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I agree. But that being said - if these workers live in Foxconn dorms, eat at Foxconn, spend the majority of the days/nights at Foxconn - then it's highly likely that even if it wasn't a "work" incident - it was work "related." It would be almost impossible to not be work related. Whether it's due to long hours, stress, anger, etc - it's a fair assumption by most that it wasn't "random" or completely unrelated to work.

Or it could be totally not related. according to Xinhua:

"Xinhua quoted a senior official with the Taiyuan city government as saying investigators initially determined the fight broke out as workers from Shandong Province clashed with workers from Henan. The agency earlier quoted Taiyuan City's public security bureau as saying about 5,000 police had tackled the violence."

It could be ethnic/regional violence. It's just so easy to attack Apple because they are such a juicy and easy target.
 
if you are willing to pay at least triple for the iPhone. actually who am I kidding, what about 10 times more....:D

Sorry, but Made in USA just work for few products. Most will always go to countries like China because Americans want to pay Walmart prices.

Maybe less profits for apple lol
 
This **** better not delay my iPhone 5, nor devalue my appl stock.

Cause god forbid you wait a little more for your iphone or lose a little money.

That surely is worse than being beaten at work for not working fast enough or pretty much being treated like slave labor.

Yes, you truly have it so hard. Those lazy slaves, how dare they actually want to be treated at least a little better.
 
I don't think the impact would be that great. The American economy would certainly be strengthened if Apple were to do such a move. Hundreds of thousands of jobs added, tons of money poured into American workers.

Plus, just think - if Apple had to actually pay taxes on that $100B they have stashed outside the US.....people complain about Romney's measly millions stashed in a Swiss bank account....PFFT!

Oakley makes their products in the USA - how do their prices compare to other high end sunglasses makers? (maybe a poor analogy but was the first "USA made" company I could think of).

Speaking of American manufacturing and government, etc., did you hear that the US Olympic team uniforms were actually made in China? Disgraceful.

But you think a publicly traded company beholden to shareholders should do otherwise? :)
 
It's sad, but unfortunately 'cheap labor' is embded in your daily life, not just in electroncis and gadgets.

Heck -- how do you think you get to buy a pound of apples or oranges for a $1.50? You think a faily paid American worker picked those fruits for you? Think again, it's a $2 an hour illegal immigrant.
 
Or it could be totally not related. according to Xinhua:

"Xinhua quoted a senior official with the Taiyuan city government as saying investigators initially determined the fight broke out as workers from Shandong Province clashed with workers from Henan. The agency earlier quoted Taiyuan City's public security bureau as saying about 5,000 police had tackled the violence."

It could be ethnic/regional violence. It's just so easy to attack Apple because they are such a juicy and easy target.

I didn't mention Apple at all in my comment. I referred to Foxconn because that's who the issue is about.
 
The title of this article strikes me as insensitive. Are we so materialistic that we care more about a stupid iPhone than the well-being of human beings. I don't care if it's delayed a year as long as I can be certain my iPhone is not coming from abused worked. MacRumors - please change the title.
 
I didn't mention Apple at all in my comment. I referred to Foxconn because that's who the issue is about.

ETA: And again - if people are over-worked, stressed, angry, etc - then they are already potentially "primed" for responding with violence. So at the core - it could still very well be work "related." If the employees weren't under so much pressure (for example) perhaps cooler heads would have prevailed.
 
Or it could be totally not related. according to Xinhua:

"Xinhua quoted a senior official with the Taiyuan city government as saying investigators initially determined the fight broke out as workers from Shandong Province clashed with workers from Henan. The agency earlier quoted Taiyuan City's public security bureau as saying about 5,000 police had tackled the violence."

It could be ethnic/regional violence. It's just so easy to attack Apple because they are such a juicy and easy target.

On the other hand, this is China who is very controlling over what info comes out and I wouldn't trust them to tell us the truth even if it was the truth!

Or in other words, he may say that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that is actually what happened. China is very big on censorship and making sure people only see what they want them to see.
 
I don't think $8 translates to 2 hours of Chinese labor....I mean 2 hours at min. wage in the US would only be about $14-$16. Sure that's almost double manufacturing costs, but when added to the $199 parts, it seems a smaller drop in the bucket.

I'd bet $8 gets more than 2 hours of labor...

Try $350 a month
6 day work week
10+ hour days
That comes to $14.58 a day
$1.46 per hour.

$8 buys 5 1/2 hours of labor

http://www.pcworld.com/article/250298/foxconn_to_increase_workers_wages_in_china.html
 
The title of this article strikes me as insensitive. Are we so materialistic that we care more about a stupid iPhone than the well-being of human beings. I don't care if it's delayed a year as long as I can be certain my iPhone is not coming from abused worked. MacRumors - please change the title.

Indeed. People go out of their way for conflict free diamonds while at the same time, easily forget there are other injustices with their other daily purchase decisions.

I don't say I'm a saint - as I often don't consider these things as well and ultimately buy whatever tech I need to get the job done. But it is worth thinking about.
 
Seems to be a good possibility to me that some disciplinary actions were taken related to the quality issues and things escalated....
 
I didn't mention Apple at all in my comment. I referred to Foxconn because that's who the issue is about.

True. I was extending this to the other discussions that have been going on here and the fact that the only reason a Foxconn related article is on this site is the presumption that the iPhone was being made by these folks. But, you are correct that your comment only referenced Foxconn.

And to be fair, there are some other reports that a beating took place from security guards, but as I said, I'm going to wait a while before I place any blame on anyone.
 
The title of this article strikes me as insensitive. Are we so materialistic that we care more about a stupid iPhone than the well-being of human beings. I don't care if it's delayed a year as long as I can be certain my iPhone is not coming from abused worked. MacRumors - please change the title.

To what? There is no evidence at all that "abused workers" is a cause of this. But you have that many people together and things are going to get crazy sometimes. People argue, they adulterate with each other, they steal from each other, they take offense because some other guy's ancestor insulted your ancestor. I take your point that there is a human side here and we hope no one was seriously injured, but you can't have that many people together and not have incidents happen from time to time. Hell, look at almost any town or city in the U.S. where there are even fewer people. Stuff happens.
 
Repression, riots, people no doubt hurt whats the headline "Impact on iPhone 5 Production Unclear" How sad to see everything reduced just so people can have the latest toy a bit earlier.

What are you talking about?

Does MacRumors or any other tech site put news items about riots and other unrest. No of course not. What about house break-ins. No, they are not mentioned either. It was only because it was Steve's home that it was a story. That is for general news site.

It's only the connection with the iPhone that makes it of any interest here. If you want to read why the guards were beating the staff then go somewhere else. I am not justifying it, I am concerned too, but this is not the place.

Come on, what do you really expect MacRumors to post?
 
Could this be related to the quality of the iPhone 5 people have been experiencing?

Was there a fallout for not having the quality control expected?

Yeah, it was scuffs that caused this, not crap work conditions or pay, or general crap treatment. You sir post of the day!
 
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