that analysis is totally unconfirmed and doesn't even take in account the Apple Store ...
Last quarter analysis said a completely different thing:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/22/9599674/microsoft-q1-2016-earnings
Let see next quarter.
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Last quarter analysis said a completely different thing:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/22/9599674/microsoft-q1-2016-earnings
Let see next quarter.
Even if Apple did sell more iPads through the Apple Store, beating MS for tablets sold, it still runs counter to your statement that the Surface line isn't successful. They're selling, and at a decent pace.
They are, I was at a conference last year and I saw a lot of Surface Pros, and I see them fairly often else where as I work and commute. I'm not saying they're outselling Apple's stuff but the success of the Surface Pro certainly motivated Apple to make the iPad Pro.
I'm waiting for the next quarter report to judge it ....
I'm not seeing Surface going mainstream like an iPad.
I've actually seen a lot around as well, but also seen a quite many who, after initial use of what seems like a great thought and concept, changed it to a normal Win-laptop or a MacBook Air... Because really in the long run all they used it as, was a laptop. And if that's the case - buy a great laptop..
Doesn't surprise me at all. it's tiny, light, powerful-enough, and has solid battery life. For me, it's the ideal mobile computer. It's so mobile and light that it's pretty much eliminated my need for a tablet. And for some with lighter needs, like my woman, it's perfect as their only computer. And yes, we now have two rMBs in the family.
It also doesn't suppose me that the venerable rMPB is 2nd. If I could only have one Mac, that would be it.
It also doesn't suppose me that the venerable rMPB is 2nd. If I could only have one Mac, that would be it.
I'm happy with my SP3. I think its a handy little computer and I've had it almost a year with no plans on getting rid of it.
We could equally say the same for the IPP
IPP, SP4, rMB are not aimed as mass consumption products like Ipad or other tablets
I agree about the iPad Pro.
But I still think they are going to sell more iPad Pro than SP4 (just an educated guess on my part, I'm not an analyst)
While I think the IPP may not be right for most consumers, Cook's words do state they're trying to get mass appeal for it, and I will say the Surface Pro while pricey has been popular, so I'm not so sure that statement is spot on. I mean they're spending a lot of money to outfit the NFL, and what not with Surface tablets.
I don't disagree, it's as always with our wild speculations any one could be right or wrong
It's currently hard to imagine the IPP ever being as popular as the Ipad given the Ipad has far more mass appeal price and size wise compared to the IPP
I don't disagree, though Apple would like to see it be embraced by the masses, but I think there's too many factors prohibiting that.
Possibly, a bit of a tough call, maybe more interesting guess would be what others are losing out to the IPP or SP4 ?
Personally, the iPP kind of feels like the Tablet jumping the shark. It's big, awkward, and doesn't yet have an OS or apps to suit its form-factor. I know that there are some use cases where it's the cat's meow, but I think those are few and far-between.
And then there's the rMB which, when placed next to the iPP, is so much more portable and easier to handle. It probably performs well enough as a laptop for 80%+ users, and is especially well-suited for the role of a 2nd system, for those of us with a beefier laptop or desktop as w workhorse. Really, what's not to love with this little rMB?
Whereas the iPP feels like the iPad jumping the shark (A solution looking for a problem), the rMB feels like laptop 2.0 (A solution redefined).
No surprise at the success of the rMP. When I first got my woman one, I turned up my nose at it, as if it were a toy. But I just couldn't keep myself from stealing it, so I wound up getting one too. What's not to love about this little thing?
And then there's the rMB which, when placed next to the iPP, is so much more portable and easier to handle. It probably performs well enough as a laptop for 80%+ users, and is especially well-suited for the role of a 2nd system, for those of us with a beefier laptop or desktop as w workhorse. Really, what's not to love with this little rMB?
Whereas the iPP feels like the iPad jumping the shark (A solution looking for a problem), the rMB feels like laptop 2.0 (A solution redefined).
No surprise at the success of the rMP. When I first got my woman one, I turned up my nose at it, as if it were a toy. But I just couldn't keep myself from stealing it, so I wound up getting one too. What's not to love about this little thing?
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Couldn't agree more. The iPad Pro is not easy to hold and it's keyboard isn't friendly for serious typing. It's really a compromised Tablet and a weak Notebook. For very specific use-cases, like graphic artists, the bigger surface and pencil can be very productive. But outside of that? I'm not replacing my iPad or my RMB for this attempt at a 'hybrid'.
The iPad and RMB may be a bit more difficult to carry individually but I see no reason to step backwards with a compromise product; the IPP that isn't great at being either a Tablet or a Notebook.
BJ
Others ? Do you really think there are any credibly "others" on the market ?
Do you mean the crowd of unfinished crappy Android tablets ?
Lol, iPad and Surface.... my list of tablets ends there.
The Surface is quite popular among tech geeks, not so much among common people.
The iPad is quite popular among common people , not so much among tech geeks (to some extent).
The iPad Pro is a somewhat niche product, not for everyone. And it is quite pricey for a tablet (same reason why the Surface isn't so popular).
I don't own an iPad Pro, so I can't really comment on how easy to hold it really is.
But I tried the keyboard quite extensively and I find it more then suitable even for serious typing.
Both the IPP and the SP4 are suppose to replace your laptop, it's to these other laptop devices I am referring to who is going to loose out and nothing to do with other tablets
Marketing declarations are one thing, my real needs are another
My laptop is a MacBook Pro, and it isn't going anywhere in the next future.
Marketing declarations are one thing, my real needs are another
My laptop is a MacBook Pro, and it isn't going anywhere in the next future.
Nothing to do with personal pref's
If Apple and MS consider the IPP or the SP4 to be laptop replacements it seems more likely that people would be sizing down from laptops than others going up from lessor tablets
Someone has to loose out
Will more Apple users down grade or switch to windows SP4 to get 2 in ones than Windows users is my point of speculation ie who's going to get the most converts ?
For my mobile needs, the SP3 has largely replaced my MBP, I find it lighter, smaller and easier to travel with. Basically I'm traveling with a tablet that has the features and abilities of a laptop. The only downside I consider is that my MBP is 15" and the SP is 12. But other then the display size, I prefer my SP3
Tim Cook said that FOR MANY (a word that doesn't mean everyone) the iPad Pro can replace a laptop.Nothing to do with personal pref's
If Apple and MS consider the IPP or the SP4 to be laptop replacements it seems more likely that people would be sizing down from laptops than others going up from lessor tablets
Someone has to loose out
Will more Apple users down grade or switch to windows SP4 to get 2 in ones than Windows users is my point of speculation ie who's going to get the most converts ?
On the Apple site I don't see anywhere a reference to that. The iPad isn't advertised as a notebook replacement.
Yes, it could be for some. Surely not for all of us.
If TC word is not good enough for you and you need it in black and white on the Apple web site that's up to you
“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,”
None of my previous comments included the phrasing your suggesting or seem to be countering
The bottom line is someone has to loose on these possible down sizing and if TC vision becomes true and the IPP becomes mainstream is Mac's more likely to suffer than other Widows products is where I am trying to speculate on
Again, MANY are not everyone.If TC word is not good enough for you and you need it in black and white on the Apple web site that's up to you
“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,”
None of my previous comments included the phrasing your suggesting or seem to be countering
The bottom line is someone has to loose on these possible down sizing and if TC vision becomes true and the IPP becomes mainstream is Mac's more likely to suffer than other Widows products is where I am trying to speculate on
Again who's going to loose ?, you seem to be missing the point here
The many have to come from somewhere
The iPad Pro is going to bomb. It's too uncomfortable to use as an iPad and too lethargic to use as a MacBook. I appreciate Mr. Cook's hype-track, but it's not going to work. It'll be a niche product for the Creative industry and those who prefer to scribble on a tablet instead of a whiteboard, but nothing more.
BJ