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The one in the picture isn't the last model. The new one from 2012 is even thinner and it has a larger touchpad.
you get much for your money with the rMBP over the rMB.
They look the same?
Nope, not really. That's like saying Air from 2010 looks same like rMB12.
Unless you work at the Marketing team of Apple, all your statements are wrong, or at least, not provable.What I'm saying is that the typical consumer who owns a MacBook Pro today has a form factor that is essentially the same as 2006 with its thick design, overload of ports, tons of plastic, massive weight, etc. And that's why few are buying replacements and making it look like the RMB is more popular than it actually is.
BJ
look the same ? Wow you are in denial ...I know your intent is to do the opposite, but I believe you just proved my point. These look the same to me except for the keyboard color, I suspect the average buyer would feel the same. Either way, if indeed the RMB is out-selling the MBP and the MBA right now it's because there isn't much incentive for a Pro or Air user to make another pricey buy on a replacement Pro or Air because the design hasn't changed all but subtly in almost a decade. For those into the newest/thinnest/lightest notebook either on the OSX or Windows side, the RMB is a revolutionary breakthrough.
Point being, the sales figures presently don't draw the conclusion that the RMB is a pedestrian mass product. It's a niche product, but right now the desire of the niche customers (RMB) outweigh the needs of the base (Air) and professional (Pro) customers who aren't compelled by current Pro or Air offerings and don't need the slimmest and lightest form factor.
BJ
Massive weight ? thick design ?What I'm saying is that the typical consumer who owns a MacBook Pro today has a form factor that is essentially the same as 2006 with its thick design, overload of ports, tons of plastic, massive weight, etc. And that's why few are buying replacements and making it look like the RMB is more popular than it actually is.
BJ
Unless you work at the Marketing team of Apple, all your statements are wrong, or at least, not provable.
Massive weight ? thick design ?
Mate, did you actually see a retina MacBook Pro ???
A MBP is 1,8 cm thick, while a MBA is 1,7 cm. There literally are 1 mm of difference !
A 15" MBP weights 2 kg, a 13" MBP weights just 1,5 kg while a 13" MBA weights 1,3 kg.
You seem to be a little confused about the retina MacBook Pro.....
look the same ? Wow you are in denial ...
A totally different keyboard, in shape and color.
A totally different screen lid.
A totally different touchpad, without the button.
A different lower case, with rounded corners ....
They both are made of aluminum and they both are notebooks ..........
What I'm saying is that the typical consumer who owns a MacBook Pro today has a form factor that is essentially the same as 2006 with its thick design, overload of ports, tons of plastic, massive weight, etc. And that's why few are buying replacements and making it look like the RMB is more popular than it actually is.
BJ
Yes my good man, I'll take your least powerful notebook and I demand to pay the highest price for it" is not something Mr. & Mrs. Average utter as they walk into Best Buy past the stack of $259 HP 15"ers looking for a replacement for the laptop the family uses in the kitchen.
I'm not even sure where you're going with this. Here, I'll simplify:
Article says new 12" RMB is outselling the MBP and the MBA.
Poster says that means the RMB is a popular product.
I say that the RMB looks like it's selling well but that's because the MBP and MBA are old designs.
You say that they're not and they're updated recently.
I say they still look too much like their 2006 and 2008 parents.
You think the subtle changes mean something to MBP and MBA buyers.
I say they don't, there's no reason for them to upgrade to these boxy old designs.
They are both boxy and heavy rectangles. They aren't a quantum leap like the new RMB.
BJ
well, there are thermal designs involved.They are both boxy and heavy rectangles. They aren't a quantum leap like the new RMB.
BJ
I can't see anything sexy in a Surface, and commercially it isn't a success (so I'm not alone in my thoughts).I'm sort of inline with BJ thoughts although I would not say quantum leap
But certainly there has been a lot more development on the rMB than of late on the rMBP and the MBA but you would expect this as you make things smaller/lighter etc and have to come up with smarter ways to cram it all in ie new KB keys, trackpad, teared batteries, combined speakers and aerials etc
Some of these are already trickling in to the MBP's etc will we see more and a move streamlined MBP in the future, I expect so and those anticipating greater things in 2016 may well be sitting on the fence for now, therefore it would not be unreasonable to assume the rMB sales appear better for the short term whilst we wait for other Mac Laptops to evolve to the next generation including possible new colour choices
IMO Apple need to upstage the sexy appeal of the Surface range and they are not going to do that with the current MBP/MBA footprints, they will have to compete very cleverly as they will not be adopting 2-1 or touch
I know your intent is to do the opposite, but I believe you just proved my point. These look the same to me except for the keyboard color, I suspect the average buyer would feel the same. Either way, if indeed the RMB is out-selling the MBP and the MBA right now it's because there isn't much incentive for a Pro or Air user to make another pricey buy on a replacement Pro or Air because the design hasn't changed all but subtly in almost a decade. For those into the newest/thinnest/lightest notebook either on the OSX or Windows side, the RMB is a revolutionary breakthrough.
Point being, the sales figures presently don't draw the conclusion that the RMB is a pedestrian mass product. It's a niche product, but right now the desire of the niche customers (RMB) outweigh the needs of the base (Air) and professional (Pro) customers who aren't compelled by current Pro or Air offerings and don't need the slimmest and lightest form factor.
BJ
Apple are progressively moving the Mac to a mainstream consumer products, ever looking to increase the volume of sales. For 2016 I fully expect a significant redesign of the rMBP, to further align with this trend. The form factor of the rMB is likely to heavily influence the next generation of rMBP, this much is given.
well, there are thermal designs involved.
the MacBook is cool, but you can't fit proper hardware in such a design.
A MacBook Pro can't be so thin and light.
There could be convergence between MBA an MB: just add a second USB-C and make a 14" version and get rid of MBA lineup (not something I'd like, because the MacBook Air uses a better CPU).
I can't see anything sexy in a Surface, and commercially it isn't a success (so I'm not alone in my thoughts).
Apple could, and I think they are going to, redesign the MacBook Pro. Make it thinner and lighter, add the three colors option and so on .... But they won't completely depart from current idea.
No touch screen and no "2-in-1" concept on OS X .... fortunately I'd add.
Half baked solutions aren't my favorites .....
Unless you work at the Marketing team of Apple, all your statements are wrong, or at least, not provable.
Exactly, you've proved my point. You've got no reliable data to support your opinion.Discussion forum. Place for opinions. Those are mine.
BJ
Macs are growing in a falling market.I'm not sure how you are measuring success but I would guess using the same stick OSX would be a complete failure
The few figures I have seen reliable of not put last years SP3 at about 1/6th of Mac laptops sales and now they have 2 products with exciting futures.
I'm sorry you don't like the WOW factor of the surface range even if it does not suit your requirements at least the rMB competes by being svelte in the 1st visual/kerb appeal respects
The Vaio Canvas is already showing what can be crammed in a 12" foot print with Apples might I'm sure they could do better especially with no touch or pen to worry about
Sorry but I think the 2016 line up needs to add some sex/oomph other than just Skylake upgrades
I have a better idea of who you are now, what kind of customer you represent.
"Best value for the money", "My previous cheap HP laptop", "Good value", "terrific value", "Back to School offer", "education discount", "free warranty", "sold the free Beats headphones", already planning your eBay sale when the time comes to maximize what its worth.
Props for your ingenuity and finding a way to game the system and get the world's least expensive RMB, but clearly you're not the target audience for this niche machine. If my 17 year old son parked cars and fished loose change off of subway tracks all summer to buy a used Mercedes it doesn't mean he's a Mercedes owner, but it would explain why he thinks he was.
BJ
Exactly, you've proved my point. You've got no reliable data to support your opinion.
Maybe I don't understand Mrs and Mr Average, but why would you gravitate to a laptop for a kitchen computer? Why not something that would withstand the occasional boiling hot drop of of spaghetti sauce?
I'm sort of inline with BJ thoughts although I would not say quantum leap
But certainly there has been a lot more development on the rMB than of late on the rMBP and the MBA but you would expect this as you make things smaller/lighter etc and have to come up with smarter ways to cram it all in ie new KB keys, trackpad, teared batteries, combined speakers and aerials etc
well, there are thermal designs involved.
the MacBook is cool, but you can't fit proper hardware in such a design.
A MacBook Pro can't be so thin and light.
There could be convergence between MBA an MB: just add a second USB-C and make a 14" version and get rid of MBA lineup (not something I'd like, because the MacBook Air uses a better CPU).
Say what? So you somehow figured out your own way to categorize the different product categories true customers? wtf man...
I foresee the same thing, a redesign,that is thinner, less ports and apple's continuing trend of sealing the computer. There's not much else they can do with it, at this point since the computer sector has matured to such a point there's just little room for any new radical designs.
I can't see anything sexy in a Surface, and commercially it isn't a success (so I'm not alone in my thoughts).