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If you think the iPad Air is a downgrade from the iPad 4 in any way, you are delusional. You are just trying to make yourself feel better about your own decision. My iPad Air blows your iPad 4 out of the water in every spec category that matters. Period. You want to stick to the iPad 4, that is your decision. That doesn't make the iPad Air a 'downgrade' in any frickin' way whatsoever.


Tell me how in the world this is a downgrade? In the same use cases, how is the iPad 4 better than the iPad Air?

The iPad Air has recompiled apps for it's 64-bit processor that use up more RAM. The iPad 4 and iPad air are both equipped with the same amount of RAM. In some instances, (switching between apps and safari tabs) the iPad 4 is faster than the iPad Air because of this.

OP has a valid point and is actually contributing valuable input for those who are deciding whether to upgrade from the iPad 4 to the Air.
 
The "one" thing for me between my Air a 4 is the structural integrity. I'm slightly concerned about accidentally bending or breaking my Air because everything is so much thinner on it. Examining the demo unit at best buy, I could easily flex it in a twisting motion. Durability is definitely a downgrade. I'm fully aware that it's a byproduct of the significant reduction in weight. Just like the iPhone 4/4s to the 5/5s (people have been accidentally bending their 5/5s). Having said that, I'm happy with my air except for a BSOD that happened once. Gonna keep an eye on that.

You could easily flex the Air? I'm calling BS on that. I have one in front of me right now and there is ZERO flex in the device.
 
Why do people post these threads? Why should we care about your pointless reasons for returning it?

There are starving people in this world and people are complaining about lack of RAM in their iPad.
 
So give me ONE example where the Air is a downgrade from the iPad 4.

Just one.

Memory

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I'm not trying to split hairs, but price is not a downgrade.

Double the CPU and GPU and the reductions in size and weight ARE dramatic. But let's not get hung up on details.

ONE downgrade. In FEATURES.

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RAM is the same? How is it a "downgrade"? Because of the 64 bit nonsense? :confused:

Wow. Ok.

Because you can take a 32-bit app, recompile it to 64-bit (which all updates from now will be) and it will consume 20-30% more memory. You cannot run the same amount of apps at the same time.
 
OP has a valid point and is actually contributing valuable input for those who are deciding whether to upgrade from the iPad 4 to the Air.
Sounds like Apple could have put 64GB of RAM and completely eliminated the bezels and it still wouldn't have "changed his usage pattern" because there is no way to fit a freaking 9.7" screen into his jacket or pants.

IMO, nothing wrong with that, but if that's the #1 objection, then railing on about "lack of RAM upgrade, 64-bit apps requiring 20-30% more RAM, etc" in an attempt to justify the return of a device that doesn't meet his needs for an entirely different reason (size) does nothing to help people deciding to whether to upgrade from the iPad 4 to the Air.

If anything, it helps people who are stuck between deciding to get an Air or a Mini.

It's still heavy to not change my usage pattern.
So, I'll be getting a Retina Mini instead, at least then I get the real benefits of portability instead of feeling like I got a downgrade in some ways as well.
Weight and size are not a huge reduction with a case on it. It still weighs enough and it's still too big. The bezels should be more in line with the Mini.
The lighter, thinner, smaller - is good and all, but doesn't change anything about the iPad usage. It still gets heavy and still too big to shove into jackets or pants.

All of the technical issues the OP has with the Air are null and void when packaged into a device that fits in his pants/jacket. :eek:

I'm buying an iPad Mini Retina, as that would actually change my usage pattern by being able to take it with me everywhere and is a significant upgrade to the existing mini.
 
I will be returning my iPad Air and keeping my iPad 4. I'm on my 3rd iPad Air that has a screen that is uniform and without obvious flaws, but is yellow in hue. My iPad 4 has a beautiful bright white screen. The difference in speed is not really noticeable for me in surfing the web which is primarily what I use it for. While heavier it is not uncomfortable for me to use and feels solid. I eagerly anticipated the arrival of my iPad Air and wanted to love it but can't justify giving up my iPad 4 with a gorgeous screen for an air with a screen that isn't as good. It's all about the screen.
 
RAM and cost is the only real one. I'm finding my apps are getting kicked out of memory much more often and tabs are reloading much more often.

Kind of makes me want to get a Surface Pro and have everything loaded in memory and never need to constrained by 1GB of memory.

I could keep my iPad 4 and get a Surface Pro w/ 64gb and 4GB of Ram for $800 (10% off student discount), or a decked out 256gb/8GB RAM one for $1179.

Almost as much as the iPad Air cost (64gb + smart case). The Surface doesn't even need a Smart Case cause it's got a kickstand built in.

Its not the iPad Airs fault that you can't afford it. I had the 4 (well, still do, gave it to my eldest Son) but the iPad Air is MUCH faster in every task I use my iPad for. I don't give a crap about the weight reduction as I never found the iPad 4 to be heavy but it does feel nicer to hold.

I also have a Macbook Pro (I'm on it now) and a 27" iMac and iPhone 5, looking forward to the release of the Mac Pro and a couple of 4K displays. Im covered on all fronts.
 
Why do people post these threads? Why should we care about your pointless reasons for returning it?

There are starving people in this world and people are complaining about lack of RAM in their iPad.

Yeah, yeah - we know, there are starving infants in the world everywhere. Sucks, but there isnt anything I can do about it. Its not our fault that we have 1%-er problems & are successful but thats the way it goes. These threads are very helpful since there IS a valid decision to be made for many of us regarding whether to get the Air or a refurbed 4th gen or stay with what we have.

Honestly, Im quite tired of the posts where everyone acts like we should feel guilty about having iPads or whatever. Too bad. I suspect most of those complianing arent exactly behaving like St. Francis of Asisi themselves so lets chill with the "You guys and your 1st world problems". We are here to discuss iPad issues & concerns. Thats it.

We got 1st world problems and I dont care if it seems trivial versus whats happening in some foresaken 3rd world country somewhere. There, I said what had to be said. ;)
 
Double GPU - I think there's only a 40% improvement in GPU actually. And there is 0 user experience improvement here. Games won't really take advantage of it forever and iOS 7 is still laggy.

If you look at the Anandtech review of the iPad 4, you will see that the iPad 4 shows more details in the textures and graphics.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/5

It didn't take forever for that to happen so it won't take forever the Air to have improvements in gaming.

Whether that matters to you is irrelevant to the fact that the iPad Air's GPU will show benefits sooner than later.

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Why do people post these threads? Why should we care about your pointless reasons for returning it?

There are starving people in this world and people are complaining about lack of RAM in their iPad.

And here you are making antagonistic posts on MacRumors...

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Short answer of it is that the only benefit I'm seeing from the iPad Air is faster browser load times and WiFi speeds. It's lighter, but doesn't change anything. It's still heavy to not change my usage pattern.

Drawbacks are there - memory management really. Yes, if they upped to 2GB of RAM, I wouldn't feel like I was spending $800 on a step back.

So, I'll be getting a Retina Mini instead, at least then I get the real benefits of portability instead of feeling like I got a downgrade in some ways as well.

The Retina Mini will not have an advantage over the Air RAM-wise, to avoid feeling ripped off you should buy a non-retina Mini. It will be even lighter than the new one.

You can get one for a smoking deal.
 
Ahhh, the "footprint". Are you referring to the Anandtech review?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9

"In general you’re looking at a 20 - 30% increase in memory footprint when dealing with an all 64-bit environment."

Ok. How about

"...the device’s total memory usage never exceeded 60% of what ships with the platform"

"Applications being evicted from memory don’t tend to be a huge problem since the A7 can reload them quickly."

The "footprint" of 64 bit apps is a non issue, especially when the A7 wipes the floor with the A6X. Sorry, try again.

Did you read through the entire article? Apple is doing great things on the backend with memory management.
 
Double the CPU - no actual user experience improvement - I don't do any serious number crunching, iMovie, iPhoto or anything like that. Only Safari loading is faster but not dramatically.

Double GPU - I think there's only a 40% improvement in GPU actually. And there is 0 user experience improvement here. Games won't really take advantage of it forever and iOS 7 is still laggy.

Weight and size are not a huge reduction with a case on it. It still weighs enough and it's still too big. The bezels should be more in line with the Mini.

So you don't do any serious work yet you're considering a Surface Pro 2? Read zhenya's post because it's spot on. I had and ultimately returned my Surface Pro 2 because of pretty much everything he states. It's a mediocre laptop replacement and terrible tablet--a device full of compromise with an identity crisis. And if you thought the reduction in size from the iPad 4 to the iPad Air was insignificant, you love the brick-like weight/shape of the SP2.

I have a Surface Pro for work, an ipad 4 and ipad Air at home. I really struggle to find a good use for the Surface. It's just not a good laptop replacement (I have perfect vision, and I struggle with the screen in desktop mode). It's an even worse tablet replacement. It's incredibly heavy. 16:9 is just an awkward resolution for a tablet. Battery life is mediocre, and while it resumes from sleep very fast for a Windows device, it's still dog slow by ipad standards.

All that extra horsepower doesn't come into use for the tablet, and despite it, most of the touch apps are buggy and missing features. There is no good browser for touch world. IE can't sync settings from anywhere else, so it's the only device I have where the web browser doesn't keep my settings and bookmarks. Scrolling is nowhere near as smooth as on my ipad, nor is app switching. The only good app I've found so far is One Note, and it's only by the grace of God I haven't lost that stylus yet.

Personally, a great laptop plus an ipad is a far better option. That's why I've ordered a Thinkpad T440s as a replacement.

I'm kind of in the same boat. I returned my iPad Air in favor of keeping my 4 or replacing it a Surface 2 or the Galaxy Note 2014. I think it's an absolute crock that apple would limit the amount of RAM to 1GB.

As I mentioned, I tried out a Surface Pro 2 and returned it. I also test drove a Note 10.1 (2014) for 3 weeks and ultimately returned it as well, in favor of an iPad Air. The Note 10.1 is much better at it's job than the SP2 but still suffers in a few key areas. The hardware, while not a thin, light, and solid feeling as the Air, is a pretty close 2nd. It only weighs about 60 grams more, has an great high-res display and the 'faux leather' actually has a nice soft touch feel that makes it comfortable to hold.

The problems with the Note 10.1 pretty much all involve software. TouchWiz, while an improvement over what I used on the Note II, is still the cartoonish, bloated, laggy mess it's alway been. The My Magazine feature, which has the potential to be great, is the worst culprit of lag, though I found it to varying degrees though out the device. And it's also the poster child for why more RAM isn't alway better. You'd think with 3GB of RAM you'd kiss lag goodbye but TouchWiz is so over bloated and lacking optimization--just turning on the device and opening the App management in Settings would show 1.7-1.8 GB of RAM already in use, before I even got started using anything.

And it may not matter to you but the Note 10.1 also suffers from a bluetooth keyboard connectivity issue--tried 2 different keyboards and both would repeated lose connection every 30-60 seconds. When it did stay connected, would lag horribly. Browse over at XDA or Android Central and you'll see it's unfortunately a common problem in need of a software fix.

App quality is also still an issue on Android tablet. I know it's almost cliche to say so but all it takes is real world comparison to see it. And I'm not talking about obscure apps from small-time developers--Dropbox, Yahoo and ESPN sports, ESPN and Yahoo Fantasy football, Zinio, DirecTV, Weather Channel, Urbanspoon, Open Table, Bank of America, even GMail all offer varying degrees of differences on the iPad vs. Android tablets.

IMO, the Note 10.1 is a generation away from being a great device. If Samsung could just dial back the urge to throw any feature they can think of into their devices and actually focus on optimizing their software, they could have a real hit on their hands.
 
You could easily flex the Air? I'm calling BS on that. I have one in front of me right now and there is ZERO flex in the device.

Call it what you like but it's pretty easy to flex the Air. I didn't twist it 10 degrees or anything because I wasn't trying to break it, just a little because it felt less solid than my iPad 4 and I found that it does flex relatively easy. If I left my Air on a sofa and someone sat on it, I'd be surprised if it didn't bend or break. If the same happened to my iPad 4, I'd be surprised if it bent or broke.
 
Call it what you like but it's pretty easy to flex the Air. I didn't twist it 10 degrees or anything because I wasn't trying to break it, just a little because it felt less solid than my iPad 4 and I found that it does flex relatively easy. If I left my Air on a sofa and someone sat on it, I'd be surprised if it didn't bend or break. If the same happened to my iPad 4, I'd be surprised if it bent or broke.

Yes I am calling it BS. Let's see a photo or video of you bending the Air.
 
Yes I am calling it BS. Let's see a photo or video of you bending the Air.

Couldn't care less what you call it and there will be plenty of pictures of peoples bent Airs soon enough. I'm just going to be careful not to leave mine on the sofa. :)
 
Yes I am calling it BS. Let's see a photo or video of you bending the Air.

the_last_airbender17.jpg
 
tbayrgs, That's the type of info I was looking for. I just sold my iPad 4 on eBay and was seriously considering both of those devices but everything I read was exactly what you described. And your right, the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 could be a great device but the software kills the experience. It amazes me this company throws 3GB memory in this device but the bloatware and TouchWiz kills it.
The iPad Air still appears to be the only game in town.
 
Why do people post these threads? Why should we care about your pointless reasons for returning it?

There are starving people in this world and people are complaining about lack of RAM in their iPad.

Let's give starving people an iPad Air! That will solve most of the problems people face including starvation!
 
I have an Ipad 3 w/ 16GB of memory. I was planning on upgrading to the Ipad Air but now I'm torn between getting an Ipad Air 32GB for $600 and a Ipad 4 128GB for $619.99.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE393LL/A/refurbished-ipad-with-retina-display-wi-fi-128gb-white-4th-generation


I mostly use it for PDF's, photo editing and internet.

Price?

The guy owns an iPad 4 that he has to sell at half the cost that he paid last year. But if he returns the iPad Air then he gets all his money back.

So it sounds like the new slogan will be "iPad 4, the iPad for cheap or poor people. Anyone else buy the Air"

Oh, and RGC1981, there is a big improvement in PDF handling, photo editing (like Snapseed) and Internet on the Air when compared to the 4.
 
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I'm sorry iPad 4 owners, I don't mean to sound mean. If your device fits your needs, then that's fantastic. But to describe the Air as a "downgrade" is incredulous. You can tell youself what you want, but for the reader trying to decide whether to buy your used iPad 4 or spring the extra coin for a new iPad Air, let's recap.

28% lighter
20% thinner
24% less volume
2X wifi speed
64 bit vs 32 bit
2X CPU
2X GPU

These may be worth it for most to upgrade. If these are not enough reasons for you to upgrade, don't. I'm sure the "new" iPad Air next year will have even more reasons. But please, don't call the Air a "downgrade" from the iPad 4. Even here that just sounds silly, not to mention inaccurate and misleading.

Lol dude...why take such offense? If someone doesnt like it and calls it a downgrade...so what? Its just an ipad
 
Its not the iPad Airs fault that you can't afford it. I had the 4 (well, still do, gave it to my eldest Son) but the iPad Air is MUCH faster in every task I use my iPad for. I don't give a crap about the weight reduction as I never found the iPad 4 to be heavy but it does feel nicer to hold.

I also have a Macbook Pro (I'm on it now) and a 27" iMac and iPhone 5, looking forward to the release of the Mac Pro and a couple of 4K displays. Im covered on all fronts.

Whoa...watch out for this baller
 
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