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Do you think it is solely a size enhancement or do you think this new dock connector will provide additional features (such as faster data speeds)

my "2 cents".

By changing the dock connector NOW it better.

by not going with the industry standard Micro-USB, They need to provide some sort of technical reason why the new Dock connector is necessary outside of forcing users to buy new accessories again.

If it doesn't support USB 3 / Thunderbolt, as well possibly HDMI output and a few other tech's, than Apple has once again proven that they make technological changes for the sake of money, and not innovation.
 
It'd be cool if they made like a magnetic charging dock connector (that attached to the aluminum similar to the iPad smart case), or one that lit up a tad at night. Therefore, at night it'd be less cumbersome to charge the Phone/iPad.
 
The rest of the mobile world has moved away from Proprietary connectors for data transmition and charging. Virtually every Device these days (with some exceptions) uses micro USB.

Why can't apple just conform to an industry standard without the need to define their own every single time?

This has nothing to do with innovation. This is purely a way to create a definate cutt off between new accessories and old accessories, While ensuring your other 3rd party generic USB accessories are also unusable.

I understood when the doc connector came out all those years ago why they did it. the Micro USB standard wasn't quite mainstream and a full USB port was way too big and not usable in the way they wished to build in accessories.

But today there's no excuse for it other than closing off their product line from using thigns not specifically designed for it.

Bad form apple. This is why lots fo people aren't liking you lately and why the competition has been doing so well.

Mechanically, micro USB is frail in comparison to the current dock connector, and more difficult to align. It's only good traits are ubiquity, low cost, and small size.

If the the next iPhone has this rumored connector, I would expect that it will be superior in all ways to micro USB save cost and size, which to me would be an acceptable design compromise.
 
I am almost certain that this is a part for a chinese knockoff. Since there is no separate "backplate", the back should not only contain the Apple "logo" and the name "iPhone" but also some regulatory text on the back as well. So that is missing. Also, the "iPhone" is in the wrong font and the wrong kerning.

There may indeed be a new iPhone 5 with a taller display coming out but I doubt it will have a new dock. The idea that they shrunk it just to move the earphone jack seems suspect to me.

The entire design does not look very "Apple" to me. It looks like a knockoff.

Have we all forgotten the previous times when someone showed a "part" and it turned out to be a part for a clone?

I am also bothered by the inconsistent sizes of the grills and the size of the grill holes.
 
Time to move on.

Yes and who knows if this is just Apple getting ready to light up someone's walking papers for talking to reuters anyway.

otoh if they're making a smaller connector slot so as to free up some room for the coffeemaker circuitry? Well it's about time!
 
Headphone jack on the bottom?
I'm not looking forward to this. I believe it would be more cumbersome.

(didn't realize someone else wrote a very similar reply)

As someone that went from the iPod Touch to the iPhone, it felt completely weird having the headphone jack on top as opposed to the bottom. Still feels weird to me to have it on top...
 
I am almost certain that this is a part for a chinese knockoff. Since there is no separate "backplate", the back should not only contain the Apple "logo" and the name "iPhone" but also some regulatory text on the back as well. So that is missing. Also, the "iPhone" is in the wrong font and the wrong kerning.

There may indeed be a new iPhone 5 with a taller display coming out but I doubt it will have a new dock. The idea that they shrunk it just to move the earphone jack seems suspect to me.

The entire design does not look very "Apple" to me. It looks like a knockoff.

Have we all forgotten the previous times when someone showed a "part" and it turned out to be a part for a clone?

Wouldn't a knock-off require an existing product to fake? Since there is none and there are several leaks including the front glass, it gets more and more likely. There was even a longer battery out there that would not fit into any existing device. That battery is no knock-off, is it? Well, I guess we have to wait until more parts leak. we will get a better picture of the whole thing by then. Just my thoughts on the back pannels: It is a heck of a lot work to make that just as a knock-off. Usually, they try to make them cheap - i.e. plastic back instead of glass...

Actually, if you refer to the Teardrop iPhone from last fall, there was never any part. Just renders. The renders could have very well been from an early prototype and then cloned by case makers. Once a case maker makes that render, you can't tell what was first: The render from Apple or the render from the case maker...
 
Apple is going backwards by using the same design aspect from the 4 and 4s.

I think this is a huge trick. Watch when the new iPhone is released, it will be totally different.

Taller screen and headphone in the bottom doesn't cut it. I bet a lot of people will jump to google.
 
Mechanically, micro USB is frail in comparison to the current dock connector, and more difficult to align. It's only good traits are ubiquity, low cost, and small size.

If the the next iPhone has this rumored connector, I would expect that it will be superior in all ways to micro USB save cost and size, which to me would be an acceptable design compromise.

as I said, the original dock connector made a lot of sense, and since virtually every single apple cmpatible accessory uses it, is virtually a standard of it's own.

Suddenly changing it in shape and size to a completely new proprietary format needs to have a very good excuse. Some task it'll do that was completely impossible on the old one.

the dock connector is very adjustable. I have no doubt that if they wanted to keep the same connector and go USB3 they could have.

So why the change in form factor? Is it purely to force people to rebuy accessories? is it for some real good technological reason we've yet to hear? what is it?
 
I don't think I'm over estimating the ignorance of people at all, and I think you're comments are bordering on offensive, please stick to the subject matter, petty derogatory comments will only undermine your argument.

When I speak to friends of mine (yes shock horror I do have some friends) with an iPhone and they see my phone, 8 times out of 10 they have no idea what it is, even when I tell them the name and the operating system it runs. When I show them the phone and what it can do, most of them say they'll consider switching when the time comes. So yes, I would say many people are ignorant of the capabilities of other phones.

Now here's the key point, the reason they are ignorant isn't necessarily their fault. The Google marketing machine is poor at best, so the information just isn't out there for the average person that has little time to devote to their next smart phone purchase. Keeping abreast of the latest and greatest phone is not top of everyone's list.

When Apple brought out the first iPhone is was truly revolutionary and changed the market forever. I remember the first time I used it, it blew me away. Now, imagine someone that got an iPhone during this time period or saw someone else who had. It's streaks ahead of anything else at the time. But like most people they're not really interested in the goings on in the smart phone market as time passes, their phone works well and that's all they care about. Why not just get the next iPhone when it comes out. So yes, I do think most iPhone buyers are ignorant to the competition, why else would anyone now buy an iPhone, but I certainly understand the reasons for their ignorance.


How about this? You don't know anyone's reasons for staying with the iPhone except the people you talked to. Personal experience with a few people does not make you an expert on why people like their phone.

Here is my reason for staying. I already have a Mac and an iPad so my phone plays nicely with the ecosystem I am already in. Plus a lot of apps accumulated though the years (between having an iPhone 4 and a 3G). I am happy with the iPhone and I have no serious complaints about it. I have my seen or heard any killer features of android that makes me jealous. So why would I change from something I know I already like and already have a lot invested in something to an unknown when there is nothing in the unknown that seems like I really need all that much. Maybe it is better but I already know the iPhone does what I want/need. So unless either apple ****s it up or android finds some killer feature otherwise I really have no motivation to change and a lot of motivation to stay.
 
Apple should just make it a micro-USB, now that they are adept at putting standard ports on the Retina MBP (HDMI, USB 3). Didn't the EU mandate that all phones sold needed to connect (or charge) via micro-USB or the manufacturer must provide an adapter free of charge? This would be one way to bring the cost down further (and keep the margin higher) by using a standard jack like this....proprietary connectors are so 1986 (ADB, anyone?)

Although I like that idea, too, I find the micro-USB connectors to be a serious PITA to use. Versus the current 30 pin socket, micro-USB is fiddly to seat quickly and without scraping everything around it. Perhaps it would just be matter of deepening the plug and rounding the edges, but in any case I don't think Apple wants to invite such "apparent" interoperability into their iOS ecosystem. If it's a micro-USB plug, everyone will try it with everything, and that's just a lot of "no" that Apple would have to deal with.
 
It is easy to see why SCSI is a bad idea for the iPhone 5. But what is wrong with the current adapter? I hope Apple comes out with triangle USB ports on the next model, so I can blame all naysayers for not embracing change and being too cheap for adapters.

I wouldn't complain if it was actually a step forward, like moving to micro-USB 3 or ThunderBolt or anything else that is standardized.

The problem with the current connector is that its too big. Apple can make the battery bigger by reducing the size of the connector. That's why Apple is fighting so hard to reduce the size of SIM cards too. Every mm of space is crucial. It's all about fitting more in the same space.
 
How about this? You don't know anyone's reasons for staying with the iPhone except the people you talked to. Personal experience with a few people does not make you an expert on why people like their phone.

Here is my reason for staying. I already have a Mac and an iPad so my phone plays nicely with the ecosystem I am already in. Plus a lot of apps accumulated though the years (between having an iPhone 4 and a 3G). I am happy with the iPhone and I have no serious complaints about it. I have my seen or heard any killer features of android that makes me jealous. So why would I change from something I know I already like and already have a lot invested in something to an unknown when there is nothing in the unknown that seems like I really need all that much. Maybe it is better but I already know the iPhone does what I want/need. So unless either apple ****s it up or android finds some killer feature otherwise I really have no motivation to change and a lot of motivation to stay.

Well said. I for one bought an Android phone, the Galaxy S3, solely for 4G. That was the "killer app" I needed, along with a decently capable phone. Silly thing is that now I keep two phones in my pockets. However, if the next iPhone has 4G, I'll be back to one.
 
Nothing wrong with progress at all. If they can have a dock connector do the same as the current one, then why not. They can easily put out an adapter from new to old.

However I don't like how convoluted the Apple selection of devices is becoming, in essence we'll see 3 branches of mobile device

"Legacy"
iPhone 3gs, has ios 6 but limited features and now the old dock.
iPhone 4, more features than the 3gs on ios 6, old dock.
iPad 2, no siri on ios 6 and old dock.

"Legacy connector but full OS"
iPhone 4s, all the features of ios 6, new dock.
iPad 3, all features of ios 6, old dock.

"New Connector and full OS"
All of the features:
iPhone 5 or whatever
iPad mini (If it exists)
iPad 4

This is not really much different than any other electronic device that gets upgraded.
 
Is that a freaking joke? you mean all the accessories that i have bought would be obsolete soon? Way to tell people to use Android instead, Apple!

EU, millions of customers: Apple, you use a proprietary connector that is large, change it and support USB of some sort.

Apple: OK, we'll do that!

Millions of customers: Now my old accessories aren't compatible. Why did you change it Apple?
 
Hopefully my 3GS can live through October for iPhone FIVE.
(I don't care what it's called, I just like to get on the nerves of OCD nerds)
 
Oh gee, that looks about the same dimensions as microUSB! What a long meandering route they've taken round this proprietary ports nonsense.
Being different for the sake of being different doesn't make superior or cooler products - it just makes Apple look like clowns - and is bad for customers and the environment to boot.
 
Apple is going backwards by using the same design aspect from the 4 and 4s.

I think this is a huge trick. Watch when the new iPhone is released, it will be totally different.

Taller screen and headphone in the bottom doesn't cut it. I bet a lot of people will jump to google.


The far safer bet is that millions of people will get the new iPhone.

I've no clue what the next one will be like, but my extra cell line is qualified for an upgrade and it will get that new iPhone.

Apple collects grumbles from all sides whenever it releases so much as a sheet of paper, but still laughs hauling its take to the bank.
 
The headphone jack on the bottom makes a lot more sense. I never understood why it was on the top, it requires you to bend the cable over the back of the phone when it's plugged in. My iPod has it on the bottom, and as it's an exclusively multimedia-oriented device (instead of a smartphone), it's much less cumbersome to just plug it in, slide the iPod face down into my pants and listen to music. Also when you slide it out from your pants, the wire doesn't get in the screen's way.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE - MICRO USB ABSOLUTELY CAN CARRY SOUND AND VIDEO AS WELL AS DO TV OUT. It can literally do everything the 30 pin connector can do except maybe charge as quickly.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE - MICRO USB ABSOLUTELY CAN CARRY SOUND AND VIDEO AS WELL AS DO TV OUT. It can literally do everything the 30 pin connector can do except maybe charge as quickly.

and for the last time IT CAN NOT DO IT DIRECTLY. It requires the some other pretty big work arounds and requires a additional hardware/software in the receiving end.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE - MICRO USB ABSOLUTELY CAN CARRY SOUND AND VIDEO AS WELL AS DO TV OUT. It can literally do everything the 30 pin connector can do except maybe charge as quickly.

microUSB is crap for anything other than simple USB connection and you know it. It is not meant to carry sound OR video, for that you use HDMI which is standard nowadays (for HD, for SD use composite or component) - or for iDevices, use the dock connector.
 
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