your conclusions ...
You have a G5 as a top of crowd PPC-machine.
And You have the DLSD for on the go.
And in addition the fine Pismo as a nice os9 machine.

With VNC-screensharing (VNCthing on os9) you'll have the G5 at your fingertips to browse the web.
Even if there were no new restrictive security hurdles, Classilla & the G3-chip wouldn't cope with the amount of junk, that "modern" internet throws at us and that doesn't make browsing a fun - even on friendly sites, like macintoshgarden.

With your Pismo you'll also have file access to the G5 via Transmit and other ways.
There's no need for any proxy server, since that would only work at home - an at home, there's the G5 and the DLSD anyway ...

If I'd like to choose my Clamshell/os9 (which is comparable to the Pismo) to come with me on the go, my equipment would be:
- a Smartphone for Mobile Hotspot, Cloud-access (Dropbox, iCloud, OneCloud, GoogleDrive etc.) and mission-critical websites, like banking etc.
- a (Vonets) WLAN to Ethernet Bridge (to get connected to the Smartphone)
- Classilla for IMAP-mail and "light"-browsing
- NetPresenz/os9 (to make the Clamshell an FTP-Server for file exchange with the Smartphone)
- Goliath for webDAV
That's good fun, making the old stuff still coping with a lot of tasks.
To be honest - currently this won't ever happen, since I like to tinker with the Clamshell/os9 at home but need more/additional features on the go (far beyond web-browsing) ...

When it comes to browsing the internet, them old G3s are a shovel - made to move piles of sand easily.
Todays bloated internet is a bunch of dunes ...
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Amethyst1 said:
What about putting it in the PB G4 instead, if that hasn't been given one already?
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Yep, the mSata is pretty versatile for both Pismo and DLSD.
(Actually I enyoy an mSATA on both my DLSD and the Clamshell ...)
 
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The Pismo has a G4 in it. I have no G3 Macs per day, though I do have the original G3 processor card.
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RogerWilco6502 said:
I just got an mSATA SSD and adapter for my iBook so I can enjoy SSD speeds on it ;)
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You think this will fit in the DLSD ?
 

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Macbookprodude said:
You think this will fit in the DLSD ?
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Most definitely! It's sized to a laptop hard drive it looks like, so I'm pretty sure it would work amazingly :D

Also, I'd really suggest you not give up on the Pismo. Even if it won't fit your needs as a web browsing machine, it could still do something else. I use my iBook in OS 9 as a writing environment, portable games machine, and even a way to make greeting cards and such. There's so much potential that doesn't rely on the internet, especially cuz the Pismo has USB ;)
bobesch said:
It's so much better: speeds things up. No clicking noise. And the iBook gets really sturdy and doesn't bother getting a bump ... (mine fell off the chair and that didn't do any harm on anything)
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Awesome! I look forward to not waiting for the drive to spin up xD
 
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Yeah real lucky :). I tried to email the developer of web one for instructions under Windows 10, there weren’t any.
 
Macbookprodude said:
The Pismo has a G4 in it. I have no G3 Macs per day, though I do have the original G3 processor card.
You think this will fit in the DLSD ?
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That's a different approach than my mSATA /w mSATA-IDE-converter, but basically it should work.
If that ssd+converter-card doesn't fit into the DLSD, it neither would fit into the Pismo.
 
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Macbookprodude said:
Yeah real lucky :). I tried to email the developer of web one for instructions under Windows 10, there weren’t any.
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But why bother with a proxy-server-app? You can only use it, when you're at home. And at home you've got your fine G5.
The Pismo, even with a superb G4-CPU can't beat the G5 at home, and it also cannot compare to the DLSD on the go.
So just enjoy the Pismo at any given occasion ... (so do I with my Clamshell).
 
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Amethyst1 said:
... and Firewire, which can be a lifesaver (TDM anyone?)
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Oh, yes! How could I forget about FireWire?? I used it to backup my machines just today :p
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bobesch said:
But why bother with a proxy-server-app? You can only use it, when you're at home. And at home you've got your fine G5.
The Pismo, even with a superb G4-CPU can't beat the G5 at home, and it also cannot compare to the DLSD on the go.
So just enjoy the Pismo at any given occasion ... (so do I with my Clamshell).
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Exactly! I sometimes use my Power Mac or iBook to do something that my Mini or my Power Mac (if I'm using my iBook) could do easier, but I do it because it's fun! :p
 
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If I were to use the G5 - its in a box currently.. what options do I have with it ? Yes, its Quad Core 2.5 which should handle even the internet nicely - Leopard PPC webkit the last I checked works find in rendering 100 percent. I haven't tried safari under Leopard, but I think its going to be like Tiger - not able to do anything. Finally, the PB G4 1.67 which also has Leopard webkit and a special Leopard install for PowerPC only. I just have a lot of love for Mac OS 9 though and want to use it for internet, but again.. we already went there. But, the pismo will be used at home, so a proxy server for it would be fine.
 
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