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Review: 2022 Jeep Wagoneer Offers Wireless CarPlay and Up to Nine Screens

Just more stuff to break and fail. We lost something when we started glueing on computers and gizmos onto vehicles.
 
I own a fully loaded 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit, which is the luxury version of the Jeep, that has about 130,000 miles on it. Last year I went on a solo cross country trip and drove just over 11,000 miles in a few weeks. I haven’t had many mechanical issues at all with the Jeep.

I will say one thing though. I will never ever waste my money on the luxury version of the Jeep again. The quality control is so lacking. There were so many QC issues on my Jeep that they should be embarrassed for themselves. Never again.
 
I can’t wait for AppleCar packages to be installed… Big quality Car Control center (iPad / Tesla’s big display)… And of course Apples navigation system… and it’s coming to Toyota’s first :3 I’m excited for the RAV4 w/ Apple Car
 
It uses internal combustion, which means that its resale value in 2026 will be near zero. Even if you think you're not going to want to sell it at that point, you need to wonder where you're going to buy gas soon after 2026. By the time EVs reach 10% of the market (before 2026) gas station owners will know for certain that spending a million dollars or more to replace aging tanks is a bad investment. Instead, they'll just close their pumps.
 
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btrach144 said:
$100,000 on a Jeep? LOL

And that name. Wut?
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It's really just a "Jeep" in name only. This vehicle is based on the Ram "DT" platform, much the same way Ford and GM's larger offerings like the Expedition and Suburban are based on their 5th generation pickup truck platforms.

I've owned both Ford and GM's 4th generation pickup truck offerings and have been a full size pickup truck owner for over 20 years. The DT platform is without a doubt the absolute best pickup I've ever owned or driven. I currently own a 2020 Ram. The interior is levels above the competition and better than most cars I've driven lately (I drive a lot of different cars at work). Road noise is minimal, and the suspension improvements particularly the changes to the stabilizer bar design and multi link coil spring rear suspension make this thing a pleasure to ride in on the highway and the back roads. The ZF transmission (used by the likes of Audi, BMW, Bentley, and Porsche) shifts great and is well suited to this application. Cold start performance is poor, IMHO however as the shifts can be a little harsh

It's no wonder Stellantis is selling a ton of these trucks, they really are head and shoulders above the competition in every way.

The Wagoneer name and Jeep brand are good marketing for this vehicle. The segment it targets (Gen X'ers with reasonable success and families) has nothing but fond memories of the Wagoneer name and are Jeep's target demo.


They will sell a lot of these, Stellantis will make barges of cash off them, and people are just gonna love them.
 
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“Hey, Billy, stop chatting on your phone and look at something on the built-in personal screen with AirPlay...”
 
Madhatter32 said:
Buick and GM are ranked 4th and 5th by JD Powers. Lincoln is rated above BMW. What's your point?
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You're not seriously bringing up JD Power awards? You know those are completely bought and paid for? They are worthless. Fiat could win the reliability awards just by handing over the cash.

Consumer reports is a much better gauge of car quality and reliability.

Porsche And Genesis Sweep Top Spots In Consumer Reports Reliability Rankings - AutoSpies Auto News

Porsche And Genesis Sweep Top Spots In Consumer Reports Reliability Rankings
www.autospies.com www.autospies.com

Porsche number 1, above Lexus and Toyota (which are both very reliable brands). If you have driven any of the latest Porsche's you'd know their build quality is staggeringly good. GM and Ford are way down the bottom of the rankings, near to Land Rover which, funnily enough, has been flawless for me besides some infotainment glitches.
 
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IIGS User said:
It's really just a "Jeep" in name only. This vehicle is based on the Ram "DT" platform, much the same way Ford and GM's larger offerings like the Expedition and Suburban are based on their 5th generation pickup truck platforms.

I've owned both Ford and GM's 4th generation pickup truck offerings and have been a full size pickup truck owner for over 20 years. The DT platform is without a doubt the absolute best pickup I've ever owned or driven. I currently own a 2020 Ram. The interior is levels above the competition and better than most cars I've driven lately (I drive a lot of different cars at work). Road noise is minimal, and the suspension improvements particularly the changes to the stabilizer bar design and multi link coil spring rear suspension make this thing a pleasure to ride in on the highway and the back roads. The ZF transmission (used by the likes of Audi, BMW, Bentley, and Porsche) shifts great and is well suited to this application. Cold start performance is poor, IMHO however as the shifts can be a little harsh

It's no wonder Stellantis is selling a ton of these trucks, they really are head and shoulders above the competition in every way.

The Wagoneer name and Jeep brand are good marketing for this vehicle. The segment it targets (Gen X'ers with reasonable success and families) has nothing but fond memories of the Wagoneer name and are Jeep's target demo.


They will sell a lot of these, Stellantis will make barges of cash off them, and people are just gonna love them.
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I've driven the 5th gen Ram Rebel 1500, it's handling was so numb and suspension so wallowy it actually felt unsafe to me. Since when does the Ram have multi-link rear suspension? It has a crude live rear axle - not independent multi-link. I'll give it some points for having a halfway decent interior, especially compared to Ford and GM. Couldn't believe how slow it was with a 5.7L V8. The ZF 8-speed is great, I have the same transmission in my Range Rover Sport.

I still think their build quality and reliability is poor.
 
simply258 said:
Wireless CarPlay requires Bluetooth AND Wifi.
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To the OP's point, MOST systems have Bluetooth AND Wifi. Especially if made in the past 6 or 7 years. (GM, Kia, Ford, Hyndai, Honda to name a few).

I also don't understand why a lot of systems can't add this via software update other than the car makers don't want to commit resources to updating their own software and see it as a selling feature to drive new car sales.

Not exclusive to CarPlay either. Android auto... same thing.... and most Infotainment systems are built on Android. I could see some technical issues with CarPlay considering it is interfacing with Android in 99% of use cases in the car, but when you consider the OS factor... I call greed and laziness.
 
Hazmat401 said:
you complain about American Car quality yet ignore the massive repair bills on imports… especially German cars

what?

that air was…. People couldn’t perceive you to “have money” because you was in a Ford

don’t have to lie to us bro, and American cars have outhandled the imports since the second gen CTS-V

Anyhow… Jeep nailed the Grand Wagoneer as a luxury land yacht… it is a little quirky on the outside. My fiancé is considering this along with a Ford Expedition Platinum or a Range Rover Sport

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Congrats on your unlimited car budget! (JK). I really like these and if we had the cash to splash, my wife would LOVE to be in one of these babies. We had a Grand Cherokee and it's the best car I've ever owned. I'm waiting for the 4xe GC to come out and it will be my next vehicle purchase for sure.
 
The Barron said:
Jeep? They all eventually live in repair shops. Do your detailed research and you'll stay far from any Jeep!
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Maybe I'm lucky, but I owned a 2012 GC and babied it - never missed an oil change or scheduled maintenance. It lived in our driveway until 2020 when we needed a third row vehicle and never once gave us an issue. Absolutely loved that beauty.
 
827538 said:
I've driven the 5th gen Ram Rebel 1500, it's handling was so numb and suspension so wallowy it actually felt unsafe to me. Since when does the Ram have multi-link rear suspension? It has a crude live rear axle - not independent multi-link. I'll give it some points for having a halfway decent interior, especially compared to Ford and GM. Couldn't believe how slow it was with a 5.7L V8. The ZF 8-speed is great, I have the same transmission in my Range Rover Sport.

I still think their build quality and reliability is poor.
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www.autoblog.com

2020 Ram 1500 Suspension Deep Dive | Coil-spring rear suspension explained - Autoblog

Engineer Dan Edmunds takes a deep dive under the Ram 1500 to explain its trademark coil-spring rear suspension.
www.autoblog.com www.autoblog.com


Let's face facts, you're NOT fielding a full size pickup with as 12,000 LB towing capacity with anything other than a live rear axle. So you can call it crude in relationship to offerings in mid size SUV's that cater to a different segment of the market, but that's apples and oranges. Car and Driver also describes the DT platform as having "multi link suspension".
www.caranddriver.com

2025 Ram 1500 Review, Pricing, and Specs

Enhanced tech, fresh styling, and a twin-turbo inline-six improve the 2025 Ram 1500, which maintains its dominant position among full-size trucks.
www.caranddriver.com www.caranddriver.com

It IS a pickup truck. I drive this truck every day, as I have had pickup trucks for my daily drivers for 20+ years. It's still. A truck. It's not going to handle like a Range Rover or a BMW mid size SUV. Every vehicle on the road is a compromise in some way. If you felt "unsafe" driving it, you would feel unsafe driving any full size pickup truck.

This truck with the 5.7 isn't slow. I'm sorry, I just totally disagree with you there. It's a 400HP engine in a 4900 LB vehicle. It's really hard to get "slow" from a 12.2 HP/W ratio vehicle.
 
Chrysler = unreliable, cheaply made and overpriced automobiles. Jeep ranks among the worst in overall value & reliability, and has for many years.
 
IIGS User said:
www.autoblog.com

2020 Ram 1500 Suspension Deep Dive | Coil-spring rear suspension explained - Autoblog

Engineer Dan Edmunds takes a deep dive under the Ram 1500 to explain its trademark coil-spring rear suspension.
www.autoblog.com www.autoblog.com


Let's face facts, you're NOT fielding a full size pickup with as 12,000 LB towing capacity with anything other than a live rear axle. So you can call it crude in relationship to offerings in mid size SUV's that cater to a different segment of the market, but that's apples and oranges. Car and Driver also describes the DT platform as having "multi link suspension".
www.caranddriver.com

2025 Ram 1500 Review, Pricing, and Specs

Enhanced tech, fresh styling, and a twin-turbo inline-six improve the 2025 Ram 1500, which maintains its dominant position among full-size trucks.
www.caranddriver.com www.caranddriver.com

It IS a pickup truck. I drive this truck every day, as I have had pickup trucks for my daily drivers for 20+ years. It's still. A truck. It's not going to handle like a Range Rover or a BMW mid size SUV. Every vehicle on the road is a compromise in some way. If you felt "unsafe" driving it, you would feel unsafe driving any full size pickup truck.

This truck with the 5.7 isn't slow. I'm sorry, I just totally disagree with you there. It's a 400HP engine in a 4900 LB vehicle. It's really hard to get "slow" from a 12.2 HP/W ratio vehicle.
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Rivian R1T has a 11,000 lb towing capacity with an independent multi-link air suspension and hydraulic roll control. It's entirely doable, the live rear axle is just a lot cheaper.

You know what, I am wrong. Looks like the Ram 1500 does have multi-link rear suspension with a live axle - as an engineer I didn't believe that was even possible. Still the live axle is terrible for handling and negates a lot of the advantage a multi-link suspension brings. At least it's better than the truly horse and cart levels of tech GM and Ford keep using.

The Ram Rebel 1500 I drove has a 0-60 of ~6.5s, slow for a V8 powered machine. My RRS has a supercharged 5L V8 and does it in under 5 seconds and the Rivian I have on order does it in 3.2s. I don't understand how a 5.7L engine takes so long to get to 60mph. In Europe I drove 2L hot hatches that were in the low 4 seconds.

I don't like pickup trucks, I think they are slow, handle like crap, questionable safety, horrendous fuel economy, not necessary in most situations. Beyond having a bed to put dirty stuff in I can't think of anything a pickup can do better than my SUV.
 
lah said:
MPG is 13/18, that’s terrible.
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Yes it is, especially when you consider all recent feel good pledges and promises these automakers are releasing (including Chrysler) about transitioning to EV, and yet they’re still coming out with new vehicles that get this kind of fuel economy for $70-100k.

Insulting.

At this point, I believe EV adoption in the US is under 5%, so if they’re really shooting to significantly increase those numbers over the next 10 years, hybrid engines should be the standard option for most new vehicles, including this one.
 
CE3 said:
Yes it is, especially when you consider all recent feel good pledges and promises these automakers are releasing (including Chrysler) about transitioning to EV, and yet they’re still coming out with new vehicles that get this kind of fuel economy for $70-100k.

Insulting.

At this point, I believe EV adoption in the US is under 5%, so if they’re really shooting to significantly increase those numbers over the next 10 years, hybrid engines should be the standard option for most new vehicles, including this one.
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So what

I for one don’t appreciate having EVs with all types of compromises being shoved down our throat for one
 
I cannot think of anything more incongruous than the combination of that hideous truck parked in front of that gothic-revival mansion.
 
Hazmat401 said:
So what

I for one don’t appreciate having EVs with all types of compromises being shoved down our throat for one
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If this were a hybrid, what would be the compromise? Not having to fill your tank @ $3-5 a gallon every other day? A hybrid engine can be just as powerful as a standard engine, you get climate control when the car is parked without burning tons of fuel, a backup power option for an emergency situation, no range anxiety, and the electric torque gives you extra kick in stop-and-go traffic.
 
827538 said:
Rivian R1T has a 11,000 lb towing capacity with an independent multi-link air suspension and hydraulic roll control. It's entirely doable, the live rear axle is just a lot cheaper.

You know what, I am wrong. Looks like the Ram 1500 does have multi-link rear suspension with a live axle - as an engineer I didn't believe that was even possible. Still the live axle is terrible for handling and negates a lot of the advantage a multi-link suspension brings. At least it's better than the truly horse and cart levels of tech GM and Ford keep using.

The Ram Rebel 1500 I drove has a 0-60 of ~6.5s, slow for a V8 powered machine. My RRS has a supercharged 5L V8 and does it in under 5 seconds and the Rivian I have on order does it in 3.2s. I don't understand how a 5.7L engine takes so long to get to 60mph. In Europe I drove 2L hot hatches that were in the low 4 seconds.

I don't like pickup trucks, I think they are slow, handle like crap, questionable safety, horrendous fuel economy, not necessary in most situations. Beyond having a bed to put dirty stuff in I can't think of anything a pickup can do better than my SUV.
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Well, I think you're comparing apples and oranges again. Your RRS 5L is supercharged, and the 5.7L in the pickup is naturally asperated. I shouldn't need to explain the difference to an engineer. the RRS's supercharged engine has 518HP. The pickup has 400HP. Forced induction has that sort of effect on a powerplant. The Rivian you have on order is electric. Again, it's an incongruent comparison. Besides, I can't walk into a dealership and actually purchase a Rivian today so until they're in mass production, it's vaporware and a moot point.

By your overly simplistic standard (displacement) your RRS 5L is kinda weak in comparison to a 5.7L Hellcat making 807 HP.

They're different vehicles, with different objectives, and different compromises. I'm sure your Rover suits your lifestyle better than a truck would. A truck simply suits mine better for various reasons. Like, hauling hay or mulch which I do pretty often. Finally, a truck is just what I LIKE to drive. Which is all that matters to me. I'm paying for it, I like it, so that's that.

Trucks also have different gearing and final drive ratios than SUV's and cars. These all effect acceleration performance.

I would be curious to know what your engineering specialty is. It doesn't sound like it's automotive or mechanical.
 
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