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"The challenge with screen mirroring solutions is that they take over every single pixel in the car," he said.
Not for the reason he's mentioned, but I do agree that screen mirroring is CarPlay's weakest link. Similar to AAOS, Apple needs to release CarPlayOS in order to iterate to the next level. Screen Mirroring is incredibly slow and clunky.
 
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I’m not buying another car without CarPlay. It sucked when I didn’t have it in the Tesla. Seems like Mercedes are the only car company getting it mostly right these days. Not like BMW and Audi trying to to ring monthly subs out of you for features. GM who want all your data.
 
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Soooo can their in-car AI put ABetterRoutePlanner on my in-vehicle display? No? What about my PlexAMP or, when I get around to setting it up, my FinAMP music player or even Qobuz? No again? What about my preferred podcatcher, Overcast? Oh it can't do that either? Then it is useless to me.

Meanwhile, CarPlay puts those apps on my screen and lets me use their functionality as needed. Man, it's almost like CarPlay is a useful feature! (and I'd say the same about Android Auto if I ever switched... and found a replacement podcatcher)
 
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To be fair to Rivian, there are no ads. Also there has not been credible reporting for data harvesting.

I think they simply believe that they can do a better UX than Apple. They are wrong. And also want to push their $15/m data subscription (which I am forced to pay now, but might not pay if they had CarPlay that can ride on my phone data without fiddling).
as a rivian owner I disagree that they're wrong. Rivian's UI is better than CarPlay. I have no interest in CarPlay now that I have a vehicle that has a good UI. CarPlay is a solution for the dumpy big auto companies like GM,ford and Toyota that can't make a decent UI for the life of them. but Tesla and Rivian don't need CarPlay.
 
I’m not buying another car without CarPlay. It sucked when I didn’t have it in the Tesla. Seems like Mercedes are the only car company getting it mostly right these days. Not like BMW and Audi trying to to ring monthly subs out of you for features. GM who want all your data.
what does CarPlay do that you can't do in a Tesla or Rivian?
 
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My work vehicle, but also proves the usefulness of CarPlay 😎.
The dj mixing is where one song mixes into the next one playing so there is no silence between songs and just a continuous mix.
I mean that wish it would mirror it in the way that CarPlay works, not a completely separate android app that is logged in and has less functionality.
We have premium connectivity but lots of dead zones where there is no service for a few minutes. So we just listen to the silence or have to switch to Bluetooth audio using our downloaded music on the phone….

Definitely all first world problems, but would be solved by just having CarPlay 🤷🏽‍♂️
the apple music and spotify apps on the Rivian support this crossfade feature, as does your phone when you use the bluetooth connection... so what problem does CarPlay solve with this?
 
His logic is flawed. When Rivians were first introduced, everyone that was interested in CarPlay asked about CarPlay. Now that all these stories have spread about them planning to never offer CarPlay, a lot of people for whom CarPlay is a must-have just don't look at Rivian. So, naturally, the percentage of customers asking about CarPlay has dropped.
I bought a Rivian thinking I wanted CarPlay and was bummed it didn't have it. but over a year into it, I don't miss CarPlay don't care if Rivian ever supports it. I probably wouldn't use it even if they did, because it's superfluous. the Rivian software is better.
 
Kiss all that saved info goodbye when you trade your car…the advantage of CarPlay—even if you somehow end up with a good in-car interface—is that it is completely portable as you prefer it configured. Every app is where I left it. The music and messages and audio books are right where I left them.

My CarPlay is the same in our Volvo SUV, Volvo wagon and Bentley convertible. And even if I end up in the hubby’s work Toyota for some reason. And, of course, every rental I drop my butt into.
Rivian supports applemusic, and their software supports direct interface with your messaging on the iPhone, so you can ask the rivian Assistant to message someone, or read a received message. I'm trying to understand what CarPlay fixes...I get that this is a big perk with a volvo, toyota, ford or gm... but a car that has good Software like Rivian? CarPlay isn't needed.
 
the apple music and spotify apps on the Rivian support this crossfade feature, as does your phone when you use the bluetooth connection... so what problem does CarPlay solve with this?
They don't on the Tesla which is what I assumed would be similar with Rivian. Does the Rivian Apple Music app play downloaded music? I dont have a Rivian but would like one with Carplay so I dont have to sign into a bunch of third party apps or have it all logged in if someone else drives the vehicle. I had a Lightning and using Carplay was just plain nice and non intrusive over Fords own stuff if needed.
 
The debate will never become obsolete as long as Apple customers, like myself, want CarPlay. I'm literally never going to buy any car that doesn't support CarPlay.
 
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what does CarPlay do that you can't do in a Tesla or Rivian?
It support taking calls via screen interface with Zoom (aka audio portion). It allow me to switch between Google Maps and Waze when I want to comparisons on the ride in nyc to JFK or across a bridge. It allows me to the EV Go app that tells me where those funky nyc street charging spots are at and if they are occupied. It support audible where I can see which book is on the screen. I get my text message read to me nicely from iMessage automatically same as my AirPods. I use the Target Mobile Pickup when I am running to NJ for errands and passing by a target. You are basically asking why I want access to a bunch of apps versus coming up with bluetooth based workarounds?
 
as a rivian owner I disagree that they're wrong. Rivian's UI is better than CarPlay. I have no interest in CarPlay now that I have a vehicle that has a good UI. CarPlay is a solution for the dumpy big auto companies like GM,ford and Toyota that can't make a decent UI for the life of them. but Tesla and Rivian don't need CarPlay.

Then we disagree. I also drive R1S. Love the car. UI is nice, but leaves huge gaps compared to CarPlay.
 
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It support taking calls via screen interface with Zoom (aka audio portion). It allow me to switch between Google Maps and Waze when I want to comparisons on the ride in nyc to JFK or across a bridge. It allows me to the EV Go app that tells me where those funky nyc street charging spots are at and if they are occupied. It support audible where I can see which book is on the screen. I get my text message read to me nicely from iMessage automatically same as my AirPods. I use the Target Mobile Pickup when I am running to NJ for errands and passing by a target. You are basically asking why I want access to a bunch of apps versus coming up with bluetooth based workarounds?
I take Webex and teams calls in my Rivian all the time, not sure what you mean by screen interface I can control the audio via the screen on the Rivian. I only have Rivian’s maps app which uses google, but when I’ve compared with other maps it’s comparable or better. I stopped bothering to check anymore.
The EVgo stuff is built in natively to the Rivian maps, why would you want an additional app to do what the maps should do natively?
 
Soooo can their in-car AI put ABetterRoutePlanner on my in-vehicle display? No? What about my PlexAMP or, when I get around to setting it up, my FinAMP music player or even Qobuz? No again? What about my preferred podcatcher, Overcast? Oh it can't do that either? Then it is useless to me.

Meanwhile, CarPlay puts those apps on my screen and lets me use their functionality as needed. Man, it's almost like CarPlay is a useful feature! (and I'd say the same about Android Auto if I ever switched... and found a replacement podcatcher)
Very specific needs here. I’d say you are in the 0.1% of CarPlay users that care about this. Glad you get something out of it. I could care less about any of that and would rather Rivian help bring native apps to the platform rather than waste time or $ supporting CarPlay.
 
I like Rivian's car exterior designs because they're very neutral and chill looking. No angry trucks. They don't look ready to go on a road rage rampage through town running everyone over.

But the interior is meh. The whole "lifestyle car" thing annoys me. I just want a car that does its job as a car. Nothing more nothing less. A good car has great air conditioning and heating and preferably a banging sound system. A good secure entry and ignition system is nice to have. Good lighting is important. Easy and convenient controls that don't fall apart after 5-10 years of usage is crucial.

Nowhere in all this did I say I want subscriptions or a custom-designed user interface that doesn't work with whatever phone I have lol.

Why can't we have some kinda usb-c touchscreen standard so that the car just provides the input and we hook whatever we want (wireless android auto/carplay device, car computer, radio unit, etc) up to it?
 
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I just Just a CarPlay display on my Tesla. It’s pretty good it looks integrated on my cars steering wheel column. I would use an external car play on any future ev that wants to cut me off from car play.

I use my Tesla nav for mapping and routing purposes but for podcast snd controlling my music it’s all CarPlay.
 
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Good luck starting your own music service and map service. Woof.
They could just parner with garmin and spotify, it's to late to convince people to change music service now,people heave years of playlists and backround akgo training about what they like which wil probably not transfere to any new service, mampping might be easier as it has less metadata about the individual user ( thst efects their experience of the service)
 
It looks like a Childs tablet. A good OS in a vehicle will change anyone's mind. I've been without CarPlay for about 18 months, don't miss it at all.
One of the biggest pros of CarPlay is that you have the same setup, same voice commands, same exact experience in every vehicle. You carry your vehicle interface with you. It doesn't change when you drive your other family car, rental car, dealership loaner, etc.
 
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