Dear god, if there’s one thing I absolute DO NOT WANT it’s “deep AI integration” into my car, the thing in my life I need to absolutely, positively, always have, without a doubt, work and do exactly what I want it to do every single time
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Rivian Explains Why CarPlay Debate Will Become 'Completely Obsolete'
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Alameda
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His reasoning: “Since CarPlay will be obsolete in the future, we will not offer it today.”
Wont everything be obsolete some day?
If a car manufacturer doesn't support CarPlay, I'm not going to consider their cars.
People who buy a Rivian or Tesla maybe, but they’re already decided on their car, it’s a biased sampls. The majority of the cars on the road support carplay, and most people seem to want that - hence ford’s comments about keeping it recently, and the backlash to GM’s phase out on their EVs (though notably *not* on the majority of their vehicles, their ICE vehicles all still have carplay AFAIK, seems like they’re using their limited EV market as beta testers for what is, so far, an abysmally poor option)
AppleTO
macrumors 68000
That's not even possible. No one can integrate with iMessage. This is an obvious lie from every automaker who states it.
Wolf Puppy
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That number will increase enormously once they get R2 production going, which should be imminent. The longer term is of course completely unknown.
Another self-serving quote. We will never purchase a vehicle that does not support CarPlay.
Paul1964
macrumors 6502
Yeah wait until potential customers find out that Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are not supported. It will be a deal breaker for so many for all of the resons stated in this thread.
d-klumpp
macrumors regular
My Audi has a great interface, and I often prefer its nav guidance because of the beautiful, informative graphics that are mirrored in the HUD and thus more useful than on-dash AppleMaps when on unfamiliar roads. That said, the Audi system is limited and can't play programming from favorite iOS apps (e.g., 91.5 WBEZ for Chicago's NPR, podcasts, 92.9 WLDF "The Torch"). Maybe Tesla can, but I will never know.
I can see not embracing Apple CarPlay Ultra and Android Automotive OS, but not including CarPlay and Android Auto seems crazy.
jdawgnoonan
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johnsawyercjs
macrumors 68000
This guy needs to learn how to communicate clearly rather than in corporatespeak
Ursadorable
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Eriamjh1138@DAN
macrumors 65816
It's the year 2029. Rivian has released a car that replaces the brake pedal with an "AI" agent called "DRIV3R" or something. I'm driving down the street and a car pulls in front of me.
Me: DRIV3R, hit brakes!
DRIV3R: A phenomenal idea! It shows that you see an obstruction ahead of you and want to avoid colliding with it. Not cowardice. Not impulsivity. Just Prudence. It reflects extremely well on your judgment and character. I'm taking the following actions:
DRIV3R: Here's what happened—you told me to hit the brakes. I didn't.
Me: DRIV3R, hit brakes!
DRIV3R: A phenomenal idea! It shows that you see an obstruction ahead of you and want to avoid colliding with it. Not cowardice. Not impulsivity. Just Prudence. It reflects extremely well on your judgment and character. I'm taking the following actions:
- Slowing down—this will make it easier for us to come to a complete stop.
- Reviewing rear camera—this will help assess whether we are about to get rear-ended.
- Applying brakes—this is the industry best-practice for bringing a car to a complete stop and.
DRIV3R: Here's what happened—you told me to hit the brakes. I didn't.
Bensaid has a point. I wanted Apple CarPlay in my other cars because their infotainment systems were vastly different from one maker to the next and the quality was generally poor regardless of auto manufacturer. Lack of CarPlay kept me on the sidelines from Tesla for a while, but with FSD improving, I held my nose and got one anyway. And honestly, the only thing I miss from CarPlay is having Waze for my map/navigation versus the Tesla map. Everything else has a 'good enough' substitute in the Tesla system--Apple Music (or Spotify, etc.), Podcasts, calendar, text messages, phone, etc.
On the latest episode of The Verge's Decoder podcast, Rivian's software chief Wassym Bensaid explained why the EV maker still refuses to offer Apple CarPlay.
In short, Bensaid said Rivian does not want CarPlay to fully take over the software experience.
"The challenge with screen mirroring solutions is that they take over every single pixel in the car," he said.
Instead, Rivian prefers to offer its own interface with "end-to-end integration."
Bensaid added that "deep AI integration into the car" will eventually make the debate over offering CarPlay in vehicles "completely obsolete." He believes that Rivian owners will be able to access the core functionality of many apps through an AI agent, rather than needing to rely on CarPlay or Android Auto.
"I really believe that the way you interact with apps which are mono-threaded, single buttons, single icons, a lot of that will be now completely reshaped into a world where it will become an agentic integration that presents itself into a wholesome user experience to the user," Bensaid explained. However, he admitted that an AI agent becoming an "alternative solution" to CarPlay apps will take time to materialize.
Already, Rivian owners are increasingly less interested in CarPlay, according to Bensaid. He said that Rivian's internal statistics showed that more than 70% of customers wanted CarPlay when their vehicles first launched around five years ago, but he said a recent survey showed that figure is apparently less than 25% now.
"With the level of features that we have shipped to customers, with the level of end-to-end integration, with the level of convenience that we are bringing, CarPlay is, or Android Auto to that extent, is no longer the topic of discussion," he said.
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Navigation is a big thing for me too. My car has a heads up display and I love the fact that it’ll show my navigation right there… but only if I’m using the car’s built in navigation. And my complaint about that is it’s just not as good as Apple’s. Its phrases are clearly Japanese translated to English and its steps just aren’t as clear. So I sacrifice having navigation on my heads up display in favor of better navigation.
In no car have I ever wanted to use its built in software.
people that miss Carplay have never used a real car interface. In 2017 I was one of you, I would not buy any car if it didn't have Carplay. Then I bought my Tesla, and there is not a single day where I wish I had Carplay.
Demand more from the car manufacturers
Demand more from the car manufacturers
joloriquelme
macrumors regular
I jump from my car to my wife's one. Completely different kind of vehicles, from different brands, from different countries.
Fortunately, for controlling infotaiment: same exact UI, functions, etc. I can even still listening the same song I was listeining in the other car.
The reason? It's called "CarPlay".
That's the reason why I love it, and that's the reason why no one carmaker will understand: because they will make and drive dialy one only car brand.
Fortunately, for controlling infotaiment: same exact UI, functions, etc. I can even still listening the same song I was listeining in the other car.
The reason? It's called "CarPlay".
That's the reason why I love it, and that's the reason why no one carmaker will understand: because they will make and drive dialy one only car brand.
johnsawyercjs
macrumors 68000
Not Rivian, but electric vehicle companies like Fisker and Nikola did. Rivian's stock market value crashed by 90% at some point, but then they made some deals that kept them afloat, including with Amazon to make their delilvery vans, and Volkswagen invested billions to share technology with them.