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Leopard looks great, The new desktop.. Time machine.. great apps that I would love to have. (the only thing I dislike is that damn transparent bar at the top).

And supposedly, that's just an option. It can still be opaque, if you prefer.

So it looks like you're good to go! :D
 
theory on your question

This may be retarded, but am I the only one that thinks the finder windows look TOO much like iTunes? If you have several finder windows open and iTunes (and iPhoto for that matter), you won't be able to tell a difference between them at first glance. Apps need to look like apps and finder window should look like windows.

:rolleyes:

On the Apple's site they say "if you know iTunes you know the mac." http://www.apple.com/getamac/software.html My theory is that this may be the next phase of Jobs trying to get people to switch to the mac. Let's say somebody has iTunes on their XP machine. They love iTunes. Now, they get a chance to play on the mac and guess what.. they already know how to use it because everything works exactly like iTunes now. The learning curve for the new OS is now even smaller. Now all that person has to do is get used to things not being so overly complicated and viola they are a mac convert with little work!! (now they know iTunes, iPhoto, iWeb, the finder, Safari, and I am sure the list could go on.... all for just using iTunes)

Sure they will miss the constant balloons on the bottom of their screen constantly nagging them about unimportant things but perhaps somebody could develop iNag. Just a simple little program to emulate the constant annoyances of windows so you can enjoy them on your mac once you switch over. Here are a few balloons that you could have pop up "your virus definitions may be out of date", "New hardware has been detected", Click here for more information." I couldn't resist. Every time I log into windows and deal with these things it ticks me off (then I say, I now remember why I switched). Now start developing!!
 
My fear is the "external HD" that was stated for Time Machine....

Does this mean that partitioned HD's or even a second internal HD will not work at this point? That would suck. I was planning on getting an extra HD for my PM G5 but what would the point be....

I tried time machine on a second internal drive. It worked fine. It takes just a minute to set up your preferences. Then about 30 minutes to backup what you just selected. It was pretty much what you expect a mac app would feel like. I did not try it with a second partition though. I forgot what build it was, but it was a few months ago...
 
I need to pick up an Airport Extreme, attach a USB hard drive to it and have wireless backup with Time Machine. The ability to go back in time wirelessly with the Airport way out of site (im on a laptop) would be awesome.
 
What do you think is better, the transparent menu bar or the reflective dock?

Personally I wouldn't mind having either addition, but I thought the new dock was cool. Probably not "revolutionary", but more alone the lines of "evolutionary". Many us of wanted a new interface in Leopard, so here it is! Sometimes change can be good. We won't know for sure until we actually get to use it. ;)
 
On the Apple's site they say "if you know iTunes you know the mac." http://www.apple.com/getamac/software.html My theory is that this may be the next phase of Jobs trying to get people to switch to the mac. Let's say somebody has iTunes on their XP machine. They love iTunes. Now, they get a chance to play on the mac and guess what.. they already know how to use it because everything works exactly like iTunes now. The learning curve for the new OS is now even smaller. Now all that person has to do is get used to things not being so overly complicated and viola they are a mac convert with little work!! (now they know iTunes, iPhoto, iWeb, the finder, Safari, and I am sure the list could go on.... all for just using iTunes)

Excellent point. I'm liking how Leopard is shaping up to be a consistent and very elegant operating system. The ease of use would be appealing to new users. :D

(Sorry for double post)
 
Off topic but....

What can PowerPoint do that Keynote can't? The only compatibility issues I have found is multi-column text (which is something keynote can do but powerpoint can't), text shadows (something else keynote can do but PP can't), and table background transparency (another thing Keynote does that PP doesn't). I have yet to find anything that PP does that Keynote can't. And even in the above instances, Keynote always handles exporting to PP quite well. It also has always handled importing from PP completely fine, every time. And yes, this is sharing with PP on a windows computer, specifically PP 2003 (I understand 2007 is very different, but I haven't used it yet and that's a whole other issue as most people will not have upgraded yet).

Well a few things actually....but a couple that come to mind.

PowerPoint (windows version only currently) allows for animations (make objects move along a path). This can be REALLY helpful when trying to demonstrate a complex process. The Mac PP does not allow you to make such animations but will in fact show them (so I can make it in the PC version and then load it up into my Mac).

Allow you to (at least more easily) colour the bars of your graphs whatever colour you want them to be - an not have to go in the order or using the pallet that is defined as part of the Theme you are in.

There are a few others. I like Keynote a lot, but there are still things that PowerPoint simply does better. I use KN about 80% of the time now but on occasion have to go back to PowerPoint.

Same is true of Word/Pages by the way....
 
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If they didn't sign a NDA, then they didn't get it through ADC, so it can't be a 'legal' copy...

Wired said:
This is an unofficial review. Wired News obtained a copy of the developers' release, which was provided only to Apple's software partners under strict nondisclosure agreements. We didn't sign anything, but since Apple owns the copyrights on images from the OS, we are able to publish only a small sample of screenshots.

"We didn't sign anything"... that's funny. Still, how publicly upset do you think Apple will get with Wired for running an article titled "Pretty Kitty"?
 
Had they went with ZFS it wouldn't have taken any time to set up.

It would still have taken the 30 minutes to copy the first snapshot out to an external drive. The config is fast, the backups are like any other backup. It copies a ton of files from one spot to another. ZFS isn't a magic bullet here.
 
This may be retarded, but am I the only one that thinks the finder windows look TOO much like iTunes? If you have several finder windows open and iTunes (and iPhoto for that matter), you won't be able to tell a difference between them at first glance. Apps need to look like apps and finder window should look like windows.

:rolleyes:

I think you are failing to see the point that iTunes 7 was an introduction to the new look of OS X. The use of cover flow and other iTunes 7 characteristics is supposed to create more GUI uniformity within the OS, which is severely lacking in Tiger. A lot of the features in iTunes were "tested" on the mass public for usability and general appeal before implementing them throughout the OS, but it seems Apple wanted to introduce many of those features throughout the system independent of iTunes.
 
To all those naysayers that who opined that Leopard was not as big a deal as Tiger, I have to vehemently disagree. Leopard is greater than Tiger with a single feature--Time Machine.

Working for Dell Tech support has taught me that the plague of the average user is data loss. Their Windows machines go down seemingly without rhyme or reason and they didn't back anything up. I help them out after they stop sobbing, but I wish I could just tell them about Time Machine, and improve their lives by saying "Get a Mac".



I've got a couple of questions about Time Machine.

1) Do you need a seperate HD to use it?
2) What specifically does it back up? Only select folders? Everything?
3) How much space do the (backups?) take up?

I've been starting to back stuff up lately but all in all the backup alone takes up a good 100 gb (the music library alone is 40 gb).
 
Yeah, people will put up with slow connections to steal stuff off of BitTorrent, but this would be like your friend and a couple hundred thousand others (assuming that most people elect to purchase a physical copy) all hammering the same server farm for the same season of Voyager (all seven seasons of which are still in print, just expensive) at the same time... plus, how many people are really going to be willing to spent a day or two (or three) downloading at 768kb/s or 1.5Mb/s and then burn a dual-layer DVD (assuming they have a DL drive and DL media) for something they just paid $129 for, when they could have had a physical copy delivered by FedEx, on the day of release, for the same $129.

Not so, I've downloaded Buffy and Angel series, made a DVD with the AVI's using iDVD, then saved it as a "Disk Image". Using that image, I was able to compress the DVD to fit onto a 4.7 single layer disc, burned using Roxio Toast 8. Each season was about 40 discs, which cost considerably less than buying the series.
 
Has anybody with WWDC snapshot tried using Time Machine with a network drive (like an AirPort Extreme drive) yet?

Or set up more than one machine using Time Machine on the same drive?
 
"Leopard was more flaky on a Core Duo-based MacBook. Using the machine's built-in video camera for Photo Booth and iChat caused the applications to crash, and the Finder bombed unexpectedly several times. I installed a copy on a G4 PowerBook and it was equally flaky."

I bet it's still like that when 10.5 is released. :D
 
Does this mean that partitioned HD's or even a second internal HD will not work at this point?

Of course another internal HD will work. The only reason for mentioning "external" hard drives is because Power Macs/Mac Pros are the only Macs that can install more internal hard drives. Hence the majority of Mac owners must use an external hard drive.

On the other hand, while using another partition on one hard drive might work, I hope they find some way to prevent it because it's a really bad idea and defeats half the point of having Time Machine in the first place. (That point being having your data backed up, and WHEN--not if--your hard drive fails, having your "backup" data disappear too is really pretty useless, no? ;) )

--Eric
 
Personally I wouldn't mind having either addition, but I thought the new dock was cool. Probably not "revolutionary", but more alone the lines of "evolutionary". Many us of wanted a new interface in Leopard, so here it is! Sometimes change can be good. We won't know for sure until we actually get to use it. ;)

I hid my dock then cut and pasted the Leopard dock from a screenshot to the bottom of a 1280x1024 image and set that as my desktop background.

It doesn't work! You click on the app icons and nothing happens!
 
10.5 looks nice.

too nice....

I can see it now.

On My Macbook (sig) I won't be able to have multiple finder windows open (coverflow) and iTunes open in coverflow due to the ghetto Graphix Card....

I'm actually pretty concerned about this :(

Yeah I can see the mini and MacBooks getting a better/real graphics card around the time of Leopards release because of all the eye candy that needs it.
 
I hid my dock then cut and pasted the Leopard dock from a screenshot to the bottom of a 1280x1024 image and set that as my desktop background.

It doesn't work! You click on the app icons and nothing happens!

Have you tried rebooting? After installing the new dock you probably need to reboot.
 
Stacks!

To all those naysayers that who opined that Leopard was not as big a deal as Tiger, I have to vehemently disagree. Leopard is greater than Tiger with a single feature--Time Machine.

Working for Dell Tech support has taught me that the plague of the average user is data loss. Their Windows machines go down seemingly without rhyme or reason and they didn't back anything up. I help them out after they stop sobbing, but I wish I could just tell them about Time Machine, and improve their lives by saying "Get a Mac".

Time Machine is actually the feature I'm waiting least on. Not that it isn't sweet, I just don't need it.

The real killer feature? STACKS! I cannot wait for stacks. They are going to make using a mac, and the Dock, much easier. Yeah, the new Finder is pretty sweet, but who needs to use the Finder when you've got stacks? When I first read about stacks I nearly exploded, but when I saw the Downloads stack I actually exploded.
 
I hid my dock then cut and pasted the Leopard dock from a screenshot to the bottom of a 1280x1024 image and set that as my desktop background.

It doesn't work! You click on the app icons and nothing happens!

I do that for funzies all the time. Try this: make the Dock on the left and take a screenshot. Make that screenshot your desktop pic and then put the Dock on the right and take another screenshot. Make that screenshot your desktop pic and then put the Dock on the bottom of the screen. Also, open up multiple windows on the screen (a Safari window in the middle, buddy list on the upper right, the iTunes remote, etc.). Take a screenshot and make it your desktop pic. Hide the Dock now and enjoy not knowing which Dock is real and trying to click buddies that aren't there.
 
I think you are failing to see the point that iTunes 7 was an introduction to the new look of OS X. The use of cover flow and other iTunes 7 characteristics is supposed to create more GUI uniformity within the OS, which is severely lacking in Tiger. A lot of the features in iTunes were "tested" on the mass public for usability and general appeal before implementing them throughout the OS, but it seems Apple wanted to introduce many of those features throughout the system independent of iTunes.

No, i get that. I'm just saying that now it's gonna take a bit more scrutiny to discern between applications and finder windows, that's all. i think iTunes has a great interface and i think cover flow in a finder window will actually be very useful. But it IS nice that currently when I hit F9 to see all open windows i can see instantly which ones are finder windows and which ones are apps. In Leopard, hitting F9 will give you a bunch of windows that all look the same. Yes...a unified GUI is good. But...a little difference between apps and OS windows is a good thing too.
 
I need to pick up an Airport Extreme, attach a USB hard drive to it and have wireless backup with Time Machine. The ability to go back in time wirelessly with the Airport way out of site (im on a laptop) would be awesome.

I think that in itself is a cool feature. I only have a Powerbook and it saves me time if Timemachine can do it wirelessly. Does anyone know if that works with the old AEBS (802.11g)?

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