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Rivian Explains Why CarPlay Debate Will Become 'Completely Obsolete'

quagmire said:
You can forward the address to the Tesla through Apple Maps. Though believe it is phone/iPad only as the tesla app needs to be on the device you're using to send the address.
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Also in a trip the Tesla might plan it for you because of the recharging. But the ability to send the address to the Tesla is one of the coolest little features among hundreds that make it amazing.
 
jml12286 said:
Many people don't realize until after purchase that Tesla doesn't have carplay. I see it asked all the time in every Tesla group I'm in. We bought a Tesla because it was the only EV that made sense for all the features in the price range. I also figured there might be a way to add Carplay aftermarket after the fact, and there is... but the thing I tried sucked. So now we have a Car we enjoy, but I slightly dislike because the built in apps just plain suck compared to having my messages and apple music work the same as on my phone.
I actually enjoy just driving my 26 year old 4runner with a $100 aftermarket wireless carplay stereo more because of the ease of connection and apps from my phone.
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They have CarPlay now or very soon....Tesla announced it.
 
#NoCarPlayNoSale

Sorry, I won’t even consider a vehicle that doesn’t have it. CarPlay (and android auto) exist because car manufacturers can’t build a UI to save their lives.
 
"Ok engineering team, we have a universal standard that is beloved by millions and currently dominates marketshare in the US, and is currently rising in Asia. How do we screw that up?"
 
I don’t think a single engineer @ Rivian believes this, pure marketing speak fueled by corporate obsession to own the entire stack

I don’t want to go through your horrible UI to get to my stuff and I don’t care if you made a deal with google to ship your trucks with android automotive or whatever it’s called now
 
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jml12286 said:
I guess I dont really use my desktop app much at all to compare. I agree it looks similar to the phone app in theory. The Tesla app doesn't have the DJ mixing or downloading offline music. Then there are the different Tesla profiles between wife and I, and many times we get logged out out the Apple Music app randomly, and its like many minutes of getting it to scan the code and log in if it even works the first time. We live in a remote area where cell reception is spotty for many trips, and the app just straight up pauses and never resumes, often it just switches back to the whole general music selection of different apps to play music...
It would just be so much easier if it were a mirror of my phone app with all the features that work for me.
Its little difference in the Tesla android appness that just are annoyances when all would be well with a little carplay interface in part of the huge screen 😎
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I don't use DJ'ing mixing, not even sure what that is. Feels like we are getting into the little things though. The big picture you have all your music in a familiar app. I would love to see a screen shot of your CarPlay Apple Music main screen. If it was I remember or like the screen shot I shared then you immediately have a completely different UI that is unfamiliar and works differently then your iPhone, iPad and Computer, so big continuity issues there. You say it would be much easier if it just mirrored the iPhone app. When I look at the iPhone app it looks like the app in Tesla and again the desktop Music app, just on a smaller screen. The CarPlay app is the one that looks completely different.

I don't see the point in downloading music unless you are hitting a lot of dead zones for long periods of time. Sounds like you are, for me Tesla is always connected (with their premium package) and I never have the music drop and most of my driving is rural so network is spotty in places. It obviously buffers enough to keep things going for maybe a minute or two where a data connection drops completely.
 
I may end up with an R2 in my future. As I see less viable options out there at the moment. I want CarPlay and will not buy a GM because of their current stance on not allowing it or supporting it. I don't see this as being difficult to allow the normal CarPlay/AndroidAuto functions to work. I can see Ultra as being maybe a bridge too far for some car companies. Since it takes them out of the UI/UX. But, they have put themselves in that spot to begin with. Apple and Google are better options than what most offer as standard.
 
Completely missing the point.
No one wants another interface. Your stuff, everywhere you go, in your hand. Home, work, school, Car, nothing else to setup, nothing else to add your favourite app.
I don't want your fine tuned deep ai integration ad-backed and data harvesting UI.
Stay in your lane and make the car drive. Build a god damn smartphone OS if you want to be in that game.
 
bluespark said:
CarPlay takes over exactly the number of pixels allotted to it by the car manufacturer. As to whether Rivian's plan is a good one, I note that he cannot presently say that Rivian is able to offer all of the functionality of CarPlay.
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Is that really the case? I heard that Apple requires (regular) CarPlay to take over the full display. There have been exceptions in the early days of CarPlan (for example, my wife's Jeep has ugly Jeep "frame" around the CarPlay. It is an eyesore I am sure Apple design team is not too happy about.
 
Kmac2025 said:
I don't want your fine tuned deep ai integration ad-backed and data harvesting UI.
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To be fair to Rivian, there are no ads. Also there has not been credible reporting for data harvesting.

I think they simply believe that they can do a better UX than Apple. They are wrong. And also want to push their $15/m data subscription (which I am forced to pay now, but might not pay if they had CarPlay that can ride on my phone data without fiddling).
 
jimmy_john said:
I don’t doubt at all that FSD is safer than humans among the kind of drivers who would choose to use it.
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It's better than everyone to be honest. Multiple cameras can react and see more than us. If everyone was using it, we would have less accidents and less traffic.
 
Nekronos said:
My BMW saves trip details- recents, favorite destinations and does points of interest based on your travel history, etc. I can use voice assistant or send it an itinerary from my phone in advance - there's little carplay does that my BMW's built in system doesn't already do.
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Kiss all that saved info goodbye when you trade your car…the advantage of CarPlay—even if you somehow end up with a good in-car interface—is that it is completely portable as you prefer it configured. Every app is where I left it. The music and messages and audio books are right where I left them.

My CarPlay is the same in our Volvo SUV, Volvo wagon and Bentley convertible. And even if I end up in the hubby’s work Toyota for some reason. And, of course, every rental I drop my butt into.
 
Bensaid added that "deep AI integration into the car" will eventually make the debate over offering CarPlay in vehicles "completely obsolete."
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100%, but different from what Rivian thinks.

Deep AI integration is all about access to data and actions that make AI useful. iPhone has both. No car will have either.

("Hey Rivian, open the windows" is nice to have. "Siri, brief me on my next meeting details — including customer latest emails in CRM and send the attendees a note that I'll be 5min late" will be useful when (eventually?) Siri starts to work.)
 
jakebrosy said:
Kiss all that saved info goodbye when you trade your car…the advantage of CarPlay—even if you somehow end up with a good in-car interface—is that it is completely portable as you prefer it configured. Every app is where I left it. The music and messages and audio books are right where I left them.

My CarPlay is the same in our Volvo SUV, Volvo wagon and Bentley convertible. And even if I end up in the hubby’s work Toyota for some reason. And, of course, every rental I drop my butt into.
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Yeah I just don't care about that enough, I keep my vehicles for over 10 years. Maybe that matters more to you if you change vehicles frequently. Vehicles can import contacts and destinations from your phone without carplay. Music doesn't need to start where I left off, messages work with built in infotainment, I don't listen to audio books in the car.

"Even if" there are a decent number of good in-car interfaces out there, perhaps more bad then good but carplay is worse sometimes. The most convenient use of carplay is probably a rental but that's not something I do regularly and I'll get on just fine if it doesn't have it.

Each to their own, but people are too obsessed with their phones and by extension, carplay. The most important things to me in a vehicle are safety, reliability, efficiency, driving mechanics, price - carplay is just a minor convenience low on my list and I've experienced carplay glitches enough times to be weary of it. Manufacturers built in systems must be absolutely reliable - regulation demands it - the same is not true of carplay.

If a car doesn't have good built in voice assistance then i think carplay can improve the driving experience and safety (it can also be distracting) but it's just not a deciding factor for me.
 
CarPlay is great for cars from the traditional manufacturers, where they have horrible user interfaces and subpar functionality, but isn't necessary with cars like Tesla, Lucid, or Rivian (although I personally am not a huge fan of the Rivian UI). I don't miss CarPlay at all in my Tesla. I think once other manufacturers start to put more emphasis on their actual UX, the need for CarPlay will decline.
 
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zifty said:
CarPlay is great for cars from the traditional manufacturers, where they have horrible user interfaces and subpar functionality, but isn't necessary with cars like Tesla, Lucid, or Rivian (although I personally am not a huge fan of the Rivian UI). I don't miss CarPlay at all in my Tesla. I think once other manufacturers start to put more emphasis on their actual UX, the need for CarPlay will decline.
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It is a useful transition technology as people migrate away from the legacy automakers.
 
wonderings said:
I don't use DJ'ing mixing, not even sure what that is. Feels like we are getting into the little things though. The big picture you have all your music in a familiar app. I would love to see a screen shot of your CarPlay Apple Music main screen. If it was I remember or like the screen shot I shared then you immediately have a completely different UI that is unfamiliar and works differently then your iPhone, iPad and Computer, so big continuity issues there. You say it would be much easier if it just mirrored the iPhone app. When I look at the iPhone app it looks like the app in Tesla and again the desktop Music app, just on a smaller screen. The CarPlay app is the one that looks completely different.

I don't see the point in downloading music unless you are hitting a lot of dead zones for long periods of time. Sounds like you are, for me Tesla is always connected (with their premium package) and I never have the music drop and most of my driving is rural so network is spotty in places. It obviously buffers enough to keep things going for maybe a minute or two where a data connection drops completely.
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My work vehicle, but also proves the usefulness of CarPlay 😎.
The dj mixing is where one song mixes into the next one playing so there is no silence between songs and just a continuous mix.
I mean that wish it would mirror it in the way that CarPlay works, not a completely separate android app that is logged in and has less functionality.
We have premium connectivity but lots of dead zones where there is no service for a few minutes. So we just listen to the silence or have to switch to Bluetooth audio using our downloaded music on the phone….

Definitely all first world problems, but would be solved by just having CarPlay 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
His logic is flawed. When Rivians were first introduced, everyone that was interested in CarPlay asked about CarPlay. Now that all these stories have spread about them planning to never offer CarPlay, a lot of people for whom CarPlay is a must-have just don't look at Rivian. So, naturally, the percentage of customers asking about CarPlay has dropped.
 
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Nekronos said:
Yeah I just don't care about that enough, I keep my vehicles for over 10 years. Maybe that matters more to you if you change vehicles frequently. Vehicles can import contacts and destinations from your phone without carplay. Music doesn't need to start where I left off, messages work with built in infotainment, I don't listen to audio books in the car.

"Even if" there are a decent number of good in-car interfaces out there, perhaps more bad then good but carplay is worse sometimes. The most convenient use of carplay is probably a rental but that's not something I do regularly and I'll get on just fine if it doesn't have it.

Each to their own, but people are too obsessed with their phones and by extension, carplay. The most important things to me in a vehicle are safety, reliability, efficiency, driving mechanics, price - carplay is just a minor convenience low on my list and I've experienced carplay glitches enough times to be weary of it. Manufacturers built in systems must be absolutely reliable - regulation demands it - the same is not true of carplay.

If a car doesn't have good built in voice assistance then i think carplay can improve the driving experience and safety (it can also be distracting) but it's just not a deciding factor for me.
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I have curated favourites in Google Maps from 15 years ago. Places I visited and liked all there. I can easily forward an AirBnb address to phone nav and it'll navigate to destination. This the point of using the phone navigation on road trips and not having to copy all of relevant info into car's navigation.

This the reason that I'm in the "Carplay or I'm not buying that car" camp.
 
rainwadj said:
His logic is flawed. When Rivians were first introduced, everyone that was interested in CarPlay asked about CarPlay. Now that all these stories have spread about them planning to never offer CarPlay, a lot of people for whom CarPlay is a must-have just don't look at Rivian. So, naturally, the percentage of customers asking about CarPlay has dropped.
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The survey actually asked questions to current owners about whether they should spend time and resources implementing it.
 
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