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Puts Leopard Release Into March

If true, then combined with the pressure of the April 16 NAB deadline for the Leopard dependent FCS 6 to be announced Leopard almost certainly must be released in March.
 
Update: While Apple's upcoming events page does not list MusikMesse, it does appear as though Apple has rented out three boths at the event.

Spelling correction: three booths. :)
 
xkey on logic

apple please, please, please find another way. dongles on a laptop get broken, again and again.


and again.
 
Right now, I don't see Apple getting into the native hardware game; there are other products that do things VERY well (RME, Metric Halo, even MOTU). The Apogee partnership is where the PT-killer will come from.

I went to a Logic seminar about a year ago, and they were pushing the future Apple/Apogee partnership pretty hard with Apogee rep in tow.

The ball seems to have been dropped a bit since then, but hopefully with a Logic redo, we'll see something interesting soon.
 
Leopard

this would be great, cuz it would mean that Leopard would be released then or earlier! i hope it's true!:apple:

Very good point! This is great news all around..... really looking forward to a Logic upgrade... will miss the name, however....
 
Forensics

If true, then combined with the pressure of the April 16 NAB deadline for the Leopard dependent FCS 6 to be announced Leopard almost certainly must be released in March.

Yes, as the elements draw closer together, all evidence points in favor to a March release - YES!
 
Logic

You beat me to it! If anything, Logic is like the Windows of the music world: you can do anything, but it's not very friendly.

It is a best of friends by comparison to Logic of E-Magic, before Apple acquired it - much friendlier now....
 
That all just pisses me off. If you're going to announce something, don't have a huge event to announce it'll be out in 5 months... and then delay it a month 2 days before it's due to ship.

Sheesh, Apple doesn't get a break. When they "don't comment" on new products, people waiting to buy feel screwed when they buy something right before it gets updated. When they comment on upcoming products, people ask "why is it delayed?"
 
Logic 8 or new Soundtrack?

Logic is a good product that can be improved by improving the UI. There are a lot of us that care more about MIDI than pure Audio Editing. I seriously doubt anyone takes PT at all seriously when it comes to MIDI. Having said that Digital Performer kills Logic when in comes to film scoring. And Adobe Audition kills Soundtrack when it comes to audio editing in the spectral domain.

The real app that needs to be rewritten then is Soundrack, which basically sucks. I really doubt Logic would get renamed. With a better UI it would already be a PT killer. But making a new version of Soundtrack that could double as a PT killer and an elegant solution for inclusion in FCS would make total sense.

And there would be no better way to start with the multitouch screens, even if it is just a start.
 
Anyone else find it strange that three booths are reserved for Apple Computers Industries, LTD. when they probably won't be talking specifically about a computer and their name is now just Apple, Inc.?

That's weird...
 
A friend, of a friend, of a friend etc. etc. assures me that Logic is being re-named to Garageband Pro...

Ill get my coat>>> Whoosh!!!

But seriously, we need a major overhaul - As much as I love Logic (switching from PC+Windows+Cubase SX3) It does seem a little dated now.
 
Logic is a good product that can be improved by improving the UI. There are a lot of us that care more about MIDI than pure Audio Editing. I seriously doubt anyone takes PT at all seriously when it comes to MIDI. Having said that Digital Performer kills Logic when in comes to film scoring. And Adobe Audition kills Soundtrack when it comes to audio editing in the spectral domain.

The real app that needs to be rewritten then is Soundrack, which basically sucks. I really doubt Logic would get renamed. With a better UI it would already be a PT killer. But making a new version of Soundtrack that could double as a PT killer and an elegant solution for inclusion in FCS would make total sense.

And there would be no better way to start with the multitouch screens, even if it is just a start.

While STP is painfully in need of updating, Logic needs to be revamped to "pro tools killer" status as well. Apple needs an app that does both killer midi and audio recording and editing, especially now that PT has had huge improvements on the midi side.

I'm hoping that the next version of Logic is a combination of the two programs, making STP unnecessary if you have Logic. If apple wants to keep improving STP for video guys at that point, that's fine but I'd no longer use STP or care about it.
 
Anyone else find it strange that three booths are reserved for Apple Computers Industries, LTD. when they probably won't be talking specifically about a computer and their name is now just Apple, Inc.?

That's weird...

Possibly. But a) the reservation was probably made before the name change. 2) It was made (apparently) by Apple's Irish branch (read the "more info" section on the Musikmesse site). So it may be nothing more than the fact that it's in Europe.

PS: I want to throw my two cents in behind Mr Skills analysis--I bought Logic shortly after 7 came out, and was immediately taken aback by how Windows-like its interface is, and how unnecessarily complicated certain functions are (Arpeggiator?). A serious interface overhaul, plus improved audio handling would be most welcome, more so than more software instruments at this point.
 
PS: I want to throw my two cents in behind Mr Skills analysis--I bought Logic shortly after 7 came out, and was immediately taken aback by how Windows-like its interface is,

This could be because the program was originally a windows program? Logic has been around a long time: http://logic-users.org/

All major film composers and studios use Logic. Anyone working with samples and scoring in LA uses Logic. This is more of a major application out there than most people think. It has overtaken the Digital Performer sequencing crowd.

For the people saying that Pro Tools is more Mac like- I couldn't disagree more. Pro Tools looks like a crappy Windows 95 sort of interface. Even the latest version. And the 'open' and 'save' etc. boxes with Logic are EXACTLY the same ones as Final Cut Pro. The 'pro Mac' sort of look. Among other things.

Pro Tools' main focus is hard drive recording. And it is perhaps the best at this. Logic's focus has been and is music creation and midi sequencing. Though midi is getting better on the Pro Tools side, and of course Logic can do all things audio.

So there is an overlap today on what these programs can do. But hasn't always been this way (Logic vs. Pro Tools). Who here remembers when Pro Tools was considering dropping midi altogether? That wasn't so long ago.

It's clear that Pro Tools has been feeling the heat from Logic. They are bragging about a new sampler to be included. (Which Logic already has). And same for Digital Performer: they were feeling the heat, and recently released all sorts of new synths and such with their latest version, to compare with Logic's included stuff.

Logic is bigger in the audio world that most of you think.
 
If Final Cut Studio can run without one, certainly Logic ought to be able to!

You forget that the music guys are the ones stealing music from everyone :rolleyes:
Why would they pay for software if they didn't need to?:(
/am an audio engineer
//pay for my software
///learned to use slashes on fark.com
 
This could be because the program was originally a windows program? Logic has been around a long time: http://logic-users.org/

Indeed - I started on Logic 4 in Windows.


For the people saying that Pro Tools is more Mac like- I couldn't disagree more. Pro Tools looks like a crappy Windows 95 sort of interface. Even the latest version. And the 'open' and 'save' etc. boxes with Logic are EXACTLY the same ones as Final Cut Pro. The 'pro Mac' sort of look. Among other things.

When I say Pro Tools is more Mac-like, I'm talking about so much more than just buttons and boxes. It's the whole ethos; the whole experience. Think about what Apple are famous for. While other people keep adding features, thinking that "more features = more value", Apple tread a different path: they think about the actual experience of using the program. Logic is the opposite of the normal Apple philosophy: bulging with features, but bloated and often unnecessarily complex. Pro Tools feels like people have sat down and beaten their brains out to find the simplest way of doing something. Logic feels like they've sat down and gone "let's add more stuff!".

Not that it's what I was talking about, but I do also think that the basic look and feel of PT is more mac-like too (er... menus in the window title-bars?). I love Logic, I use it every day but as I said before, I also curse it every day. Had it been designed from scratch by Apple there is simply no way it would work anything like it does - for better or worse.

Pro Tools' main focus is hard drive recording. And it is perhaps the best at this. Logic's focus has been and is music creation and midi sequencing. Though midi is getting better on the Pro Tools side, and of course Logic can do all things audio.

I respectfully disagree that Logic can do all things audio. I am typing this reply in between loading up Melodyne and Pro Tools so that I can import audio and do stuff that Logic can't. If Logic did all things audio, it would save me so much time! Also, what it does do in audio, it generally does in a slower less intuitive way - all those little details that Apple would have worked at had it been their own app.

So there is an overlap today on what these programs can do. But hasn't always been this way (Logic vs. Pro Tools). Who here remembers when Pro Tools was considering dropping midi altogether? That wasn't so long ago.

Actually, it's the other way round - there was no MIDI at all in Pro Tools until about 5 years ago. Since they added it, they have only kept increasing its' capability. It is still nowhere near Logic, but it is probably closer to Logic on MIDI than Logic is on audio.

It's clear that Pro Tools has been feeling the heat from Logic. They are bragging about a new sampler to be included. (Which Logic already has). And same for Digital Performer: they were feeling the heat, and recently released all sorts of new synths and such with their latest version, to compare with Logic's included stuff.

Fair point - PT does feel the heat from Logic's huge wealth of included stuff. But I believe Logic feels the heat from Pro Tools' user experience.

Logic is bigger in the audio world that most of you think.

I don't think anyone's doubting how big it is. The audio world is full of people using Logic. But most of them enjoy a good bitch about it. :D
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For the people saying that Pro Tools is more Mac like- I couldn't disagree more. Pro Tools looks like a crappy Windows 95 sort of interface.

Logic is bigger in the audio world that most of you think.

Logic is a fantastic application and it's fan base is massive but it's neglected.

It was painfully neglected when Apple bought Emagic. All Apple have done since is bundle every synth and plugin that emagic offered separately...if you compare the last PC version to the current one you'll find 'freeze' is about the biggest difference.

No point in denying it - It needs a ground up rebuild. It needs an Apple makeover and if courage is lacking for fear of 'offending' Logic users and a weak variant is released then Logic will find itself on the slippery slope to Cakewalk-ville...

I can only assume that the engineers have been working on this 'revolutionary' new product cos Steve wouldn't have bought them to simply squander their legacy...

I agree entirely with Mr Skills - PT is VERY mac like in form, function and philosophy. It's an incredibly effective production environment, indeed I'm struggling to wonder how Apple is going to better PT7.3 without scrapping Logic and starting again...
 
All Apple have done since is bundle every synth and plugin that emagic offered separately...if you compare the last PC version to the current one you'll find 'freeze' is about the biggest difference.

That's not really true, since they were taking code from a third party, updating for intel probably required some major rewriting. It's unfortunate that work had to go into that and not improving the program, but it's work that had to be done.

Not to mention that 8 (or whatever it is called) has been underway for who knows how long. It's not that apple has done nothing, it's that they've showed nothing to customers.
 
Honestly, I'm preferable to Digital Performer myself. I have tried Logic before, and it was too hard to use, and Pro Tools has too many restrictions in the LE versions (which is what I can afford). Digital Performer doesn't limit anything, and provides an intuitive way to get the job done in my opinion.
 
apple please, please, please find another way. dongles on a laptop get broken, again and again.

There are certainly disadvantages to dongles, but I can also think of 2 big advantages, off the top of my head
1) I can use Logic on multiple computers - for example if I am working on a studio's/client's computer or laptop that does not have it, I just need to bring my dongle along.
2) Thousands of Native Instruments users know the kind of gut-wrenchingly annoying reliability problems that can ensue when a software-based protection-system does not work properly. At least when a dongle breaks I know what the problem is and can get it replaced. I have NI plug-ins that have been down for *months* and I'm very, very far from being the only one. (Of course, you could say this is more an indictment of NI than dongles).
 
There are certainly disadvantages to dongles, but I can also think of 2 big advantages, off the top of my head
1) I can use Logic on multiple computers - for example if I am working on a studio's/client's computer or laptop that does not have it, I just need to bring my dongle along.
2) Thousands of Native Instruments users know the kind of gut-wrenchingly annoying reliability problems that can ensue when a software-based protection-system does not work properly. At least when a dongle breaks I know what the problem is and can get it replaced. I have NI plug-ins that have been down for *months* and I'm very, very far from being the only one. (Of course, you could say this is more an indictment of NI than dongles).

At this point, isn't Logic the only Apple app that still uses copy protection beyond serial numbers?

For users, there's an even bigger advantage if they just go to serial numbers like their other apps. FCS is more expensive but isn't copy protected.
 
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