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The only thing which bothers me in this design is the asymmetry on the bottom. I think the 4/4s design is one of the most beautiful things Apple ever engineered and this new bottom with headphone jack, asymmetric speakers and smaller dock looks clunky and amateurish.

They should put 2 headphone jacks on the top then?
 
Im not debating whether or not its crap or whether or not it can do it directly. The point is it CAN be done. And theres several people in this thread and plenty of others saying that its not possible.
 
as I said, the original dock connector made a lot of sense, and since virtually every single apple cmpatible accessory uses it, is virtually a standard of it's own.

Suddenly changing it in shape and size to a completely new proprietary format needs to have a very good excuse. Some task it'll do that was completely impossible on the old one.

the dock connector is very adjustable. I have no doubt that if they wanted to keep the same connector and go USB3 they could have.

So why the change in form factor? Is it purely to force people to rebuy accessories? is it for some real good technological reason we've yet to hear? what is it?

In 6 months we'll all be lamenting on how huge and clunky the "old dock connector" was.
 
It's nice to see that Apple is releasing it's death grip on the ugly, absurdly large dock connector. This new smaller size is more in line with Apple's typically attractive designs.

They improved the power adapters on the mbp's, why not on the iphone as well.
 
Is that a freaking joke? you mean all the accessories that i have bought would be obsolete soon? Way to tell people to use Android instead, Apple!

The 30 pin dock connector has been around since the original iPod in 2001. I for one am happy that Apple is changing the standard to be much more compact because they have to do it some time or later. Not to mention, 1. If they provide an adapter all your accessories are fine. 2. If you switched to android you would be replacing your accessories anyways.
 
Isn't that exactly what MHL USB is for? Not that Apple will adopt that either.

Thanks, I hadn’t heard of that. It looks interesting, but this is just one of the uses that Apple can make of the extra pins. Firewire is another (unlikely in the new iPhone, but would be nice).

It’s telling that even Samsung, when implementing MHL USB on the Galaxy SIII, chose to use their own custom 11-pin connector. Until the smartphone market settles down a bit, it’s difficult to see a one-size-fits-all standard pleasing everybody.
 
Really?

Digitimes once again stating the blatantly obvious mixed with a whole lot of exaggeration!
 
Oh gee, that looks about the same dimensions as microUSB! What a long meandering route they've taken round this proprietary ports nonsense.
Being different for the sake of being different doesn't make superior or cooler products - it just makes Apple look like clowns - and is bad for customers and the environment to boot.

Do you have any insight why Apple decided to have their own hook up?

Like:

Maybe they didn't want to pay any license fees?
Maybe their adapter does a few things others don't?

If you don't have any details other than ragging on something (ANYTHING from anybody, not just Apple), you do not know what you are talking about!
 
I'm very happy to see a new smaller dock connector. The large one of the years past is due for retirement. I am sure Apple will be glad to sell adapters though for 39.99 when it costs apple .99 cents to people just to make sure everyone is happy (and has a lighter wallet).
 
The 30 pin dock connector has been around since the original iPod in 2001. I for one am happy that Apple is changing the standard to be much more compact because they have to do it some time or later. Not to mention, 1. If they provide an adapter all your accessories are fine. 2. If you switched to android you would be replacing your accessories anyways.

While I think changing the connector physically 11 years on is perfectly fine, not all accessories will be fine. Some that require a perfect size match, such as car docks, will probably have trouble.

But still, we're talking about a plug that needed changing a while ago. I have a couple of docking devices I bought a few years ago that don't charge my iPhone at all, so it's obvious that the internals have changed. I'm hoping this physical change will mean an adoption of Thunderbolt and/or USB 3 so more power can flow through the cable.
 
All fine by me... its progress. The only thing I use the dock connector for here is to charge the device.

I can however see a few issues arising with existing equipment using the old dock connector, but I'm sure there will be many adaptors available shortly after launch, if not before.

Exactly, I embrace this change.
 
Do you have any insight why Apple decided to have their own hook up?

Like:

Maybe they didn't want to pay any license fees?
Maybe their adapter does a few things others don't?

If you don't have any details other than ragging on something (ANYTHING from anybody, not just Apple), you do not know what you are talking about!


How about this: they are going to do something involving the new 100W over USB power delivery (PD) spec that was just approved by the USB 3 promotion group. Finally, an Apple USB cable (PD spec?!) worth taking out of the box...
 
That's not the point. Yes, Android is fragmented and you need a new accessory with every phone. The point is, that the only thing causing people to cling on to their outdated iPhone is the tie is to accessories and the eco system. Take one of those away and the cost of moving is less.

Now that Android (Phone and OS) is streaks ahead of Apple, more people will jump ship.

Apple releasing a new dock connector doesn't prevent people's outdated cables from still working, so the tie to the ecosystem isn't severed. If someone were to switch to Android, all of their previous dock connecting devices would be incompatable, but if they upgraded their iPhone they would only need to buy one adapter. The cost of upgrading an iPhone + adapter is still significantly less than buying all new products.
 
How about this? You don't know anyone's reasons for staying with the iPhone except the people you talked to. Personal experience with a few people does not make you an expert on why people like their phone.

Here is my reason for staying. I already have a Mac and an iPad so my phone plays nicely with the ecosystem I am already in. Plus a lot of apps accumulated though the years (between having an iPhone 4 and a 3G). I am happy with the iPhone and I have no serious complaints about it. I have my seen or heard any killer features of android that makes me jealous. So why would I change from something I know I already like and already have a lot invested in something to an unknown when there is nothing in the unknown that seems like I really need all that much. Maybe it is better but I already know the iPhone does what I want/need. So unless either apple ****s it up or android finds some killer feature otherwise I really have no motivation to change and a lot of motivation to stay.

Even better - you don't have to justify your personal phone choice to anyone. Someone who would sit back and proclaim the rest of us ignorant simply because we make choices he doesn't agree with is at best, ignorant himself.
 
as I said, the original dock connector made a lot of sense, and since virtually every single apple cmpatible accessory uses it, is virtually a standard of it's own.

Suddenly changing it in shape and size to a completely new proprietary format needs to have a very good excuse. Some task it'll do that was completely impossible on the old one.

the dock connector is very adjustable. I have no doubt that if they wanted to keep the same connector and go USB3 they could have.

So why the change in form factor? Is it purely to force people to rebuy accessories? is it for some real good technological reason we've yet to hear? what is it?

Maybe it has escaped you somehow but have you noticed that the new dock is smaller? Providing more space, something that is crucial in mobile devices.
 
my "2 cents".

By changing the dock connector NOW it better.

by not going with the industry standard Micro-USB, They need to provide some sort of technical reason why the new Dock connector is necessary outside of forcing users to buy new accessories again.

If it doesn't support USB 3 / Thunderbolt, as well possibly HDMI output and a few other tech's, than Apple has once again proven that they make technological changes for the sake of money, and not innovation.
Yeah I'm sure Tim Cook lays awake at night thinking of ways to screw people over and get more money out of them.
 
actually it's a plus for me, as I walk with my phone it keeps the lead out of the way hanging down... so cool
 
I’m just fine with this too. We have cars with iPhone integrated HUs, but the cable can either be adapt-er’d, or it’s actually modular (so USB>AppleDock) so I figure it can just be swapped out. We have an older speaker dock, that doesn’t charge our phones, so we use it via cable (or BT module) and all our other devices and services: AVR, AppleTV, sync’ing, speakers are all wireless (WiFi or BT).

Otherwise, I look forward to potential speed and feature improvements (USB 3.0?) with the new interface, size reduction for improved device design, and +hopefully+ an improved connection “feel”.
 
But...

Is that a freaking joke? you mean all the accessories that i have bought would be obsolete soon? Way to tell people to use Android instead, Apple!

But your accessories would still be obsolete then. At least Apple will provide an adapter for you.
 
and for the last time IT CAN NOT DO IT DIRECTLY. It requires the some other pretty big work arounds and requires a additional hardware/software in the receiving end.
microUSB is crap for anything other than simple USB connection and you know it. It is not meant to carry sound OR video, for that you use HDMI which is standard nowadays (for HD, for SD use composite or component) - or for iDevices, use the dock connector.
You guys actually want to use the DAC in the iDevices? I try to avoid it. USB would require different systems in peripherals, true. But in terms of sound, it should really be possible to offer better sound if USB is used. Many accessories already do this, using the digital output from the current dock connector and using their own DAC. As I recall, that made them more popular. I'm thinking the Zune or some other competitors couldn't do this easily?
They should put 2 headphone jacks on the top then?
No, no. The power button should have LOOKed like a headphone jack.
 
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