Reverted to Tiger from Leopard

[CalBoy]

I've never had a problem of anything freezing. I've noticed a lot of people that have problems with most operating systems install a bunch of stupid programs which start screwing everything up.

Bingo!

I just installed Leopard on the MacBook Pro I just bought (inadvertently delivered without the advertised Leopard install). I also have Leopard on my Mac Pro. In both cases I just followed the default install path - no archive, no erase, just install...no problems at all--both machines running smoothly. I've had Leopard on my Mac Pro since the day it was released. No glitches, no freezes, no crashes...works great.

Lovely, but that doesn't prove anything. I don't use random programs and yet I've had this keyboard problem (and some problems getting the darn thing to wake up and keep some apps running).

It's great that you haven't had any problems, but please don't assume we don't know how to use a computer. Pointing out that Leopard has problems isn't going to make Apple collapse. If Apple wants to maintain its "it just works" slogan, it better be ready to handle problems, however minor, that people have.

 

[gikku]

I've had the keyboard and touchpad "freeze" on a 15"PowerBook G4, twice.
The Desktop icons not appear on a 12"PowerBook G4 and iMac G5, several times, but a different user on the same iMac G5 not experience these issues.
The Dock icons not appear/disappear (open/close app) on a 12"PowerBook G4.
All very strange. Leopard is a disappointment after Tiger, but I'm not going back just yet.
🙂

 

[Sdahe]

Right now I'm back to Tiger and I will stay with it for a long time.... Tried Leopard for some time and I'm going to wait for all the updates to come...

 

[Hmac]

Lovely, but that doesn't prove anything. I don't use random programs and yet I've had this keyboard problem (and some problems getting the darn thing to wake up and keep some apps running).

It's great that you haven't had any problems, but please don't assume we don't know how to use a computer. Pointing out that Leopard has problems isn't going to make Apple collapse. If Apple wants to maintain its "it just works" slogan, it better be ready to handle problems, however minor, that people have.

Hard for me to grasp. As I said, Leopard does "just work" for me. Sorry it doesn't work for you, but rather than making me assume that the problem is with Leopard, it makes me wonder instead what you are doing that's different from what I'm doing.

 

[djellison]

Must be a MBP issue.

I've seen reports of it on MBP's, MB's, PB's running clean installs, upgrades, archive and install - every combination of hardware, install and experience.

I've had it on this MB with both an upgrade, and a brand new totally clean onto new HDD install.

It's a genuine Leopard problem.

Doug

 

[KingYaba]

I preformed a simple upgrade and my Macbook Pro runs smoothly. A few minor glitches but nothing to worry about.

 

[lavrishevo]

Did a battery recalibrate last night and then let charge all day... when I woke the MBP up the keyboard worked to type in my password but after that it did not. I rebooted and everything has been fine since then but I can testify that it happened to me.

 

[CalBoy]

Hard for me to grasp. As I said, Leopard does "just work" for me. Sorry it doesn't work for you, but rather than making me assume that the problem is with Leopard, it makes me wonder instead what you are doing that's different from what I'm doing.

Why do I have to be doing something different? Computers are hardly ever consistent. I just didn't appreciate how you implied that it was somehow my fault. 😉🙂

 

[Sdahe]

Actually running Tiger now in my MBP and is working sweet... Leopard had nice features but I'll have to wait for now. Tiger's dock animation is now very smooth... nice!!!

 

[chelsel]

Tiger working perfectly, will look at Leopard again this summer.

Agreed. The MacBook Pro that we reverted back to Tiger is working flawlessly. Once Leopard was gone the computer is operating exactly as it should. We might revisit Leopard in the middle of '08.

 

[panzer06]

No Leopard for me either - and I'm not alone

Better dig up a fire proof suit - that won't be well received here. 🙄

But yah, once I get my external drive fixed up - I'm going to throw Tiger back on. Leopard does not have enough for me to justify discarding Tiger.

I feel too much was taken away for "benefits" of Leopard - but the "benefits" are not of use for me. What was stripped from Tiger on the other hand, was useful.

There are plenty of people who haven't moved to Leopard. I have no intention of upgrading until all my OS X applications work well under Leopard.

I am also very disappointed a Bootcamp option wasn't made available to Tiger users. I would have gladly paid $20-$30 just for that and then moved to Leopard with my next Mac hardware purchase.

I do not like the concept of being "forced to move to Leopard" if I want driver updates. So far my Bootcamp install works well with all my business apps and DirectX games so I don't think the 31 December deadline will mean anything to me.

Cheers,

 

[CalBoy]

Speaking of mouse jumping, my trackpad refused to work for the past twenty minutes. No rhyme or reason to its jumping...was forced to restart.

I wonder how I'm using my mbp "wrongly" 🙄

 

[Cooknn]

I installed Leopard 3 times. First did an upgrade and had problems (system hangs, force quit didn't work, etc), then I did an archive and install. Same problems. My third effort was a clean install to a second internal hard drive. Much to my surprise the install app' asked if I wanted to restore files and settings from my previous Time Machine backup. It was a beautiful thing. My users, app's, settings - everything, came over to my fresh install. So far, very few problems.

What does that tell me? That Apple has lost its touch with regards to the installation routines. You can't freaking blame it on the end user! There are three simple choices and they should all 'just work'. That's supposed to be the advantage of buying into a closed system. When I see the new commercial about people downgrading to XP from Vista, I just laugh. I tried to go back to Tiger, but for whatever reason my disc wouldn't boot, so I just did the clean install thing. Glad I did, actually. I really dig Spaces and Time Machine. Stacks I can do without...

 

[benpatient]

let's see...

erase and install on a 2.0 macbook c2d.

keyboard freezing occasionally. Occasional mail lock-ups or crashes.

complete destruction of my old dock folder navigation with no workable alternatives.

TM won't work with my gigantic external hard drive because leo's new disc utility with "on the fly" partitioning can't partition anything except HFS+ without wiping the drive.

When I get a separate drive for TM, i discover that accidentally deleting a file on day 2 of apple's arbitrary 7-day time period that constitutes a "week" for a weekly backup means that the file is erased forever. Maybe they should remove the 2 minute section of the leopard guided tour video where dude does the exact same thing and recovers the file with TM, because it only works if you happen to accidentally delete things at exactly the right time of week.

public paid beta indeed.

(typing this in safari 3 on my freshly re-Tigered macbook...with a perfectly non-freezing keyboard.

The worst part for me was that I saw the new Apple commercial with the PR lady and "PC" "upgrading" to XP for the first time about 6 hours after I'd finished wiping Leopard from my macbook's hard drive.

fail.

 

[cannylass]

cannylass

I am very happy with Leopard but my husband is having trouble with it on his G4 Powerbook, only because he cannot work with his Nikon Raw File converter and Capture 1 Raw File Converter so he wants to go back to Tiger until Nikon solves their problem (apparently, Nikon is still working on this problem). So can anyone tell me how to remove Leopard and re-install Tiger?

 

[heatmiser]

My kind of thread. I switched from XP to Tiger because I didn't want to deal with the looming banshee of Vista. Apparently, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Vista's equally obese sibling, Leopard, seems to be having her way with the equivalent beta-testers in OS X land. No thanks. I've got as much desire to move from Tiger to Leopard as I did to move from XP to Vista. Other people can play guinea pig for Microsoft/Apple (two heads, same coin). I'll stick with the fully functional operating systems in the meantime (XP, Tiger).

 

[panzer06]

I'll stick with the fully functional operating systems in the meantime (XP, Tiger).

QFT!

 

[ZenErik]

The only problems I've experienced in Leopard are in this Firefox 3 beta 2 that I'm using. I'm pretty sure it's because it's a glitchy beta, not Leopard's fault.

 

[panzer06]

The only problems I've experienced in Leopard are in this Firefox 3 beta 2 that I'm using. I'm pretty sure it's because it's a glitchy beta, not Leopard's fault.

What about all the apps that either don't work or require a costly upgrade? We can't switch until we can afford CS3. No likely anytime soon. CS2 works fine, why should we switch at all?

Just because Leopard works for some doesn't everyone needs to upgrade. There can be significant barriers (third-party app upgrade cost is a big one) beyond the initial Leopard purchase.

Cheers,

 

[Teh Don Ditty]

I did a clean install...

I always seems to lose connection to my Airport Extreme whenever I wake from sleep or whenever I do a cold boot. I never had this problem in Tiger. I haven't experienced the freezing KB and I hope I don't.

When I watch a movie in QT (Full Screen), the dock decides to pop up and see what's going on. Rather annoying.

Finder is glitchy and occasionally hangs along with Safari.

FTR: MB CD 2.0GHz, 2GB Ram... before somebody says it must be my fault.

 

[ZenErik]

What about all the apps that either don't work or require a costly upgrade? We can't switch until we can afford CS3. No likely anytime soon. CS2 works fine, why should we switch at all?

Just because Leopard works for some doesn't everyone needs to upgrade. There can be significant barriers (third-party app upgrade cost is a big one) beyond the initial Leopard purchase.

Cheers,

I haven't had that problem with any of the software I use. I use plenty of recording software. As for being able to afford things...Torrents. 🙂

 

[Hmac]

Lovely, but that doesn't prove anything.

I agree, the fact that I've had no problems proves no more than the fact that you have. I mention my experience merely as a counterpoint to yours. Free exchange of experiences and all that. I'm sure Apple won't collapse because of glitches in a new OS, so I find nothing threatening in the negative experiences of other early adopters. Likewise, you shouldn't take offense if others post experience that is counter to yours.

 

[panzer06]

I agree, the fact that I've had no problems proves no more than the fact that you have. I mention my experience merely as a counterpoint to yours. Free exchange of experiences and all that. I'm sure Apple won't collapse because of glitches in a new OS, so I find nothing threatening in the negative experiences of other early adopters. Likewise, you shouldn't take offense if others post experience that is counter to yours.

I'm sure much of the different experience factor can be traced to the different uses we have for our Macs and therefore all the different applications and peripheral hardware (drivers) we use. Just look at all the network and/or wireless issues people are still complaining about. While the Leopard adoption rate (% of outstanding Mac OS X units to be upgraded) is significantly better than Vista, there are still plenty of Mac users waiting for additional stability patches and application fixes. It's going to take some time for Leopard to become as stable and usable as Tiger is today.

Just like many Panther users saw no reason to move to Tiger at launch, many Tiger users will not move until there are compelling reasons to do so.

Those who haven't switched either can't or won't because of some application or financial issue associated with migrating. Doesn't mean Leopard is hopelessly broken or the best thing ever.

Cheers,

 

[BlakTornado]

Seems like Apple got its Vista...

No, no, no. If Apple had a Vista, it wouldn't have seeded 10.5.2 to developers, let alone release 10.5.1 to the public.

Look, Microsoft hasn't even released SP1 for Vista publicly yet and it's almost been a year.

Most Leopard bugs will probably be ironed out by around April.

 

[cannylass]

cannylass

Well it seems the forum is mostly used by those whining about Leopard and no one has come up with constructive solutions so I solved my problem myself. Put Leopard and Tiger both on - Tiger on the external hard drive. Works fine. Can do the photographs without hitches. Won't post any more problems here - absolutely no help.